Can Sydney keep Warner and avoid more trade bans?

[geelong_crazy26]

Not sure what's worse, Swans supporters claiming they need a leg-up, or Cats fans denying their natural advantages.

Name one mechanism that is available to geelong that is not available to every team.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Name one mechanism that is available to geelong that is not available to every team.

"Natural advantages" do not require mechanisms.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

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Sydney has been handed 4x top 5 rated draft picks for packets of chips. It is by far and wide the biggest leg up in recent history.

Heeney was a top 3 pick who got taken at pick 17. Braeden cambell was also a top 5 rated kid, mills a top 3 rated pick, and blakey was rated top 10.

The advantage gifted to sydney just sticks a huge asteric next to any flag in many supporters views.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

"Natural advantages" do not require mechanisms.

So we have no advantage. You are just making up garbage.

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

So we have no advantage. You are just making up garbage.

Well you said "mechanism", which I took to mean something enacted by the AFL to give you an advantage akin to the Swans' draft concessions. What I had in mind was:

1. A lifestyle option not provided by any other team, quite attractive to mature players.
2. The fact that footballers west of Melbourne appear to be tied to the apron strings of home to a far greater extent than any South or West Australian.
3. A tradition of payments and perks outside the salary cap, with Visy-levels of corruption.

 

[BloodySwan]

Sydney has been handed 4x top 5 rated draft picks for packets of chips. It is by far and wide the biggest leg up in recent history.

Heeney was a top 3 pick who got taken at pick 17. Braeden cambell was also a top 5 rated kid, mills a top 3 rated pick, and blakey was rated top 10.

The advantage gifted to sydney just sticks a huge asteric next to any flag in many supporters views.

We'll put a huge asterisk against Geelong's 3 premierships due to your father sons while we're at it

 

[geelong_crazy26]

We'll put a huge asterisk against Geelong's 3 premierships due to your father sons while we're at it

We had only 1 F/S pick out of the 4 you are referring to who was at the time of being drafted worth a first rounder on value. Scarlett was a pick in the 40’s-50’s, ablett was an early second rounder, and N ablett had spent a year playing local 4ths before we drafted him so go figure who also retired after 2007. Hawkins was the only top ten, and he only came good in 2012 after our 3 flags.

Take out our first rounders, we still win 3 flags, take out yours with the academy, and you probably drop down mid table.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well you said "mechanism", which I took to mean something enacted by the AFL to give you an advantage akin to the Swans' draft concessions. What I had in mind was:

1. A lifestyle option not provided by any other team, quite attractive to mature players.
2. The fact that footballers west of Melbourne appear to be tied to the apron strings of home to a far greater extent than any South or West Australian.
3. A tradition of payments and perks outside the salary cap, with Visy-levels of corruption.

Sounds good. Except no 3 is a laugh.

Yes geelong has turned itself into one of the most appealing club cultures and destinations in the AFL, thanks for pointing it out.

 

[.Shotties.]

We had only 1 F/S pick out of the 4 you are referring to who was at the time of being drafted worth a first rounder on value. Scarlett was a pick in the 40’s-50’s,
ablett was an early second rounder,

That's because of the system they were drafted under. You just used your second round pick, or third if you drafted two in one year like Geelong did.

. Hawkins was the only top ten, and he only came good in 2012 after our 3 flags..

He also came under the second round system and played in the 2009 and 2011 flags fot two and three goals respectively.

Take out our first rounders, we still win 3 flags, take out yours with the academy, and you probably drop down mid table.

Why don't we just take out the father sons as you drafted them under a system where it was impossible to use a first round pick on them, no matter how highly they were rated?

 

[CharlieMortdecai]

Sounds good. Except no 3 is a laugh.

Yes geelong has turned itself into one of the most appealing club cultures and destinations in the AFL, thanks for pointing it out.

I think you mean Geelong has adopted a culture of corruption while simultaneously turning itself into a tourist bureau for the surf coast.

 

[BloodySwan]

We had only 1 F/S pick out of the 4 you are referring to who was at the time of being drafted worth a first rounder on value. Scarlett was a pick in the 40’s-50’s, ablett was an early second rounder, and N ablett had spent a year playing local 4ths before we drafted him so go figure who also retired after 2007. Hawkins was the only top ten, and he only came good in 2012 after our 3 flags.

Take out our first rounders, we still win 3 flags, take out yours with the academy, and you probably drop down mid table.

Show me you didn't know the father son rules at the time without telling me you don't know the father son rules

 

[Number37]

Sydney has been handed 4x top 5 rated draft picks for packets of chips. It is by far and wide the biggest leg up in recent history.

Gold Coast got 5 top 10 draft picks in one year. For nothing.
GWS got 11 of the first 20 draft picks in one year. For nothing.

The number of flags won by both clubs is the same as the number of brain cells you are using.

 

[Cyclops]

Gold Coast got 5 top 10 draft picks in one year. For nothing.
GWS got 11 of the first 20 draft picks in one year. For nothing.

The number of flags won by both clubs is the same as the number of brain cells you are using.

It took 20+ years of assistance to hand Sydney a flag, give them time.

Meanwhile Brisbane threepeated with less help for less time than Sydney.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Except no 3 is a laugh.

