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[Mario the Lothario]

If Carey could kick 100 in 10 rounds, Dunstall would of done it in 8 AND given away a further 30.

Bullshit. Dunstall was a specialist chest mark.

Darren Pritchard would probably have a heavy tag these days so that would mean LESS goals for the big hairy silverback.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Bullshit. Dunstall was a specialist chest mark.

Darren Pritchard would probably have a heavy tag these days so that would mean LESS goals for the big hairy silverback.

So by this logic Plugger would've struggled too. Need I remind you how Williams went, at his height/weight, as the focal lead-up forward of a poor side?

Dunstall would be kicking 8 a game.

You really are an embarrassment to the forum Teflon.

 

[SA HAWK]

He could get it done quicker. If I were truthful, I'd say 8 or 9 rounds. Probably 9.

Any credibility you had is now shot.

 

[SA HAWK]

He could get it done quicker. If I were truthful, I'd say 8 or 9 rounds. Probably 9.

I just do not see how, under the modern umpiring rules, backmen would stop Carey.

Pre the second shoulder in 1997, which restricted his ability to mark above his head, Carey was exceptionally difficult to beat in a marking contest where defenders were ALLOWED to hold, chop the arms, block and put hands in the back in ways they aren't now.

I know this Bay13, and I'm North and you're Hawthorn, so if you say the sky is blue I'm meant to say its green, but on this one, you're wrong mate. If it makes you feel any better, I'll admit like Chris Langford was a better full back than Mick Martyn or that Leigh Matthews was better than any North onballer I've ever seen and shits on Boomer Harvey (sorry Boomer).

But Carey's mix of size, strength, ability and most importantly, football intelligence, means he was better at 21, and if he were playing now, would make him pretty much unstoppable. FFS - he was pretty much unstoppable at 21/22 anyway in a game that made life far more difficult for forwards.

Carey's positioning and ability to use his body was so much better than Buddy's is now. Hardly a slag on Buddy as I can't think of anyone who used his body in the marking contest as wel as Duck.

As I said, if he were playing now, 95 per cent of balls kicked to a comtest he was involved in would end up with him taking the mark or getting the free.

That may be so but when the ball hits the ground buddy is a million times better than the duck.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

That may be so but when the ball hits the ground buddy is a million times better than the duck.

What else would you expect from a crumbing forward?

Carey was the greatest ever player in the most crucial position on the field.

Franklin is a tall flanker. Franklin has more in common with Shannon Grant, than he does with the great Wayne Carey.

I don't know why people bother comparing them, it's irrelevant.

 

[John Bonney]

Would either Carey[the king]or Buddy[the prince]be able to get anywhere near Benny Cousins on a three day binge in any city Benny cared toname.
I dont think so boys.

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

That may be so but when the ball hits the ground buddy is a million times better than the duck.

Wrong again mate.

Carey was excellent below his knees, elite for a big man.

The best wet weather big man I've ever seen.

Buddy's athleticism helps him get to and stay in a lot of ground ball contests, but in terms of skill/ability/winning them, Carey has him comfortably covered.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

So by this logic Plugger would've struggled too.

To a similiar extent, yes. Playing on the SCG didn't hurt either.

Need I remind you how Williams went, at his height/weight, as the focal lead-up forward of a poor side?

Williams?

Dunstall would be kicking 8 a game.

Now and then. Dunstall was hardly a power forward, so under todays rules, and lacking Franklins pace, it would be hard to see Dunstall achieving that feat more than a handful of times a year. Dunstall also had to contend with a much more talented, multi faceted forward line whereas 80% of the current Hawthorn sides forward entries are funnelled through Franklin.

You really are an embarrassment to the forum Teflon.

You are an embarrassment to yourself for ever thinking this forum had lofty standards to live up to in the first place. Just how ****ing stupid are you?

 

[Cuzz09]

Longmire was good.
Buddy is good.
Carey was good.
Footy is good.
good is good.

 

[TimmehJC"]

Wrong again mate.

Carey was excellent below his knees, elite for a big man.

The best wet weather big man I've ever seen.

Buddy's athleticism helps him get to and stay in a lot of ground ball contests, but in terms of skill/ability/winning them, Carey has him comfortably covered.

Ok, lets set a few things straight. Yes, backman couldn't wrestle Carey anymore, but forwards can't wrestle with them either. Have a look at how many kicks are given against Buddy. He is stronger than most backmen and were he aloud to wrestle and throw them around like Carey could he would probably be better.
Also Carey, good below his knees for a big man, but buddy is a freak. At times he lets the ball hit the ground because he knows he can win it. Buddy also has 2 inches on Carey, so that makes his ground level work even more impressive.
Carey was a superstar, not going to try an argue that, and a lot better grab and kick that Buddy, but please stop with this back in the day crap. The modern game works against forwards as much as (if not more) it works for them. They don't have the space to run into that they used to (eg Pagan's Paddock), they can't over power their opponents etc.x

 

[Mario the Lothario]

Longmire was good.
Buddy is good.
Carey was outstanding.
Footy is good.
good is good.

