Can Ball say no to Melbourne?

[SaintsSeptember]

Any team that reached a Preliminary Final with such a young list can absolutely expect further improvement from within and consider themselves a premiership contender for the following season.
EXAMPLE - HAWTHORN 2008

Geelong, St.Kilda and Western Bulldogs are much older and more experienced, but Collingwood definitely has more potential improvement than those three teams. The Collingwood VFL team also reached the Preliminary Final last season, and there is no doubt that has improved depth as well.It's not reality at all because it's definitely better than that, and only St.Kilda and Geelong had more All-Australian representatives in 2009, while Collingwood's best player (Scott Pendlebury) wasn't one of them

Luke Ball believes that Collingwood is good enough to seriously challenge for next seasons premiership, and that is one of the main reasons that he only wanted to be traded to Collingwood in the first place. IS THIS A FACT OR YOUR OPINION?

His opinion means much than some faceless blogger that barracks for Melbourne of course.
SO YOUR OPINION (GUESS) OF LUKES OPINION MEANS MORE THAN ANOTHER FACELESS BLOGGERS OPINION?

Maybe if you say it again, you may actually talk yourself into believing it. He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, ( THOSE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD AGAIN ) it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood.That's not right.
It was Chris Connolly who said that, but he is wrong of course
OF COURSE - BECAUSE KISS STEFANO SAID SO
as has been explained previously. He is the bloody footy manager of Melbourne for goodness sake!
HA HA BUT WE BELIEVE ANY LITTLE SNIPPET THAT COMES OUT OF THE MANHATTEN MAGPIES
He doesn't have any say over that! He's simply trying to threaten Luke Ball, and I have no doubt that is more likely to put him off of course. If he enters the National Draft and states that he has an agreement with a certain club, then no other club will select him of course.Regarding what exactly? Collingwood agreed to St.Kilda's request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, but they changed their mind, so please elaborate on what you're referring to. Are you making it up?

Dear oh dear!

 

[Squizz]

Maybe KissTroll will get some more inside word from the "Pink Magpies" supporter group. They normally have their end in different things.

A clandestine meeting with Joffa Corfe is being negotiated to ensure she has her facts straight.

 

[Squizz]

Any team that reached a Preliminary Final with such a young list

And here I was thinking the prelim team included :
Presti - 9th in B&F - 31yo
Rocca - 32yo
Davis - All-Australian, 8th in B&F - 28yo
Medhurst - 4th in goalkicking for 2009 - 28yo in December
Lockyer - 7th in B&F - 30yo this month
Brown - 28yo in Feb
O'Bree - 10th in B&F - 31yo in March
Johnson - 28yo
Fraser - 28yo in January

Got no problem wth Collingwood's list until KissTroll starts spewing diatribe about the "youth".

Two draft picks have gone on Jolly who is 28yo next month.

 

[Deefolt]

He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood


Collingwood agreed to St.Kilda's request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, but they changed their mind, so please elaborate on what you're referring to. Are you making it up?

Okay firstly i want it written here KissStephanie if you are wrong about Ball coming to Melbourne then you can never post on the AFL board again, is that a deal? You seem pretty certain

But unless you spoke to him directly (which i doubt) this is a 2nd hand source (at best), so how can you be so sure?

Secondly grow up, you are the only one saying that St Kilda changed their mind. Or the way you are trying to phrase it, straight away.
When Collingwood came back, they were obviously panicking as there wasnt much time left of trade week. The issue is that St. Kilda wasnt dumb, if collingwood really wanted him they should pay what he deserves.

