Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afraid...

[H2F]

... to sack him?

What possible reason is there to keep Terry on as coach?

Watching the interview on the couch and I just couldn't believe what I was witnessing. If I was a Richmond supporter then I would be horrified at what I was seeing.

Terry was not 'spinning' as people like to call it. He was blatently lying to Richmond supporters in every single question asked. How can Richmond supporters, or anyone involved with the club have a coach who looks at them on national tv and lies to them, all with a smug look on his face.

It is absolutely clear that he does not give a stuff, and all he did it for was to convey the message that he demands to be paid out his contract, whether you sack him or not.

Probably the most disgraceful thing was how he conveyed that message itself, by inferring he was not a quitter. Didn't he abandon the Dogs late in the season when he thought he had the job in Sydney? What a ridiculous situation this is. Not because Wallace is a lying fraud, but because March and the Richmond supporters seemingly continue to let this all happen.

 

[Madtiger2006]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

I've been following the club since half time in the 82 grand final and you know what happened from that point. Been to at least 300 games. The last thing I want is Terry sacked. If you take out players such as King, Hislop, Mcmahon, Raines, Johnson then the main turnover culprits are gone. We'd be a much better team and I think we are coming to the end of seeing these type of players out there. Add in players such as Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins, Connors, Thompson, Pattison, Putt, Post, Hughes etc then Terry has something to work with. I want him to finish his 5 years and see the right 22 out there with his game plan. I think we'll be pretty good

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

I've been following the club since half time in the 82 grand final and you know what happened from that point. Been to at least 300 games. The last thing I want is Terry sacked. If you take out players such as King, Hislop, Mcmahon, Raines, Johnson then the main turnover culprits are gone. We'd be a much better team and I think we are coming to the end of seeing these type of players out there. Add in players such as Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins, Connors, Thompson, Pattison, Putt, Post, Hughes etc then Terry has something to work with. I want him to finish his 5 years and see the right 22 out there with his game plan. I think we'll be pretty good

Can't you see that he doesn't have any plan whatsoever and never did?

Except of course to rob you of five years and millions?

If you think I am full of it, then answer me this? What are the 22 that he thinks will win him a flag? i.e In his 5th year he surely must have the structure he has been building ready to go?

As I said this is madness that you guys are still buying it. Any coach with a 5 year plan, would have a structure in place by now and a clear gameplan. Whether or not it is good enough is another thing. But by seeing the weekly team changes, the obvious 'lack of structure or any direction' proves one thing.

He has no plan other than to take your money.

 

[Zeke]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

No idea.

Regardless of what happens, even Richmond can't be silly enough to re-sign him for another contract - why not cut him free now and give the eventual successor a chance to settle into a season.

If I were a Richmond administrator I'd be showing Wallet the door and doing whatever I could to get Bucks on board.

 

[Jef Costello]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

There was talk of trying to line up Malthouse or Mark Williams earlier tonight on the radio since they both might be exiting this year.

Or try and snap up Hardwick. At least someone who is going to breathe fire for the club.

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

There was talk of trying to line up Malthouse or Mark Williams earlier tonight on the radio since they both might be exiting this year.

Or try and snap up Hardwick. At least someone who is going to breathe fire for the club.

Hardwick is the man for them, but I really hope us Hawks can keep him...

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

I've been following the club since half time in the 82 grand final and you know what happened from that point. Been to at least 300 games. The last thing I want is Terry sacked. If you take out players such as King, Hislop, Mcmahon, Raines, Johnson then the main turnover culprits are gone. We'd be a much better team and I think we are coming to the end of seeing these type of players out there. Add in players such as Cotchin, Coughlan, Cousins, Connors, Thompson, Pattison, Putt, Post, Hughes etc then Terry has something to work with. I want him to finish his 5 years and see the right 22 out there with his game plan. I think we'll be pretty good

You want him to ruin more of your youth?

Not concerned about the almost complete lack of genuine young talent DEVELOPED under him?

After blaming Frawley for the state of the list for the best part of 5 years, the only two players he could name who have progressed well under his tutelage are two rookies from the Frawley days.

Deledio is nowhere near as good as he should be, and Tambling is a joke.

Wallace should be ashamed of himself, if he had any integrity, he'd quit and move on.

If Richmond had any balls, they'd sack Wallace instantly and beg Hardwick to take the job.

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

You want him to ruin more of your youth?

Not concerned about the almost complete lack of genuine young talent DEVELOPED under him?

After blaming Frawley for the state of the list for the best part of 5 years, the only two players he could name who have progressed well under his tutelage are two rookies from the Frawley days.

