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fishardansin said:
No. They should be made in professional labs and their sale regulated. This way we can reduce the harm of using them, not fund psychopathic criminals and collect tax upon it to help fund rehab and other things to minimise the impact upon the community.
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hang on, are you saying we should take the billions of dollars of revenue from the worlds 2nd or 3rd biggest industry out of the hands of crime gangs, as well as the enormous sums needed to police prohibition, and put it all into the hands of governments for education, hospitals, and intervention programs?

Doesn't make any sense!
 

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Lance Uppercut said:
something I can't work out... I'd ask this on the Saints board, as it's come up there a lot, but obviously I can't because it's understandably a private thread... and it came up a fair bit on here anyway, most notably from my absolute favourite poster Akka76

But how on earth does anyone thing EFC could have known about this? Serious question. The guy quit the club the minute the siren rang on the Collingwood game. And that was nearly 2 months ago. I can't imagine there's been too many back and forths.

So how the hell would EFC know what he's been getting up to in nightclubs on the other side of the world. Anyone?
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I heard Essendon kept a spreadsheet.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
something I can't work out... I'd ask this on the Saints board, as it's come up there a lot, but obviously I can't because it's understandably a private thread... and it came up a fair bit on here anyway, most notably from my absolute favourite poster Akka76

But how on earth does anyone thing EFC could have known about this? Serious question. The guy quit the club the minute the siren rang on the Collingwood game. And that was nearly 2 months ago. I can't imagine there's been too many back and forths.

So how the hell would EFC know what he's been getting up to in nightclubs on the other side of the world. Anyone?
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Just emotional time for Saints supporters I guess.

1. We're pretty sick of 'scandals', that in our view have been often blown way out of proportion in the media and other clubs scandals seem ignored relatively quickly. Having another one, that is in very little way our fault, is pretty disappointing given the efforts that our new coach, CEO and president have gone to improve the club and its trajectory. For an outsider, and one that we had pursued aggressively and paid a hefty price for, to threaten that progress (potential effects on sponsorship etc) made me and some other Saints fans angry.
2. It seemed fishy that it came out immediately after the trade rather than before it, and Dodoro was running a hard bargain and in our eyes utilising the media aggressively whereas we negotiated more behind closed doors. Because of Dodoro's work through the media beforehand, I guess the temptation was there to link the media effort from Essendon beforehand, with the media discussion of the trade afterwards.
3. We still remember Lovett - 2009 might have been different for us and we have been waiting a while!

I think Essendon (and St Kilda) would have both known about some of Carlisle's nocturnal past-times before recruiting him and St Kilda felt on the balance of information they had at the time that it was worth the risk.

I hate Essendon just as much as the next decent person, and quite frankly their supplements programme and subsequent response to it disgusted me, but I don't think the blame can be put on them in the case.
 
Given that ACA contacted the manager the day before for comment I'm surprised they didn't also contact Essendon or potential suitors...can't believe there was a ceiling on their grubbiness
 
Plugger35 said:
really no worse than Hodge's drink driving incident and he wasn't suspended or sacked so why should Carlisle be?
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Hodge was convicted of low level drink driving apparently thinking he was under the limit. I don't have trouble believing that story. If Carlisle snorted coke, there's really no way he could have convinced himself that he was doing something legal and morally upstanding.

Seems like one guy thought he was obeying the law through poor judgement while the other guy thought "**** the law, I'm Jake Carlisle!"
 
Channel Nine news promo: "Jake Carlisle sorry for his white-line fever".
Wonder how long the media will run with this story.
Preseason..
His first game with the Saints...
etc etc.
Sub-Editors delight.
 
asian kittens said:
Hodge was convicted of low level drink driving apparently thinking he was under the limit. I don't have trouble believing that story. If Carlisle snorted coke, there's really no way he could have convinced himself that he was doing something legal and morally upstanding.

Seems like one guy thought he was obeying the law through poor judgement while the other guy thought "**** the law, I'm Jake Carlisle!"
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Impaired driving is not "**** the law I'm look Hodge" ?
 
eggtardo said:
Given that ACA contacted the manager the day before for comment I'm surprised they didn't also contact Essendon or potential suitors...can't believe there was a ceiling on their grubbiness
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mehow2g said:
Impaired driving is not "**** the law I'm look Hodge" ?
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Not when you don't believe you're driving under the legal blood alcohol limit.