This has been said countless times, by everyone but you, the question was put to Collingwood by Tuesday and not responded to either later thursday or Friday. Sooo you can continue through this uphill battle to convince everyone else, or you can move on from saying St. Kilda changed their mind. Read the facts, you seem to have endless sources

 

[Deefolt]

The Collingwood VFL team also reached the Preliminary Final last season, and there is no doubt that has improved depth as well. What a funny comment, you do realise that if Casey had in fact any players who play in Melbournes seniors we would have gone a far far way, one of the reasons why Casey coach left. Luke Ball believes that Collingwood is good enough to seriously challenge for next seasons premiership, and that is one of the main reasons that he only wanted to be traded to Collingwood in the first place. In what you believe His opinion means much than some faceless blogger that barracks for Melbourne of course. Also your opinion and this is indeed what most of this, YOUR opinion, not Luke Balls, yours. Maybe if you say it again, you may actually talk yourself into believing it. Wow that is something i was thinking of you That's not right. It was Chris Connolly who said that, but he is wrong of course as has been explained previously. Just because it is your opinion doesnt mean it is factual He is the bloody footy manager of Melbourne for goodness sake! He doesn't have any say over that! He's simply trying to threaten Luke Ball, and I have no doubt that is more likely to put him off of course. Well he does have say, he can tell prenderghast to pick ball up with pick 18, and that has been tossed around If he enters the National Draft and states that he has an agreement with a certain club, then no other club will select him of course. Oh of course... wait this is draft tampering, if a club has a deal with a player before drafting it is draft tampering so please elaborate on what you're referring to. Are you making it up? Ask yourself the same question about most of the crap you have spilled on this thread

quoted for enquiry

 

[demon48]

Perhaps Luke Ball should have a meeting with Collingwood's next coach and ask him whether it's a good idea to go to Collingwood to be "in a premiership team".

But Ball would look good playing on the same team as Cox, Dick, Goldsack, Sidebottom and Wood.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

And here I was thinking the prelim team included :
Presti - 9th in B&F - 31yo
Rocca - 32yo
Davis - All-Australian, 8th in B&F - 28yo
Medhurst - 4th in goalkicking for 2009 - 28yo in December
Lockyer - 7th in B&F - 30yo this month
Brown - 28yo in Feb
O'Bree - 10th in B&F - 31yo in March
Johnson - 28yo
Fraser - 28yo in January

Got no problem wth Collingwood's list until KissTroll starts spewing diatribe about the "youth".

Two draft picks have gone on Jolly who is 28yo next month.

How could they have lost the Prelim with Tyson - Supergoldsack in the Side. He had 8 golden opportunities to turn the game around ( and 2 tackles ).

Compare this with Luke Ball's last 2 games ( 17 and 22 touches , 6 and 7 tackles).
You could also compare it with the much maligned Raphael Clarke with 13 disposals and four tacklesin the GF. Maybe we could swap Raph for Goldsack but you would need to sweeten the deal.

 

[w00dy]

Connolly's wishful thinking. He's stating that they still need to sell Melbourne to Luke, good luck with that!

As if Melbourne would select Ball in the ND if he were to openly choose either Brisbane or Collingwood as his preferred destination. That's like Melbourne nabbing Bradshaw in the PSD when he clearly wants to go to Sydney ... I don't think so.

I ask who has displayed more wishful thinking? Chris Connolly or Kiss Stephanie? I think that's pretty obvious.

As for clubs just passing on Ball in the National Draft, because he says he wants to play for Collingwood, it won't happen. Stevens did the same thing when he was leaving Port Adelaide, said he only wanted to be traded to Collingwood. Didn't stop Carlton picking him up in the PSD. Same with Jade Rawlings that year who wanted to go to North.

Brisbane have shown keen interest in Ball, have a pick before Collingwood do, have enough money with Bradshaw leaving, so they won't hesitate to draft him if he's available at their pick in the 20's. Connolly has alluded that we can trump anyone in either of the drafts, indicating that we could take Ball at pick 18. Even talk on SEN this morning that Port Adelaide could take him before that with pick 16.

By entering the draft Ball is acknowledging that he's prepared to go anywhere, and he has to be prepared to end up anywhere. Clubs won't be so kind to let him float through to Collingwood at 30. AFL is a cut throat business, they won't pass on him just to be nice.