Deledio is nowhere near as good as he should be, and Tambling is a joke.

Wallace should be ashamed of himself, if he had any integrity, he'd quit and move on.

If Richmond had any balls, they'd sack Wallace instantly and beg Hardwick to take the job.

You are the man King Elvis, the man !!! You are 100% correct.

 

[Messenger]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Hardwick is the man for them, but I really hope us Hawks can keep him...

The longer Terry stays, the longer we keep Hardwick.

He will go next season though.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

You know what - maybe Terry Wallace isn't the problem.

Like him or not, he was a pretty good coach at the Bulldogs, getting them to two Preliminary Finals.

Numerous coaches have tried and failed as coach of Richmond.

Possibly, the grave news for Richmond is that the main problem isn't Wallace at all but that fundamentally the problem is the club and it's makeup - maybe even its supporters.

Maybe this much-hyped passion that Richmond fans supposedly exhibit places undue pressure on the club to make decisions it wouldn't normally make.

Think about it - to only play two final series in 25 years is pretty amazing. Most other clubs would better this record without even trying.

 

[Rosstickle]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Maybe this much-hyped passion that Richmond fans supposedly exhibit places undue pressure on the club to make decisions it wouldn't normally make.

New York Knicks syndrome perhaps?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

The thing that got me is he said first week they picked a side that can kick and second week they picked a side to give a contest.

That staggers me because after 5 years of planning if you don't know your best 22 and have to change sides on that basis weekly then you are in massive trouble.

His also said Jordan McMahon is a good user of the footy. Not from what I've seen and giving up pick 19 for him was madness.

I get the feeling he wants to let rip and yell out what the hell am I supposed to do when our drafting has been nothing short of abysmall - Tambling, JON, Gilmour,Roach, Meyer, Polo, Hughes + others have not delivered.

Worrying times for the Tiges because when he goes the new coach will come in and sweep the broom. Retirement beckons for the likes of Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Bowden, etc and with Gold Coast coming in and taking the best picks they could be the next Carlton (pre hype)

 

[King Elvis]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Now I've heard everything... passionate, long-suffering supporters are to blame for Richmond being shit?

They didn't have the balls to grab Clarkson and instead went with a proven failure, they need to grab Hardwick now before Fremantle or the Power do.

Basically, March needs to become a complete hard arse, give Hardwick a lot of power, and back him unflinchingly.

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

It will be even funnier when they replace him with Wayne Campbell.
<Cue laughter>

 

[Rosstickle]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

I get the feeling he wants to let rip and yell out what the hell am I supposed to do when our drafting has been nothing short of abysmall - Tambling, JON, Gilmour,Roach, Meyer, Polo, Hughes + others have not delivered.

Wallace's selections are terrible. Hughes hasn't delivered because he doesn't get a chance. Hughes is a very good kick at goal (something we need badly) and has managed goals in 10 of his 16 matches and been a multiple goal scorer on 6 occasions, with a bag of 6 against Port last year. He just gets dropped every time he has an off game. Give him consistent game time, Jay Schultz is not the answer.

 

[kira]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

will go at the end of the season or near it, would be the general concensus

hope you are not saying to sack him now

as there is no benefit for the club to sack him whilst they are realistically a chance for the finals

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

The thing that got me is he said first week they picked a side that can kick and second week they picked a side to give a contest.

That staggers me because after 5 years of planning if you don't know your best 22 and have to change sides on that basis weekly then you are in massive trouble.

His also said Jordan McMahon is a good user of the footy. Not from what I've seen and giving up pick 19 for him was madness.

I get the feeling he wants to let rip and yell out what the hell am I supposed to do when our drafting has been nothing short of abysmall - Tambling, JON, Gilmour,Roach, Meyer, Polo, Hughes + others have not delivered.

Worrying times for the Tiges because when he goes the new coach will come in and sweep the broom. Retirement beckons for the likes of Richo, Brown, Simmonds, Bowden, etc and with Gold Coast coming in and taking the best picks they could be the next Carlton (pre hype)

How can a coach build a team (i.e 5 year plan) and then blame the recruiter?

Think about it.

Recruiters are only there to hand the coach lists of players out there, and their attributes.

Coaches build the blue print for the structure required... They then use this blue print to cross reference it against the recruiters notes and choose the players to draft.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Wallace's selections are terrible. Hughes hasn't delivered because he doesn't get a chance. Hughes is a very good kick at goal (something we need badly) and has managed goals in 10 of his 16 matches and been a multiple goal scorer on 6 occasions, with a bag of 6 against Port last year. He just gets dropped every time he has an off game. Give him consistent game time, Jay Schultz is not the answer.

