Traded Cameron McCarthy [traded to Fremantle with picks 7, 33 and 71 for pick 3]

[Kram]

You cant be that stupid.

At no stage have we forced him to sit out 1 to 2 years.

Fmd.

GWS are playing in a PF tomorrow night and you are still obsessing about this guy

 

[Colonial]

GWS are playing in a PF tomorrow night and you are still obsessing about this guy

I got qouted. I replied to the qoute. No obsession here.

 

[Andy Brennan]

You cant be that stupid.

At no stage have we forced him to sit out 1 to 2 years.

Fmd.

You could have traded him or delisted him when he said he wasn't playing for the giants again. He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there. You dug in because you didn't want to look like idiots again after the Boyd fiasco. You did anyway because you rejected an offer knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2016 because you thought you could get more for him. In hindsight that deal would have been way over his value, thank God you were too stubborn to take it!

He won't be forced to sit out again, you're right. He'll be traded for a bag of chips, not because he's had a year out or question marks over his ability to live the afl life, but because if your club digs in again you'll look like total w***ers. The aflpa would probably also get pretty atrophy about it.

The coach was in the media saying cam loves GWS when he made it clear he wanted out.
Shit even a few weeks ago someone from the club was saying that they hope cam stays even if it's only a 1% chance. What's the point of making that noise in the media unless you're trying to pressure him to stay/stay longer?

 

[Andy Brennan]

I got qouted. I replied to the qoute. No obsession here.

You weren't quoted when you posted the gif, what's your excuse there?

 

[Colonial]

You weren't quoted when you posted the gif, what's your excuse there?

That deserved a gif.

 

[Colonial]

You could have traded him or delisted him when he said he wasn't playing for the giants again. He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there. You dug in because you didn't want to look like idiots again after the Boyd fiasco. You did anyway because you rejected an offer knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2016 because you thought you could get more for him. In hindsight that deal would have been way over his value, thank God you were too stubborn to take it!

He won't be forced to sit out again, you're right. He'll be traded for a bag of chips, not because he's had a year out or question marks over his ability to live the afl life, but because if your club digs in again you'll look like total ******s. The aflpa would probably also get pretty atrophy about it.

The coach was in the media saying cam loves GWS when he made it clear he wanted out.
Shit even a few weeks ago someone from the club was saying that they hope cam stays even if it's only a 1% chance. What's the point of making that noise in the media unless you're trying to pressure him to stay/stay longer?

He didnt ever say that until after the preseason when he went home.

Rest of your post is just

 

[dlanod]

You could have traded him or delisted him when he said he wasn't playing for the giants again. He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there.

Where did Cam say he wasn't playing for the Giants again prior to the completion of last year's trade period?

If you think he did say that, why did he come back to Sydney for the start of pre-season?

 

[SnowRoo]

You could have traded him or delisted him when he said he wasn't playing for the giants again. He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there. You dug in because you didn't want to look like idiots again after the Boyd fiasco. You did anyway because you rejected an offer knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2016 because you thought you could get more for him. In hindsight that deal would have been way over his value, thank God you were too stubborn to take it!

He won't be forced to sit out again, you're right. He'll be traded for a bag of chips, not because he's had a year out or question marks over his ability to live the afl life, but because if your club digs in again you'll look like total ******s. The aflpa would probably also get pretty atrophy about it.

The coach was in the media saying cam loves GWS when he made it clear he wanted out.
Shit even a few weeks ago someone from the club was saying that they hope cam stays even if it's only a 1% chance. What's the point of making that noise in the media unless you're trying to pressure him to stay/stay longer?

Can see GWS wanting a low 1st, can see Freo offering a 3rd.

Mediation may settle it on 2017 2nd. End result GWS have banked a pick for a few years for maybe a 10 pick drop. Not so bad.

Then onto the next 7 gamer dictating terms in Marchbank.

 

[Moo]

So you're saying forcing a player to sit out 1-2 years rather than trade them ISNT dickhead behaviour?

To be fair it was 1 year and they obviously thought they were some chance to get him back & playing.

There is not a chance that this deal does not get done for the sake of all 3 parties.

 

[Moo]

If you think he did say that, why did he come back to Sydney for the start of pre-season?

To say goodbye?

 

[Darcy 2 Fyfe]

GWS are playing in a PF tomorrow night and you are still obsessing about this guy

A victory that is earned is far more character building than one that is gifted. Go the dogs!

 

[Andy Brennan]

Where did Cam say he wasn't playing for the Giants again prior to the completion of last year's trade period?

