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Can Sam Mitchell win the brownlow
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Bosk
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I thought Mitchell had a much better year last year. He seemed to be more prolific and consistent.
Luckily for us Clarko has been rotating more players through the middle so he hasn't had to shoulder as much of the burden. Win/win for player and team except when it comes to personal awards like the Brownlow.
Luckily for us Clarko has been rotating more players through the middle so he hasn't had to shoulder as much of the burden. Win/win for player and team except when it comes to personal awards like the Brownlow.
Hodge is God
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Cotchin will win it.
Good player in a bad club. No one will take votes off him.
Good player in a bad club. No one will take votes off him.
That is why Ablett is likely. Will the umpires realise who the most important players on the ground were, rather than just who had the most stats?
Not likely, so sheepdogs like Swan and Ablett will get the votes.
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Not really, may take off a few votes but...
I'll be having $20 on him at 15's.
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Frankly, shouldn't be wasting my keyboard on this topic.
This issue is a distraction from the main issue:
Next weeks Game, and, hopefully, the week after that!
I realise some have nice things to say about White Maggots,
But, Iv'e got no respect for them at all.
Inescapable Fact.
Therefore, couldn't give a "Rats-Tossbag" about the Downlow
It only serves to fill pages in the "Hun", and gives Bruce something else to froth and gush about.
Major Mitchell has all our Love and Respect, in truckloads, Good enough.
This issue is a distraction from the main issue:
Next weeks Game, and, hopefully, the week after that!
I realise some have nice things to say about White Maggots,
But, Iv'e got no respect for them at all.
Inescapable Fact.
Therefore, couldn't give a "Rats-Tossbag" about the Downlow
It only serves to fill pages in the "Hun", and gives Bruce something else to froth and gush about.
Major Mitchell has all our Love and Respect, in truckloads, Good enough.
MF_Hawks
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mitchell had a better year this year than last year and if ablett wins it then its a joke and somehow the voting needs to be changed. im tipping mitchell top 2 with cotchin
Putting my money on NicNat.
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The problem with Sammy is that every possession he gets, counts.
He doesn't get cheapies like Swan or GAblett, so ends the game with 25 - 30 quality touches, as opposed to 35 - 40 mixed possessions, where 15 of those relate to three handballs in 15 metres of running, that could have easily been achieved with one sneaky Mitchell left foot chip to put a player in to space.
Still amazed he didn't make the AA team.
He doesn't get cheapies like Swan or GAblett, so ends the game with 25 - 30 quality touches, as opposed to 35 - 40 mixed possessions, where 15 of those relate to three handballs in 15 metres of running, that could have easily been achieved with one sneaky Mitchell left foot chip to put a player in to space.
Still amazed he didn't make the AA team.
Would Mitch's efficiency be up on last year ? I get that impression. and hes done alot of cleanup work when others have stufed up
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Has anyone ever won the brownlow but not made the AA team?
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I think Shane Woewodin won the Brownlow but not made the All-Australian team in 2000.
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Well done!
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If we lose to Adelaide I hope he wins the Brownlow
If we beat Adelaide I hope he doesn't win it - don't need the distraction
If we beat Adelaide I hope he doesn't win it - don't need the distraction
The punters who follow the Brownlow religiously don't like Mitchell 'cause when you assess his games one by one it seems as though his votes simply don't add up to a tally that competes with the top 3.
If the umps gave votes based solely on who is the best player, regardless of position, status and type of player, then Mitchell would find himself on around 20 votes due to players like Sewell, Lewis, Birchall, Franklin, Suckling, Rioli, Gibson and Burgoyne earning votes ahead of him.
However, particularly because Mitchell was so good last year, whenever he's among the best players in a Hawks win the umps will be far more likely to give votes to him as opposed to the blokes mentioned above, regardless of who was the best. He's a pure midfielder, well-known to umpires, polls extremely well, has been touted throughout his career as someone who could win a Charlie, plays for a team who had the most wins and could benefit from a wierd trend where players are overcompensated in votes if they are linked to some kind of controversy the year before (Mitchell would've won if he wasn't ineligible & if Swan didn't pull votes out of his rackbag).