Schultz is the guy I was actually thinking.

Cleve Hughes has done a few nice things at AFL level. Has his VFL form been good enough to warrant selection? From where I sit he's a 22 year old guy that can't get a game and there must be some reason apart from Wallace.

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

will go at the end of the season or near it, would be the general concensus

hope you are not saying to sack him now

as there is no benefit for the club to sack him whilst they are realistically a chance for the finals

The reason he has to be sacked now is very simple.

The sacking of Terry Wallace is required by Richmond in their realisation of what their past failings have been.

The sacking of Terry Wallace is required by Richmond in that when they realise what they have to do to finally get on the path of success, this enlightenment cannot co exist with them having Terry coach for a single day thereafter.

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

It will be even funnier when they replace him with Wayne Campbell.
<Cue laughter>

I would bet a large amount of money that if Richmond delay the sacking of Wallace then they will also pick up WayneCampbell as coach.

i.e If they don't get the problem, they will continue with another.

If they hire Campbell then they are making the same mistake over again. Not because Campbell might not be a good coach (who could know) but because the right decision is not to roll the dice, it would be to hire Hardwick.

 

[H2F]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Schultz is the guy I was actually thinking.

Cleve Hughes has done a few nice things at AFL level. Has his VFL form been good enough to warrant selection? From where I sit he's a 22 year old guy that can't get a game and there must be some reason apart from Wallace.

It's wrong to criticise the individual players at Richmond IMO. Players can only perform to their potential under the right conditions. Some of those conditions are below:

Playing in a team with the right structure.
Playing in a position that suits their strengths.
Being developed to play with their strengths.

etc, etc

Does Richmond do any of the below? No.

So who knows whether their kids are any good?

 

[gaelictiogar]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

You know what - maybe Terry Wallace isn't the problem.

Like him or not, he was a pretty good coach at the Bulldogs, getting them to two Preliminary Finals.

Numerous coaches have tried and failed as coach of Richmond.

Possibly, the grave news for Richmond is that the main problem isn't Wallace at all but that fundamentally the problem is the club and it's makeup - maybe even its supporters.

Maybe this much-hyped passion that Richmond fans supposedly exhibit places undue pressure on the club to make decisions it wouldn't normally make.

Think about it - to only play two final series in 25 years is pretty amazing. Most other clubs would better this record without even trying.

I actuially agree. I was criticised on the Richmond board for saying this but I actually believe many of our players and staff are half afraid of the fans. The Tiger Army is in many ways the best and in many ways the worst support in Australia. Passionalte, full voiced and colourful are the plusses but given to ranting bitterness when agrieved.

Whoever does eventually get us going will get to ride a fantastic wave but until thenm the fans are an everpresent threat to the coach or at least can be.

 

[kira]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

The reason he has to be sacked now is very simple.

The sacking of Terry Wallace is required by Richmond in their realisation of what their past failings have been.

The sacking of Terry Wallace is required by Richmond in that when they realise what they have to do to finally get on the path of success, this enlightenment cannot co exist with them having Terry coach for a single day thereafter.

if or when they sack terry, yes this may lead a reality check for the club and players and they may lead to a "path of success"

but this will happen at any point after they sack terry, whether tomorrow or after the season

but to kick him out now, and to bring in a caretaker coach so soon in the season.... is a real kick in the guts to their finals chances, and it sets a bad sign for the club..... "well the coach was useless, so lets bring in some guy to take care of the club and get this miserable season over and done with"

 

[Haggis McHaggis]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

Someone at Tigerland should be on their knees showing Buckley how much they want him. Maybe they could offer him 12 rounds with Caro to entice him.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Re: Can someone tell me what the point of keeping Terry Wallace on as coach is? Is Gary March afrai

How can a coach build a team (i.e 5 year plan) and then blame the recruiter?

Think about it.

Recruiters are only there to hand the coach lists of players out there, and their attributes.

Coaches build the blue print for the structure required... They then use this blue print to cross reference it against the recruiters notes and choose the players to draft.

Don't the coaches leave it up to the recruiters these days? No more Sheeds left field selections.

He might have lucked out with Delidio and Tambling. They where the best 2 mids of the draft and seen as potential great players. Delidio is a good player but will never be a gun midfielder. Tambling is just not good enough.

If these guys turned out to be Cooney and Griffen then Richmond would be in relaltively good shape.