So you’re absolutely sure that no Geelong players are recipients of any extra perks outside of the salary cap.

And yesterday you were absolutely sure that Sydney had rorted COLA.

 

[.Shotties.]

It took 20+ years of assistance to hand Sydney a flag, give them time.

Meanwhile Brisbane threepeated with less help for less time than Sydney.

I think you may have misunderstood the post.

 

[Cyclops]

I think you may have misunderstood the post.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

That's because of the system they were drafted under. You just used your second round pick, or third if you drafted two in one year like Geelong did.

He also came under the second round system and played in the 2009 and 2011 flags fot two and three goals respectively.

Why don't we just take out the father sons as you drafted them under a system where it was impossible to use a first round pick on them, no matter how highly they were rated?

Please re read what i said. I said their value when drafted, not where they got selected under the f/s rules. Sydney has picked up 4 top 10 valued players for peanuts. Geelong only selected one player who was valued as a first rounder with a f/s pick. The rest were 2nd-3rd round draft ranked.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Show me you didn't know the father son rules at the time without telling me you don't know the father son rules

A players draft value and where they actually get selected are two very different things. You got given 4x top ten picks, i would go as far as even saying 2x top 3 picks in heeney and mills... For essentially all of them a packet of crisps.. Geelong only drafted one f/s player who was valued as a first rounder. Ablett was rated an early second rounder, scarlett a third rounder in his draft, N ablett wasnt even considered AFL standard, hawkins was probably no 1 pick, but only came good in 2012.

So far apart its ridiculous to comparw

 

[geelong_crazy26]

So you’re absolutely sure that no Geelong players are recipients of any extra perks outside of the salary cap.

And yesterday you were absolutely sure that Sydney had rorted COLA.

No mate, we dont have COLA incentives or “NSW embassador” style payments like sydney. We also dont have an exclusive academies pumping out first round picks.

Geelong is just a well run club who does well playing by the same rules as everyone else.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Gold Coast got 5 top 10 draft picks in one year. For nothing.
GWS got 11 of the first 20 draft picks in one year. For nothing.

The number of flags won by both clubs is the same as the number of brain cells you are using.

Hit a nerve it seems. Calm your emotions.

GC and GWS required those picks to establish themselves as startups. Sydney just dont need all of those concessions.

Any flag sydney wins with all the academy picks will have an asteric to it it. No credibility or respect

 

[Big Blood]

We had only 1 F/S pick out of the 4 you are referring to who was at the time of being drafted worth a first rounder on value. Scarlett was a pick in the 40’s-50’s, ablett was an early second rounder, and N ablett had spent a year playing local 4ths before we drafted him so go figure who also retired after 2007. Hawkins was the only top ten, and he only came good in 2012 after our 3 flags.

Take out our first rounders, we still win 3 flags, take out yours with the academy, and you probably drop down mid table.

Geelong paid nothing for any of them. Definitely the biggest free kick of any club in player acquisition in the 21st century and the main reason why we now put a price on F/S.

Just like Geelong and its F/S, Sydney paid the agreed rate on its players in its academies. As set by the league and the commission. The academies were created because there was zero player development in NSW, zero players getting drafted and at least 90% of the club list every year from out of state. All of this has been extensively debated and deliberated through the AFL commission.

This topic provokes endless amount of victimhood and self-pitying whining from entitled Victorian supporters, none of whom ever show any understanding of the issue, and none of whom ever come up with an actual solution to how better to balance the league's needs to grow the game and draft-quality players while also ensuring fairness.

Read Mark Evans' paper on all the ways in which the current system advantages Victorian clubs over the northern states before you let fly with your next whinge.

 

[.Shotties.]

Please re read what i said.

Even if it was provable, it doesn't change anything. You got multiple AA, Brownlow winners and keys to your premiership teams for second and third rounders.

 

[.Shotties.]

No mate, we dont have COLA incentives or “NSW embassador” style payments like sydney.

Funnily enough, neither do we.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Geelong paid nothing for any of them. Definitely the biggest free kick of any club in player acquisition in the 21st century and the main reason why we now put a price on F/S.

Just like Geelong and its F/S, Sydney paid the agreed rate on its players in its academies. As set by the league and the commission. The academies were created because there was zero player development in NSW, zero players getting drafted and at least 90% of the club list every year from out of state. All of this has been extensively debated and deliberated through the AFL commission.

This topic provokes endless amount of victimhood and self-pitying whining from entitled Victorian supporters, none of whom ever show any understanding of the issue, and none of whom ever come up with an actual solution to how better to balance the league's needs to grow the game and draft-quality players while also ensuring fairness.

Read Mark Evans' paper on all the ways in which the current system advantages Victorian clubs over the northern states before you let fly with your next whinge.

We can address player development in the state of NSW without handing the sydney swans exclusive access to top 5 and too ten draft picks on a continual basis.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Even if it was provable, it doesn't change anything. You got multiple AA, Brownlow winners and keys to your premiership teams for second and third rounders.

As i said, they were rated as average to ok juniors. We took a bunch of second and third round quality kids and turned them into stars. You drafted a couple of the best juniors in the country for a packet of potato chips.