So after only having him on 20 votes, I re-did mitchell's count favouring him in every game as the umpires are likely to do and got him up to 31 votes, which'll be enough to win it this year i reckon.
Another reason I like him is because you can make an argument for all the top 10 favourites as to why they won't win, but you can't really for Mitchell. Watson, Ablett and Cotchin all play for bottom 10 sides (not since Crawf in 99 has a player won it from outside the top 8), Thompson isn't as classy and lacks polling history, Swan will suffer from the second year brownlow blues and underpoll, and Dangerfield and Kennedy may underpoll because it usually takes a player one dominant year before they are recognised in the the Brownlow the year following.
While i still reckon it's Watson's to lose and Ablett could create history if the umpires decide to ignore the outcomes of games, Mitchell is definitely a chance to surprise a few of the pro's who have written him off.
If the umps gave votes based solely on who is the best player, regardless of position, status and type of player, then Mitchell would find himself on around 20 votes due to players like Sewell, Lewis, Birchall, Franklin, Suckling, Rioli, Gibson and Burgoyne earning votes ahead of him.
However, particularly because Mitchell was so good last year, whenever he's among the best players in a Hawks win the umps will be far more likely to give votes to him as opposed to the blokes mentioned above, regardless of who was the best. He's a pure midfielder, well-known to umpires, polls extremely well, has been touted throughout his career as someone who could win a Charlie, plays for a team who had the most wins and could benefit from a wierd trend where players are overcompensated in votes if they are linked to some kind of controversy the year before (Mitchell would've won if he wasn't ineligible & if Swan didn't pull votes out of his rackbag).
So after only having him on 20 votes, I re-did mitchell's count favouring him in every game as the umpires are likely to do and got him up to 31 votes, which'll be enough to win it this year i reckon.
Another reason I like him is because you can make an argument for all the top 10 favourites as to why they won't win, but you can't really for Mitchell. Watson, Ablett and Cotchin all play for bottom 10 sides (not since Crawf in 99 has a player won it from outside the top 8), Thompson isn't as classy and lacks polling history, Swan will suffer from the second year brownlow blues and underpoll, and Dangerfield and Kennedy may underpoll because it usually takes a player one dominant year before they are recognised in the the Brownlow the year following.
While i still reckon it's Watson's to lose and Ablett could create history if the umpires decide to ignore the outcomes of games, Mitchell is definitely a chance to surprise a few of the pro's who have written him off.
History says the Brownlow winner has a bad GF, so i rather no he doesnt win it coz we need him at his best come GF day....
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History also says the brownlow medalist quite often comes from a team competing in the GF. For me that leaves Mitchell and Kennedy!
Im happy for JK to win charlie if sammy wins the norm smith
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That thought had crossed my mind also. Make it so!
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Agree. His year is similar to Crawf's when he won - a dominant year in a team that somewhat disappointed for the season, where he was an absolute run away the best player that team.
I think it will be hard to stop Cotchin. Comparing to the other chances:
G.Ablett - hampered by playing for the Suns.
J.Kenneddy - will poll well early and late; not so well in middle games, and has a couple of similar inside midfielders at the Swans to take votes off him.
Dangerfield/Thompson - will split votes between them.
Mitchell - too many others taking votes off him.
Watson - probably the best chance. Arguably had a better year than Cotchin in a team that did even worse. However, some of Essendon's losses were blow-outs, hampering his chances - whereas when the Tiges lost, the games were generally closer.
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Deldeio will take a lot of votes he was very good the first half of the season when the Tigers were actually winning. I don't think Cotchin can win it. I am still picking Dangerfield as i don't think Thommpson will poll near as well as what a lot of peope are suggesting