And you keep going on about financial terms Ball can nominate to get him to Collingwood. As far as I'm aware, other clubs including Melbourne have more salary cap room than Collingwood, and unfortunately under the table payments don't count in the price you can nominate.

As I said at the start, Connolly has been accused of wishful thinking, however I think someone else is a little more guilty of being too optimistic...

 

[thedrooz]

if ball stays at stkilda he wont probably get the game time that he wants, he is a brilliant footballer whos talent may be lost if he sees himself end up at a club like fremantle. If he is offered a contract at melbourne he should take it.

 

[demon48]

And you keep going on about financial terms Ball can nominate to get him to Collingwood. As far as I'm aware, other clubs including Melbourne have more salary cap room than Collingwood, and unfortunately under the table payments don't count in the price you can nominate.

Is it possible that they can do a dodgy Carlton-type deal where Luke becomes an "ambassador" for Lexus?

 

[w00dy]

Is it possible that they can do a dodgy Carlton-type deal where Luke becomes an "ambassador" for Lexus?

Collingwood could offer that to him, but he wouldn't be able to stipulate such income as the required price on his head in the draft, in order to get through to Collingwood. The value that Ball stipulates for the draft, has to be entirely included in the salary cap.

 

[Deefolt]

Is it possible that they can do a dodgy Carlton-type deal where Luke becomes an "ambassador" for Lexus?

nah has to be a definite room in the salary cap, if they dont have it they cant

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Visy is fairly unique as a major sponser , in that it is a private company.
Pretty sure Collingwood would not be able to convince the stakeholders of Lexus to employ someone in a high paying position they are not qualified for and don't need.

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

KissStephanie...

 

[Demonheart]

Any team that reached a Preliminary Final with such a young list can absolutely expect further improvement from within and consider themselves a premiership contender for the following season. Geelong, St.Kilda and Western Bulldogs are much older and more experienced, but Collingwood definitely has more potential improvement than those three teams. The Collingwood VFL team also reached the Preliminary Final last season, and there is no doubt that has improved depth as well.It's not reality at all because it's definitely better than that, and only St.Kilda and Geelong had more All-Australian representatives in 2009, while Collingwood's best player (Scott Pendlebury) wasn't one of them. Luke Ball believes that Collingwood is good enough to seriously challenge for next seasons premiership, and that is one of the main reasons that he only wanted to be traded to Collingwood in the first place. His opinion means much than some faceless blogger that barracks for Melbourne of course. Maybe if you say it again, you may actually talk yourself into believing it. He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood.That's not right. It was Chris Connolly who said that, but he is wrong of course as has been explained previously. He is the bloody footy manager of Melbourne for goodness sake! He doesn't have any say over that! He's simply trying to threaten Luke Ball, and I have no doubt that is more likely to put him off of course. If he enters the National Draft and states that he has an agreement with a certain club, then no other club will select him of course.Regarding what exactly? Collingwood agreed to St.Kilda's request of Tyson Goldsack and pick #30, but they changed their mind, so please elaborate on what you're referring to. Are you making it up?

Another wall of text

 

[Squizz]

He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood.

This is top-shelf KissTroll

Yeah, Bally would meet someone to ask them to stop contacting him - wouldn't he?

 

[Brock Machine]

He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood.

Stalking and harassing him!!!!!!! Where do you pull this rubbish from? In a thread chock full of people pulling stuff out of their rear ends this takes the cake.

Why on earth would he request a meeting to tell Melbourne that? Is he going to meet with every club that has a pick before the Pies as well?

If he is a professional, he would be going along to consider what Melbourne can put on the table. If he decides he does not want to join them, a nomination for the ND as all he would need to do to declare his intentions. What he tells the Melbourne Football Club does not mount to a pinch of poo.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Your clear inability to read through a news story is equally staggering.

Huh? How so? I read the story. Be very surprised if you got all the way through though, especially given some of the bigger words...

I might hold your last line against you.

