Captaincy, Leadership & Marc Murphy

[RAPPA]

Well, we could go down the Richie Vandenberg route, and appoint a complete and utter spud as captain. Robbie Warnock, come on down.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

From next year on, I'd like to see something like this:
Captain - Murphy
VC - Gibbs
Leadership group:
Defence - Docherty
Midfield - Kreuzer
Forwards - Walker (working closely with/mentoring Menzel)

The year after, I would move Cripps into the leadership group, but have the structure largely unchanged.
The year after that, I would look at seeing if Murphy wants to step down as captain to focus on his last couple of years of footy (a-la Judd), with Gibbs stepping up to captain (or possibly someone else), with Cripps to be named VC.
Cripps would then be ripe for the captaincy from about 24 years of age.

 

[Jatz]

It will be interesting to see the shape of our Leadership Squad this year.
Henderson gone and it wouldn't surprise should one of Rowe or Jamison be ousted.

Wouldn't mind seeing: Murphy Gibbs Tuohy Docherty & Cripps

I think it's time for at least one young leader that's capable of taking on the responsibility and I feel Cripps and Docherty are capable.

You think Rowe would drop out? Was he in this year or have I just made that up?

I think 1 younger player would be good, not sure about 2 just yet.

 

[LordLucifer]

Following the club's lead in changing the coaching panel and a lot of the administration, might be an opportune time to revamp the leadership group with an eye to the future.

Captain - Marc Murphy
Vice-Captain - Sam Docherty
Deputy-Vice Captain - Dylan Buckley
Team Leader - Patrick Cripps
Team Leader - Mathew Kreuzer

 

[Blue__Balls]

Quite like the idea of one of the younger guys joining the group - would be good to have an advocate for that portion of our list to ensure the Leadership Group are getting balanced feedback and perspective.

I also like the idea of having "leaders" on each line, though we might be struggling to find a standout amongst our forwards.

Murph, Gibbs, Kreuzer should form the core.
Docherty over Cripps for me, give Patty some more time to focus on his own game, he'll be better for it in the long run. And to be honest, being left out of the leadership group won't change the way he leads on-field, just takes a bit of the pressure off.
Then one or two of Tuohy, Walker, Curnow and maybe Bell if he stays.

I feel Walker would be a good choice up front, but not sure how many games we can reasonably expect him to play this year.

 

[Jatz]

Rowe was one of the five but if Rowe brings his early year form into next year, he may not even be playing seniors.

I think age is overrated. If you've got the make up, desire and will to lead.............................then why not?

We're going to have many young players next year and Docherty & Cripps make for pretty good peer-leaders.

Well the Demons showed why not a couple of seasons ago.

Got no problem with getting a younger player in but would prefer not to throw more than one in.

Cripps and/or Docherty will be in the Leadership group at some point. No real rush in throwing them both in there asap.

 

[gandaal]

You can't have someone in the leadership group who's not in your best 22 at the start of the year. If we get some of the players that people believe are coming our way then that leaves Rowe in the VFL. So that leaves Rowe out.

I'm also very hesitant in putting a player in the leadership group who would be at another club if he'd had a better contract offer. As much as I like Kruze I don't want him in the leadership group.

And no way should Cripps be in the leadership group. Players in their first three seasons should not be worried about anything other than getting a game and improving their performance.

 

[Dominator_7]

Murph could not have been more impressive since mick has got the sack he has led the club brilliantly considering the lack of leaders at our club, he struggled with injuries for 2 years and being played out of position under mick partly due to those injuries, if he played for hawthorn he would be doing similar things to what Mitchell is doing but a faster version, he gets tagged and smashed every week by opposition players but what does he do about it ? does he complain, sook and look for an easy way out ? NO. He puts his head down works hard and never lets his team mates down, some people need to get some perspective about how good this guy has been for our football club if it wasn't for juddy the guy would have 4 bnf's under his belt he is a star and we should be greatful to have a leader like him.

Like x 100
Certainly did go up a few cogs once Mick left.
Wonder why that was the case.

 

[Jatz]

It's not for rushing them and we're not asking them to be captain and co-captain, so what's the bid deal if they want the job and we trust that they're up to it?

I can't see the pitfalls but only the benefits.

They're still developing as players. The leadership group entails a whole new lot of responsibilities. What's wrong with getting the senior guys to do it? The young blokes will get their time soon enough.

 

[T2B_]

Will trust the club to do whatever they do with Cripps. He already is proving his leadership onfield (not to mention off it), leading by example, taking the game by the scruff of the neck, being vocal.. etc etc. But if they deem him too young and want him to focus on his personal footy, so be it. There's no doubt he's a leader of the future, either way.

Definitely can see Doc being in there though. Nothing else needs to be said about that Blue boy.

 

[Blue__Balls]

It's not for rushing them and we're not asking them to be captain and co-captain, so what's the bid deal if they want the job and we trust that they're up to it?

I can't see the pitfalls but only the benefits.

I don't see a whole lot of benefit, really. We don't want guys to be thrown in there in the hopes that they become leaders - we want them to become leaders and earn the appointment. I'd rather have 8 candidates that are all deserving then have to narrow it down, rather than 3 standout leaders and a few "potentials".

 

[Blue__Balls]

Put down the 5 names you'd like to see in our leadership group and tell us why.

It's not big deal and we've got more important things on our plate right now but whichever way, there will be a surprise or two coming our way.

I've done so on the previous page.

Murphy
Gibbs
Kreuzer (has been a comment that he may not be appropriate if he was shopping himself around - I think he did so because we tried to play the game and failed)
Docherty
One of Walker, Tuohy, Curnow or Bell - all of whom bring different strengths to the table, but also have question marks (fitness, skills, trade-potential).

