Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy

[I bleed Blue]

You don't need a title to be a leader.

Cripps is our future captain, and seems from the outside to exude leadership.

But personally I think we should let him just have one more year establishing himself and playing footy before we throw him into the leadership group. Of course he will still lead on the field, and likely off the field. But lets just let him grow himself before lumping the extra pressure of a leadership 'title' on him.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

Problem wit Carrazzo was - that he had poor execution skills - not an inspiring type to listen to. Leadership is about being able to do what you expect others to do - not just barking and waiving..still - Murphy/Gibbs/Judd/Kreuzer are not barking types - they are get in and do it types...

You don't need to be the most skilful player at the club to be a leader.

Being a leader is also pushing others to bring out their best both on and off the field.
Carrazzo's passion and persistence made him a great option for captain at the time the position was available.

While I do believe that it is important to practice what you preach, effort comes before skill everyday of the week. I'd rather have a leader that cares about everything the club stands for than one that simply has fancy footwork.

Murphy right now is doing well as skipper, but the ideal choice would have probably been Simpson.

 

[Blue__Balls]

I must sound as though I'm promoting Cripps for the sake of it, but it's the principle that counts here.
No, one doesn't have to be a leader to lead but if one is best served to do so, why deny them because of age?

How would that conversation go?
"Patrick, you're clearly one of the best credentialed leaders at our club and you should be in the leadership group........but you know.....we have to give it to someone older. Don't worry. Your time will come."

That's wrong on both fronts.
1. Denying the individual on some ageist scenario.
2. Denying the club in having the best people in the right positions.

Valid points, but also worth noting that just because he's a good fit, that doesn't mean it's best for him.

He's got a decade or more of football at Carlton ahead of him. If he gets the nod and smashes it, I'll be over the moon. Equally, I'll be happy if the club decide he'll benefit from another year before taking that responsibility on.

 

[TeeJay Blue]

This year's leadership group was absolutely embarrassing. Murph was pretty much doing it all by himself.
- Jamison had struggled with injury. And even though he is an experience player at the club, he doesn't scream out 'leader' in my opinion.
- Every time Row tried to lead the way, he constantly forgotten about his progress. He did not stand up when needed. Too much to handle for him.
- Gibbs had a shocker of a year, injured his shoulder, came back, got suspended, came back, torn peck saw him out for the rest of the year.
- Henderson was just a complete disgrace, did not try hard enough and no doubt the vibe he brought had impacted the playing group in some way.

I must sound as though I'm promoting Cripps for the sake of it, but it's the principle that counts here.
No, one doesn't have to be a leader to lead but if one is best served to do so, why deny them because of age?

How would that conversation go?
"Patrick, you're clearly one of the best credentialed leaders at our club and you should be in the leadership group........but you know.....we have to give it to someone older. Don't worry. Your time will come."

That's wrong on both fronts.
1. Denying the individual on some ageist scenario.
2. Denying the club in having the best people in the right positions.

I think Cripps himself MIGHT consider staying out of the leadership group. He would make a great leader, but you can't just determine whether one is a leader simply by the year they have. It is how they see it themselves and whether they believe that they are capable to take another giant step.

If he stays for the long-term (which I'm pretty sure he will), he is definitely somebody for the top job of captaincy. But right now a few stand ahead of him for a role in leadership:

Murphy, Walker, Simpson, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Buckley, Docherty, Tuohy, Curnow and maybe Jamison.

 

[ShanDog]

Is the leadership group still decided by the playing group?

 

[blueboy25]

Is the leadership group still decided by the playing group?

I imagine that will be up to Bolts

 

[Beer n Skittles]

Just have Murphy, doc & cripps as the leadership group

 

[BluStreak]

My thoughts on next years leadership group is for the team to select them. Clearly Murphy is Captain (until otherwise notified) Cripps is a natural leader but then so is Doc. I have no problem with the young guys being in the leadership group if they have earned it.
Others to consider would be Curnow, Touhy, Buckley, Graham and even Thomas

 

[Blue__Balls]

My thoughts on next years leadership group is for the team to select them. Clearly Murphy is Captain (until otherwise notified) Cripps is a natural leader but then so is Doc. I have no problem with the young guys being in the leadership group if they have earned it.
Others to consider would be Curnow, Touhy, Buckley, Graham and even Thomas

Except a quarter of the squad will be new to the club and in no real position to be determining who should comprise the Leadership Group. Our players have had a little too much say in things recently, and I'd rather not go down the "popularity contest" route for this one.

While we're transitioning to a new coaching panel, game plan, culture etc. I think we need to stick with established, respected senior players as much as possible, with nominal representation from the younger generation. They need to be committed, and willing to do what is right for the club not for their teammates when required. They also need to be adaptable and ready to buy in to whatever strategies the new coach(es) put in place, but strong enough to provide input and feedback from the player group to the coaches - no yes men, blokes who want the best for the club. They need to be clearly Best 22, and be able to support and assist their fellow players, but also willing to put the hard word on poor discipline if it presents.

The leadership group should be an extension of the coaching group. It's a responsibility, not a reward.

I suspect there will be some regular changes to said group over the next 2-3 years, as senior players move on and young players stake their claim. We don't have to elect a leadership group that will stand for the next 5 years, just one that will enable Bolton and Co. to implement their strategies effectively next year.

 

[RedFury]

Murphy, Kreuzer, Tuohy, Docherty, Cripps ftw.

 

[smashbox gill]

Murphy - Captain
Gibbs + Simpson - Vice
Docherty
Curnow (deserves to be in their imo, his training standards are elite)

Leave Kruezer out to completely focus on getting his body right and playing continuous football.

I'll leave the Cripps judgement to BB, he comes from the hawthorn model where they don't hand out accolades easy. Although he has only played 1 full season, he has shown a ton of leadership and could easily slot in their.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

This year's leadership group was absolutely embarrassing. Murph was pretty much doing it all by himself.
- Jamison had struggled with injury. And even though he is an experience player at the club, he doesn't scream out 'leader' in my opinion.
- Every time Row tried to lead the way, he constantly forgotten about his progress. He did not stand up when needed. Too much to handle for him.
- Gibbs had a shocker of a year, injured his shoulder, came back, got suspended, came back, torn peck saw him out for the rest of the year.
- Henderson was just a complete disgrace, did not try hard enough and no doubt the vibe he brought had impacted the playing group in some way.



I think Cripps himself MIGHT consider staying out of the leadership group. He would make a great leader, but you can't just determine whether one is a leader simply by the year they have. It is how they see it themselves and whether they believe that they are capable to take another giant step.

If he stays for the long-term (which I'm pretty sure he will), he is definitely somebody for the top job of captaincy. But right now a few stand ahead of him for a role in leadership:
Murphy, Walker, Simpson, Gibbs, Kreuzer, Buckley, Docherty, Tuohy, Curnow and maybe Jamison.

I know I'll get howled down for this, but for a re-building team like Carlton, I don't mind the Grant Thomas model of giving, say, Gibbs, Docherty and Cripps a year each in the role. Thought it really developed the group of leaders at the Saints.

 

[AceAndy]

I know I'll get howled down for this, but for a re-building team like Carlton, I don't mind the Grant Thomas model of giving, say, Gibbs, Docherty and Cripps a year each in the role. Thought it really developed the group of leaders at the Saints.

Not sure that isn't a bad idea. Love Murph as a player but he just isn't built to lead the team.

Nothing to be lost by giving these three a crack at it.

 

[bluekidjoe]

Captain: Murphy
Vice Captains: Docherty & Cripps
Leadership Group: Murphy, Gibbs, Docherty, Cripps, Jamison, Buckley