If you think he did say that, why did he come back to Sydney for the start of pre-season?

You think the club wouldn't have known something was up? He said send me to freo and they just said lol no and they had no idea he wasn't struggling mentally? They'd have to be pretty daft for that to happen.

For preseason he probably resigned himself to being at the giants another year, rocked up in an attempt to keep going since had had no choice. Clearly he couldn't cope since he dropped out.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Can see GWS wanting a low 1st, can see Freo offering a 3rd.

Mediation may settle it on 2017 2nd. End result GWS have banked a pick for a few years for maybe a 10 pick drop. Not so bad.

Then onto the next 7 gamer dictating terms in Marchbank.

It might not be a huge drop in value but it's not a good look from a player management perspective. He's been living in Perth all year and they're still in the media talking about their chances of keeping him and how much they want him.

Anywy GWS are not a 'normal' club, if they want to have all these concessions and all the best kids in the country they've got to accept some will leave. Strangely enough they've been pretty nice about trading most of them, especially to their old mate silvagni at Carlton. For some reason not with cam.

 

[Andy Brennan]

He didnt ever say that until after the preseason when he went home.

Rest of your post is just

So what you're saying is the club can't manage their players and didn't have any idea he was struggling?

And anyway saying plz trad me is kind of the polite way of saying you don't want to be there.

 

[dlanod]

You think the club wouldn't have known something was up? He said send me to freo and they just said lol no and they had no idea he wasn't struggling mentally? They'd have to be pretty daft for that to happen.

Except that's not what you claimed. "He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there. ... You did anyway because you rejected an offer knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2016 because you thought you could get more for him." That's your unambiguous claim. If you're choosing to back away from it, that's fine - I don't believe there's any evidence for that either. Yep, he wanted to be traded but there was no indication he was going to sit out a year.

For preseason he probably resigned himself to being at the giants another year, rocked up in an attempt to keep going since had had no choice. Clearly he couldn't cope since he dropped out.

No disagreement there.

 

[apuchar]

It might not be a huge drop in value but it's not a good look from a player management perspective. He's been living in Perth all year and they're still in the media talking about their chances of keeping him and how much they want him.

Anywy GWS are not a 'normal' club, if they want to have all these concessions and all the best kids in the country they've got to accept some will leave. Strangely enough they've been pretty nice about trading most of them, especially to their old mate silvagni at Carlton. For some reason not with cam.

yeah, its a bit like a playboy who obsesses over the only person who doesn't want him.

 

[Colonial]

So what you're saying is the club can't manage their players and didn't have any idea he was struggling?

And anyway saying plz trad me is kind of the polite way of saying you don't want to be there.

Im saying he came back to play this year.

He sat himself out during pre-season.

This has all been hashed out over the many pages in this thread and im done with it

I know youre bored this spring so read through it. Its interesting, funny and sad. A true epic.

Done with his thread till after finals.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Except that's not what you claimed. "He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there." That's your unambiguous claim. If you're choosing to back away from it, that's fine - I don't believe there's any evidence for that either. Yep, he wanted to be traded but there was no indication he was going to sit out a year.



No disagreement there.

No he didn't say it directly, I'll cop that but there must have been some red flags the giants either failed to see or ignored.

 

[Saint]

Dude you have it all wrong.
This wasnt a win for GWS. It has backfired big time. They have cost themselves and I 100% guarentee you if they had their time again they would take the deal. It was actually Cam that taught GWS a lesson. He warned them he would not play if they didnt trade him, and he didnt.
He was had a year off, at full pay, and will get to Freo this year for peanuts.
Every kid looking for a trade out of GWS will feel more confident now that GWS will let them leave based on what happened with Cam.

Everybody lost, not just GWS. McCarthy misses a whole year of AFL in a career of just 10 years, that's a big chunk. It will cost him future earnings (not worth as much as he would be had he played) plus experience. It wouldn't have calmed his mental demons at all and Freo still had nothing and will be getting a less experienced player than they would otherwise have got.

Nobody wins. The only difference is that had GWS done the trade, they would be put in this place repeatedly every year. At least now GWS players will think hard about signing contract extensions.

The biggest failure here was McCarthy's player manager, you'd assume he's been sacked. I'm tipping he told McCarthy to sign the extension knowing he wasn't entirely happy, but probably advised the kid that GWS would just 'let him go' if he wanted to anyway. He's done serious damage to his client's career and life.

 

[Andy Brennan]

Im saying he came back to play this year.