 

[JustaBattler]

Put down the 5 names you'd like to see in our leadership group and tell us why.

It's not big deal and we've got more important things on our plate right now but whichever way, there will be a surprise or two coming our way.

The Club needs play makers and organisers with a footy brain - capable of reading play and organising/directing in real time. We have had a bunch of blokes who are good individuals - and too little evidence of on field command and control.

Off field leadership is about committing to a culture and fostering it.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Whether Simpson is in the leadership group or not, he's a leader to the guys on his line. The leadership group should be a mix of culture influencers and playmakers, in my opinion.

 

[Blue__Balls]

So the difference we have is Kreuzer or Cripps then?

It really doesn't matter for now but when the time does come around, I'd sooner see a true leader adopted, than someone who has just been around longer.

Yep - I think at the heart of it we're in the same place.

Cripps has played 1 season - plenty of evidence of "second year blues" for young players once opposition clubs start putting a bit more time into them. I know Cripps was tagged at times this year, but clubs now have the entire off-season to watch his tapes and develop methods of shutting him down. He's going to need to navigate that attention next year.

For me, he's a natural leader and will do what he does regardless of whatever titles we throw his way. Let him grow and settle and take on the additional responsibilities once he's absolutely ready.

 

[JustaBattler]

Absolutely.....and one can't be shy in barking the instructions they feel strong about.

We haven't had those types other than Carrazzo for some time now.

Problem wit Carrazzo was - that he had poor execution skills - not an inspiring type to listen to. Leadership is about being able to do what you expect others to do - not just barking and waiving..still - Murphy/Gibbs/Judd/Kreuzer are not barking types - they are get in and do it types...

 

[HARKER]

Problem wit Carrazzo was - that he had poor execution skills - not an inspiring type to listen to. Leadership is about being able to do what you expect others to do - not just barking and waiving..still - Murphy/Gibbs/Judd/Kreuzer are not barking types - they are get in and do it types...

Great to have both qualities but it never held Carrazzo back, instructing the kids at training (always the loudest) and through games........again always the most instructive and direct leader on the ground.

There's no time on the field to have a quiet word in someones ear............it has to be strong, direct and even with a little intimidation where needed.

 

[JustaBattler]

Cripps has been in the system for 2 seasons and even in his first season he screamed "Leadership"

If he wanted the responsibility (and on-field it seems as though he does) it would be remiss of the CFC not to grant it to him........because he's too young.

Let the baker bake the bread....................and let leaders lead.

Every time someone quotes this piece of self serving Malthousism malarky - I can't help but think Malthou$e BS
why you ask?

because a successful enterprise is always a team effort multidisciplinary approach - Malthou$e was always about defining HIS space and HIS control and HIS preferences based on HIS prejudices and HIS need for authoritarianism combined with favoritism a TOXIC mix which destroys organisational culture and replaces it with nepotism|favouratism|and disenfranchised players who dare to have their own view an wish to express it on the outer.

Malthou$e and his let the baker bake is 19th century organisational command and control bulldust.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

If Cripps and the team think he's ready to be in the leadership group then there's no point holding him back just because of the year he was born. He's a natural leader regardless of whether or not it's an official appointment, but (if he feels ready) it would be nice to encourage and reward his commitment.

 

[Jatz]

Which senior guys Jatz?

Simpson won't be asked again. He doesn't need to be.
Jamison isn't a leader in my eyes.
Rowe may not get games.............if we do take Carlisle?
Walker has done his dash, I feel.

Why give it to a 25 year old just because of age and even then..................Who? Casboult?

No. If Docherty and Cripps are good suitors then why not be involved at the bottom end of the leadership group with the view of being in the top end some time in the not too distant future.

Murph, Gibbs, Kreuze (I'd be elevating him), Rowe (he's a real leader for our blue chip players) and then one of Cripps or Docherty.

Just my opinion. I'd also argue that even if they aren't in the group, doesn't mean they can't lead at points next season.

 

[JustaBattler]

Malthouse hasn't the copyright for that saying but I know why he had to say it..............but this thread isn't about Malthouse, is it?

I explained myself very succinctly - the thread is about leadership presumably - and leadership group - I can't make myself more clear about how much damage Malthou$e cause this Club - because he is clueless about leadership. I think all indicators are that Carlton is embracing a wholistic rather than silo approach to organisational culture.

in the context of genuine team versus little empires all over the place- I'd take genuine team every day/week/month/year.

if you are saying this is a bad way to run an organisation and culture - then say it.

 

[Crippa#9]

Problem wit Carrazzo was - that he had poor execution skills - not an inspiring type to listen to. Leadership is about being able to do what you expect others to do - not just barking and waiving..still - Murphy/Gibbs/Judd/Kreuzer are not barking types - they are get in and do it types...

Completely disagree.
It's not all about on field. Carrazzo was one of the key individuals at the club that ensured the young guys set standards the moment they arrive.

 

[JustaBattler]

Completely disagree.
It's not all about on field. Carrazzo was one of the key individuals at the club that ensured the young guys set standards the moment they arrive.

What are you disagreeing with - exactly?

 

[Blue__Balls]

Genuine question, because I wasn't around at the time - what was the vibe on Murphy being included in the Leadership Group so early in his career?

It's only in the last 12 months or so that he really seems to have settled into the captaincy, but was it anticipated that he was "ready" and a "natural leader" at the time? If so, are there particular reasons he's struggled since - did we do something wrong, was he not the right fit?

 

[JamisonRun40]

I would give Cripps another year in just being a player then in 2017 into the leadership group for a couple of years then maybe VC, then Captain. Whats the rush, he isn't going anywhere. Put Kreuzer into the leadership group and see how he handles it. It might not be his thing.