Hodge was convicted of low level drink driving. His story about how much he drank and when he stopped drinking seems reasonable. I've got no reason to not believe his story. If you have some sort of proof that Hodge knew he was over and drove anyway, feel free to share it with the rest of us.
 
eggtardo said:
Given that ACA contacted the manager the day before for comment I'm surprised they didn't also contact Essendon or potential suitors...can't believe there was a ceiling on their grubbiness
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mehow2g said:
Impaired driving is not "**** the law I'm look Hodge" ?
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Not when you don't believe you're driving under the legal blood alcohol limit.

Hodge was convicted of low level drink driving. His story about how much he drank and when he stopped drinking seems reasonable. I've got no reason to not believe his story. If you have some sort of proof that Hodge knew he was over and drove anyway, feel free to share it with the rest of us.
 
so... I've read around the traps that the Saints players are a bit filthy with him, and that Riewoldt particularly is cross and is going to give him a bake in front of his team mates for being so stupid as to let questionable behaviour occur and get on to social media...

How the **** is he going to do that with a straight face?

This is how I'm picturing Jake's reaction:

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Lance Uppercut said:
so... I've read around the traps that the Saints players are a bit filthy with him, and that Riewoldt particularly is cross and is going to give him a bake in front of his team mates for being so stupid as to let questionable behaviour occur and get on to social media...

How the **** is he going to do that with a straight face?

This is how I'm picturing Jake's reaction:

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Lance Uppercut said:
so... I've read around the traps that the Saints players are a bit filthy with him, and that Riewoldt particularly is cross and is going to give him a bake in front of his team mates for being so stupid as to let questionable behaviour occur and get on to social media...

How the **** is he going to do that with a straight face?

This is how I'm picturing Jake's reaction:

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He even rubs his nose.. and so does the guy over his shoulder actually.
 
I doubt the Saints players would be filthy with Carlisle, most of them probably wouldn't give a shit and will just see it for the media beat up it is.

The majority would still be away on off season holidays too so how would the media know they are filthy, did they contact them all individually?

When Carlisle rocks up to pre-season training it will probably just be business as usual, apart from maybe having a discussion with the leadership group.
 
Plugger35 said:
The majority would still be away on off season holidays too so how would the media know they are filthy, did they contact them all individually?
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Caro has thourthes that indicated a phone hook up with the leadership group who were filthy.
 
I'm sure Saint Nick has partaken in some cocaine over the years. Most of us have. Another BIG deal, NOT. ****ing filth media, let the boys have some fun on the holidays - they've worked for it.
 
Beerfish said:
Caro has thourthes that indicated a phone hook up with the leadership group who were filthy.
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Good old Caro and her thourthes, they seem to have the inside word at every AFL club 24/7 all year round, incredible.
 
Plugger35 said:
Good old Caro and her thources, they seem to have the inside word at every AFL club 24/7 all year round, incredible.
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Tell me about it. The sooner people stop talking to her the better off everyone will be.
 
Plugger35 said:
I doubt the Saints players would be filthy with Carlisle, most of them probably wouldn't give a shit and will just see it for the media beat up it is.

The majority would still be away on off season holidays too so how would the media know they are filthy, did they contact them all individually?
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Finnis said they were I believe and I reckon he would have a fair idea of what he is talking about.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
hang on, are you saying we should take the billions of dollars of revenue from the worlds 2nd or 3rd biggest industry out of the hands of crime gangs, as well as the enormous sums needed to police prohibition, and put it all into the hands of governments for education, hospitals, and intervention programs?

Doesn't make any sense!
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I know I couldn't give you any good reasoning for my position. I just have a gut feel about this one.

Sure organised crime wouldn't have over 50% of their wealth, which would lead to them being less powerful so they couldn't control political and policing leaders, which lead to them being less powerful. But what's the issue with organised crime?

Sure having billions of dollars disappear into the black market every year means all legitimate pursuits lose capital from circulation, but **** them they've got enough cash.

I know freeing up police to spend more time on traffic control and violence would see a greater impact on improving our lives, but where would the inspiration for many of our best TV shows come from?
 
Saints, this is why you interview people before giving them 700k contracts. Onya, Bev. Saved our arse's on this one.
 
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