Let's just pray that your last 2 years of tanking pays dividends, for your own sake.

So you are simultaneously deluding yourself into thinking that we'd have somehow been last this year no matter what, and will, against all common sense and logic, somehow be last for the foreseeable future... - AND claiming that we "tanked" to finish last this year?

Your self-contradictory trolling makes you look extraordinarily dense. Pick a troll and stick to it next time?

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Steph, sincerely, it is examples of patent invention such as the folllowing which have thoroughly discredited you on this topic:

Luke Ball believes that Collingwood is good enough to seriously challenge for next seasons premiership

Unbacked, unproven, unsubstantiated - how can you possibly speak as to what Luke Ball might personally think about anything, one way or the other?

He was always going to meet with Melbourne, and from what I have heard, it is to tell them to stop stalking and harrassing him because he wants to enter the National Draft and to play for Collingwood.

Ludicrous and laughable. Honestly - do you really believe this?

You have no evidence with which to back up such a claim - and it is illogical in the extreme. Why on Earth would a player request a meeting with a club if he somehow didn't want to meet with them?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

This is not fact, or even close to it, this is your opinion, and it strikes me as a severely misguided and ill-conceived one, to say the least.

The fact is if Ball had decided that he wanted not to play for us, he would have publicly stated his intention to nominate for the ND already.

Unless he does that, or nominates for the ND when the time comes - and it seems increasingly unlikely that he will, I think - then your claims on this topic are just coloured bubbles.

 

[robba]

Steph, sincerely, it is examples of patent invention such as the folllowing which have thoroughly discredited you on this topic:



Unbacked, unproven, unsubstantiated - how can you possibly speak as to what Luke Ball might personally think about anything, one way or the other?



Ludicrous and laughable. Honestly - do you really believe this?

You have no evidence with which to back up such a claim - and it is illogical in the extreme. Why on Earth would a player request a meeting with a club if he somehow didn't want to meet with them?

That makes no sense whatsoever.

This is not fact, or even close to it, this is your opinion, and it strikes me as a severely misguided and ill-conceived one, to say the least.

The fact is if Ball had decided that he wanted not to play for us, he would have nominated for the ND already.

Unless he does that - and it seems increasingly unlikely that he will, I think - then your claims on this topic are just coloured bubbles.

spot on wona. ball cannot and will not end up at collingwood. looking forward to re-visiting this in the near future. kiss stephanie, you are deluded.

 

[demon48]

Your clear inability to read through a news story is equally staggering.

I might hold your last line against you.

Let's just pray that your last 2 years of tanking pays dividends, for your own sake.

How has 2 years of tanking worked for Collingwood so far?
If you don't know what I'm talking about, go look up Fraser, O'Bree, Thomas and Pendlebury on the AFL Draft pages.

Collingwood are good enough to make the Grand Final, just not good enough to win a Premiership.

 

[HFF]

I'll be surprised if Luke doesn't nominate for the National Draft.

Just cannot see him nominating Melb via the PSD. Just cannot see the benefits of wanting to play for Melbourne. They are punching outside of their weight division on this one.

 

[Brock Machine]

I'll be surprised if Luke doesn't nominate for the National Draft.

Just cannot see him nominating Melb via the PSD. Just cannot see the benefits of wanting to play for Melbourne. They are punching outside of their weight division on this one.

One benefit could be the fact Melbourne are in Melbourne. You do realize he could end up ANYWHERE via the ND.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'll be surprised if Luke doesn't nominate for the National Draft.

Just cannot see him nominating Melb via the PSD. Just cannot see the benefits of wanting to play for Melbourne. They are punching outside of their weight division on this one.

Your glasses have slipped down between the chair and the cushion.

 

[brockbruiser]

- what it shows by your reaction is how much immature little twits like you are sooking the pies couldn't get luke ball for some magic beans and a shizenhousen pick.

Yeah but in the face of getting nothing, and for Luke Ball's best interests St.Kilda should have moved him on.....