AFLW 2024 - Round 9 - Indigenous Round - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Carlton are in full rebuild mode. They won't be giving up first round picks, especially picks in the top 3 and extra especially for Clarke and Croz. They're shopping players like Kruzer to increase the amount of early picks they have so they can rebuild the list.
Yes Carltank are in rebuild mode. But that does not mean that they will not be trading players in. Kruzer is out we know, but there are a number of reasons that this makes sense. However there are no young rucks at Carltank and Warnock only plays 1 game in 3 so a ruck is required. In this vein Clarke is an upgrade on Keuzer for the following reasons. Comes with a winning culture (Freo's), is the same age or younger, has been a good primary ruck previously, and just to reinforce the need for a culture change at the blues he has never had off field issues.
All true, except Kreuzer is both a superior first ruck and forward. There's only a year between them age wise. So, why would Carlton trade out a superior ruckman, with a similar age profile to Clarke in order to gain a first round pick, only to trade a first rounder for an inferior replacement? Sure, they'll bring guys in, but they won't be giving away early picks. If they're doing a full rebuild it makes more sense to bring in a younger ruck and develop him.
The only reason Kruezer will leave is if they decide that they're better off going the full rebuild and will benefit from the compo pick. Besides, they have far more pressing issues than worrying about their ruck. They need mids, KPFs and KPDs. No point worrying about hitouts if you've got a bunch of kids running around who won't be able to consistently make good use of those taps.
I'm not saying that 1st pick and Clarke wouldn't be a decent offer, but neither GWS or Freo should do that deal. GWS will say it's unders. It's always interesting to see how different clubs value picks at the end of the draft. Freo will have pick 18 (ish) which is another opportunity to add some quality to the list. (Milera, Ah Chee, Wiedman, Oliver should all be around the mark) Give up that pick and or first selection is in the late 30s. Clarke is a 203cm ruckman who can go forward. They don't grow on trees. McCarthy would be awesome, but could you go and get Jarrod Grant as a free agent, keep your first pick and Clarke. Freo would still have Taberner, Apeness, Clarke and Grant as forward talls - and add some talent in the draft. I guess that's what Bondy's paid to decide.
Fair call. I disagree. GWS absolutely, positively need a second ruck as much as we need a ready to go tall forward. To me it makes sense for both clubs. We might be giving up our first pick but we'd (I at least assume) be targeting a tall anyway, not running types like Ah Chee. The other option is keep Clarke, our pick and take Shultz with a late or PSD and Mason Shaw as a Rookie. Apeness, and Shaw however, haven't shown much, mainly due to injury and Tabs is still developing and we have no idea if/when he'll take the next step. We are desperate for tall forwards. McCarthy should be our focus, IMO.
I just had a look outside and I can see a few tall ruckmen in the tree. They aren't very good but that variety do grow on trees. It's the good ones that are no where to be seen. Sort of like Key forwards.
Kreuzer is not a top line ruckman and has been beaten all year . He has a poor record for injuries as well which is why Collingwood have gone cold on his recruitment . Carlton IMHO would welcome Clarke since he would be a better choice than Luemburger (sorry for the spelling) who is also looking for greener fields.
Nowhere near good enough to even start a conversation. This thread is starting to make us look stupid as a supporter group.
I thought that Kreuzer wants out and Carlton doesn't get the option to keep him. Point 1
The conversation started because it was initially proposed that Carlton would need a kruezer replacement and that Clarke would draw a first round pick. Thus, my disagreement with the OP that, that was very unlikely.