He sat himself out during pre-season.

This has all been hashed out over the many pages in this thread and im done with it

I know youre bored this spring so read through it. Its interesting, funny and sad. A true epic.

Done with his thread till after finals.

I've got a lot to this spring thank you, like debating whether brad Hill is a superstar or an ok player in a good team, trying to understand why mick Barlow is being let go and watching the wafc nerf the alignment model after peel wins the wafl premiership!

 

[Bender571]

You could have traded him or delisted him when he said he wasn't playing for the giants again. He said he didn't want to play for GWS and there was an offer there. You dug in because you didn't want to look like idiots again after the Boyd fiasco. You did anyway because you rejected an offer knowing he wouldn't be playing in 2016 because you thought you could get more for him. In hindsight that deal would have been way over his value, thank God you were too stubborn to take it!

He won't be forced to sit out again, you're right. He'll be traded for a bag of chips, not because he's had a year out or question marks over his ability to live the afl life, but because if your club digs in again you'll look like total ******s. The aflpa would probably also get pretty atrophy about it.

The coach was in the media saying cam loves GWS when he made it clear he wanted out.
Shit even a few weeks ago someone from the club was saying that they hope cam stays even if it's only a 1% chance. What's the point of making that noise in the media unless you're trying to pressure him to stay/stay longer?

I don't agree with how GWS handled the situation, but I don't think the bolded is correct.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...06729e3d8?sv=d42471bc7fb49595d85cb6f1b8e569b5

CAMERON McCarthy has pledged to leave western Sydney as soon as the 2016 season ends — but is adamant he will play his heart out next year.

“One GWS official told me yesterday that it didn’t matter what Fremantle gave up, the (Tom) Boyd deal hurt them and they couldn’t let another player leave.

“He is a required player and Leon has come out and said he’s a star. He says Cam is in their starting 22 so if they don’t play him it won’t look good for them.

“It would look really bad, so he loves playing footy. He just doesn’t want to play footy in Sydney."

 

[Andy Brennan]

Everybody lost, not just GWS. McCarthy misses a whole year of AFL in a career of just 10 years, that's a big chunk. It will cost him future earnings (not worth as much as he would be had he played) plus experience. It wouldn't have calmed his mental demons at all and Freo still had nothing and will be getting a less experienced player than they would otherwise have got.

Nobody wins. The only difference is that had GWS done the trade, they would be put in this place repeatedly every year. At least now GWS players will think hard about signing contract extensions.

The biggest failure here was McCarthy's player manager, you'd assume he's been sacked. I'm tipping he told McCarthy to sign the extension knowing he wasn't entirely happy, but probably advised the kid that GWS would just 'let him go' if he wanted to anyway. He's done serious damage to his client's career and life.

Lol his manager is Colin young, scummiest campaigner out there and still going strong

 

[apuchar]

I don't agree with how GWS handled the situation, but I don't think the bolded is correct.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...06729e3d8?sv=d42471bc7fb49595d85cb6f1b8e569b5

He didn't have much choice. It was either that or sit out. Sitting out for a year is almost unthinkable.

 

[dlanod]

He didn't have much choice. It was either that or sit out. Sitting out for a year is was almost unthinkable.

FTFY.

 

[beowulf]

Everybody lost, not just GWS. McCarthy misses a whole year of AFL in a career of just 10 years, that's a big chunk. It will cost him future earnings (not worth as much as he would be had he played) plus experience. It wouldn't have calmed his mental demons at all and Freo still had nothing and will be getting a less experienced player than they would otherwise have got.

Nobody wins. The only difference is that had GWS done the trade, they would be put in this place repeatedly every year. At least now GWS players will think hard about signing contract extensions.

The biggest failure here was McCarthy's player manager, you'd assume he's been sacked. I'm tipping he told McCarthy to sign the extension knowing he wasn't entirely happy, but probably advised the kid that GWS would just 'let him go' if he wanted to anyway. He's done serious damage to his client's career and life.

GWS wanted badly to be seen as 'tough' last year. They felt they had no choice. It soured a couple of other trades that they were willing to do: the Tomlinson to Carlton trade comes to mind.
But, like Saint, I cannot see anyone coming out of this one a winner. It is just that some will lose more than others.
If I were McCarthy, and I had NOT replaced my management, I would do so ASAP. They read everything wrong and hurt the player they are paid to look after, not to mention their own pockets. With some clearer thinking and some better negotiating, both sides could have salvaged something worthwhile and been, well, not happy, but much less unhappy.