That's better.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

They don't have the space to run into that they used to (eg Pagan's Paddock), they can't over power their opponents etc.x

This is another broad misconception. Pagans Paddock wasn't so much about advantaging Carey as it was about creating space for Allison, Abraham, Bell, Grant, Welsh, Schwass, Stevens etc. to run in to and score.

Pagan could not garauntee that Carey would mark the ball every time it went in to the forward line, but what he could virtually garauntee is that the opposition defenders were not going to be marking the ball against Carey. By pushing his quicker players up the ground, he gave them the advantage of streaming goalwards in open space when the ball hit the deck.

This would be obvious to you, if you knew the slightest thing about football.

 

[TimmehJC"]

This is another broad misconception. Pagans Paddock wasn't so much about advantaging Carey as it was about creating space for Allison, Abraham, Bell, Grant, Welsh, Schwass, Stevens etc. to run in to and score.

Pagan could not garauntee that Carey would mark the ball every time it went in to the forward line, but what he could virtually garauntee is that the opposition defenders were not going to be marking the ball against Carey. By pushing his quicker players up the ground, he gave them the advantage of streaming goalwards in open space when the ball hit the deck.

This would be obvious to you, if you knew the slightest thing about football.

It was an example of forward line space compared to now. And while it made it easier for the other forwards it definatly helped out Carey too.

Back to my point, it isn't any easier for forwards now that 10-15 years ago.

 

[Mario the Lothario]

It was an example of forward line space compared to now.

Care to explain to me what "Clarkos Cluster" is?

The fact is that all sides push numbers up the ground now.

And while it made it easier for the other forwards it definatly helped out Carey too.

It assisted Carey somewhat. The Paddock wasn't even around when Carey was splitting packs and taking overhead marks. It was as much devised to deal withy that fact that Carey wasn't holding as many marks due to having bung shoulders and three opponents hanging off him.

Back to my point, it isn't any easier for forwards now that 10-15 years ago.

Yes and No. I don't think it's any easier for crumbing or outside forwards due to the flooding, rolling defences closing speeds of modern defenders. However, the rule changes of the modern era would have made life for power forwards like Carey an absolute dream and this is where the real difference lies for me. Franklin is not a true power forward, and this is why I always question any comparison between he and Carey.

Wayne Carey prior to 1997 would have completely destroyed the competition under todays rulings and interpretations. He would easily have bagged 150 plus goals a year over multiple years.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

Bullshit. Dunstall was a specialist chest mark.

Darren Pritchard would probably have a heavy tag these days so that would mean LESS goals for the big hairy silverback.

i think he means the fact that Dunstall did alot of assist goals that yes he could have kicked himself but he gave to others to kick cause he was not selfish !

 

[Mario the Lothario]

i think he means the fact that Dunstall did alot of assist goals that yes he could have kicked himself but he gave to others to kick cause he was not selfish !

So what is your point?

I'd happily wager my house that Carey gave more goal assists than any other player in football history.

 

[Sharkey]

So what is your point?

I'd happily wager my house that Carey gave more goal assists than any other player in football history.

Opinion masquerading as fact, well done.
I'll happily wager my house that Buddy Franklin is a better player at 21 than Carey ever was.
See how this works?

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

so what is your point?

I'd happily wager my house that carey gave more goal assists than any other player in football history.

you are a tool , i told you what i thought he meant ! That dunstall gave off ones he could have kicked himself , i was not getting into a debate about that womanizer carey ! Cause i was not talking about him ! Yes he was a good player not debating that at all!

 

[The dele larmer]

The Question is who is the Bigger Womaniser Carey or Franklin? I think what I have heard about Lance this could be his downfall!

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

The Question is who is the Bigger Womaniser Carey or Franklin? I think what I have heard about Lance this could be his downfall!

Buddy is not married like Carey was he also has a girl friend at the moment [ when it was in paper last anyway] when he is married the worry about it but while he is not well all guys go through a heap of women as if they were sand , don't deny it guys i know it's true !

anyway i have heard a rumor about a bomber player which i won't tell

 

[Peter Jeffries]

Wayne Carey prior to 1997 would have completely destroyed the competition under todays rulings and interpretations. He would easily have bagged 150 plus goals a year over multiple years.

How's that nasal delivery technology working out for you Deano?
Were you able to restrain yourself as you typed this wank fodder or did you use the squeeze technique?

 

[Mario the Lothario]

you are a tool , i told you what i thought he meant ! That dunstall gave off ones he could have kicked himself , i was not getting into a debate about that womanizer carey ! Cause i was not talking about him ! Yes he was a good player not debating that at all!

You obviously haven't had your breakfast yet.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Why would i be crying tool , we WON the Grand Final ! you did not win it did you this year ! you can not seem to get to the Prelim ! let alone the Grand final if you are lucky in 09 you may get closer then again you may not make the 8 seeing your club shafted Thommo , your only hope at kicking a bag full gone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, THEY won - YOU watched.

 

[Flawed Genius]

You obviously haven't had your breakfast yet.

One of Kellogg's lesser known products.

 

[HAWKS HEROES]

You obviously haven't had your breakfast yet.

you're right i haven't