Final hurrah? Why? We play Essendon and Collingwood again - isn't there a CHANCE at least ONE of them could be our final hurrah this year. 
Hell, next week may be our final hurrah even.
Hell, next week may be our final hurrah even.
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Carlton – Was the Wok Cup the Final Hurrah?
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Amazing how some of you regurgitate the same sh.!te, post after post!!! So what, we cheated a set of rules that go against the basic principles of a democratic, free market and has faciltated weaker clubs (ala aints, dogs) to benefit from their mediocrity via draft picks, salary caps, etc.
Don't be fooled, if the rules never changed to what they were for 90 years, you would all still be struggling. Yeah, it has been great for the under-achievers! And OK, I know that is all in the past.
Yeah, we broke the rules. It is history now. Whatever other supporters may think about whether we have learned or not is purely subjective.
The system promotes that the greater you fail, the better access you have to the drip fed draft system and the ability to recruit top line talent. Carlton needs to either make the eight (unlikely) or finish as low as possible and with less than 6 wins. Trade players who dont form a part of the future for players/picks and bide your time and wait for it to gel.
There a many case scenarios that highlight that this is the only method to potentially achieve ultimate success. Aints, cats, dees, eagles, all have had their turn down the bottom and are now building towards a GF.
We cant buy players, we cant recruit kids and develop them at the club like the old days with under 19's and so forth. So we can only improve within what the system allows and that's by getting top draft picks. There is no miracle solution. When the system finally caught up with us in 2002 we had our chance to pick the best available talent taken away by the AFL. I think our next opportunity will not be far away.
Carlton wont disappear and fold. It wont forever be down the bottom. The AFL is about cyclical success. How homogeneous can you get???
Don't be fooled, if the rules never changed to what they were for 90 years, you would all still be struggling. Yeah, it has been great for the under-achievers! And OK, I know that is all in the past.
Yeah, we broke the rules. It is history now. Whatever other supporters may think about whether we have learned or not is purely subjective.
The system promotes that the greater you fail, the better access you have to the drip fed draft system and the ability to recruit top line talent. Carlton needs to either make the eight (unlikely) or finish as low as possible and with less than 6 wins. Trade players who dont form a part of the future for players/picks and bide your time and wait for it to gel.
There a many case scenarios that highlight that this is the only method to potentially achieve ultimate success. Aints, cats, dees, eagles, all have had their turn down the bottom and are now building towards a GF.
We cant buy players, we cant recruit kids and develop them at the club like the old days with under 19's and so forth. So we can only improve within what the system allows and that's by getting top draft picks. There is no miracle solution. When the system finally caught up with us in 2002 we had our chance to pick the best available talent taken away by the AFL. I think our next opportunity will not be far away.
Carlton wont disappear and fold. It wont forever be down the bottom. The AFL is about cyclical success. How homogeneous can you get???
it will always be brought up when you have cretin supporters like Slurry and Deej who point the finger at clubs with accusations of impropriety and infer that theirs is the only club with pride.inyourcool said:
its amazing that free market capitalism and democracy are so often assumed to be the same thing. they arent.inyourcool said:
you are part of a competition, you cheated the rules, you got caught, you paid a heavy sentence, play on. dont try to justify it by slurring the rules as somehow wrong (which they arent) because they are socialist (which is such a vague term that it hardly applies anyway)
ryan2000 said:
Squaaaaaaaaawk! What? It's not parrot?
We don't go on about it. That's parrot - he's supposedly a Carlton supporter in case you hadn't noticed.
Eagles fans have something better to talk about than a pre-season GF loss. Like how the season's going so far.
ryan2000 said:
Oh dear. The only person - and I mean only - who goes on about the Wok Cup final is parrot, like its some magic talisman that makes Carlton better than the current league leaders. Most Carlton supporters realise it means nothing, and West Coast supporters have something else to focus on.
It would have been nice to win. We've never won one of those before, but even before the game most West Coast supporters were prepared to trade it for four points at Football Park in round 1.
ryan2000 said:
Isn't this an odd year, and Melbourne are second on the ladder - and already out of priority pick range. Guess that theory's out the door then.
ryan2000 said:
Twice.... about the same number of times Carlton's finished in the PP positions in recent years. Oh, and they've done it more recently than Carlton have, so surely you can't expect their development to have got that far just yet.
ryan2000 said:
Again, twice.
ryan2000 said:
Is that the best you can do? I've not noticed Carlton fans being described as feral, that's Richmond's stereotype, or Collingwood or Port. Like St Kilda being bandwagoners, or Adelaide and West Coast being chardonnay sippers, or Sydney fans not understanding the game. You lot are seen as toffs, not ferals. Or cheats, but that's more the club than the fans.
ryan2000 said:
Hell, we didn't really care either. Was nice to make it, would have been nicer to win it, but hell, its not worth one premiership point. Hell, most of *your* fans don't really care and would give the cup to West Coast for some of the Eagles premiership points.
ryan2000 said:
No thanks, ask your mum.
inyourcool said:Amazing how some of you regurgitate the same sh.!te, post after post!!! So what, we cheated a set of rules that go against the basic principles of a democratic, free market and has faciltated weaker clubs (ala aints, dogs) to benefit from their mediocrity via draft picks, salary caps, etc.
Don't be fooled, if the rules never changed to what they were for 90 years, you would all still be struggling. Yeah, it has been great for the under-achievers! And OK, I know that is all in the past.
Yeah, we broke the rules. It is history now. Whatever other supporters may think about whether we have learned or not is purely subjective.
The system promotes that the greater you fail, the better access you have to the drip fed draft system and the ability to recruit top line talent. Carlton needs to either make the eight (unlikely) or finish as low as possible and with less than 6 wins. Trade players who dont form a part of the future for players/picks and bide your time and wait for it to gel.
There a many case scenarios that highlight that this is the only method to potentially achieve ultimate success. Aints, cats, dees, eagles, all have had their turn down the bottom and are now building towards a GF.
We cant buy players, we cant recruit kids and develop them at the club like the old days with under 19's and so forth. So we can only improve within what the system allows and that's by getting top draft picks. There is no miracle solution. When the system finally caught up with us in 2002 we had our chance to pick the best available talent taken away by the AFL. I think our next opportunity will not be far away.
Carlton wont disappear and fold. It wont forever be down the bottom. The AFL is about cyclical success. How homogeneous can you get???
$11 million loss.
SurreyBlue said:
Carlton 2004 - $11 million loss
St.Kilda 2004 - $1 million profit
Which club is stopping the comp progressing to a viable robust new world?
Idiot
Abaddon said:
Excuses.
$11 million loss is an $11 million loss.
Would you rather an $11 million loss or a $1 million profit?
Joffaboy said:
The stand was an asset Joffa. It's not gonna stop the AFL from progressing.
Funkalicous said:
Obviously you dont know the definition of an asset.
Have a look. You dont write off something defined as an asset. It was carried in the Carlton books when it had no intrinsic worth.
A huge blow to Carlton and shows how bad they are going.
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Joffaboy said:
of course you would prefer a $1m profit...
but if you are going to devaluate assets, its pretty obvious that a football stadium used for hosting AFL matches that no longer hosts AFL matches is going to devaluate immensely.
Joffaboy said:
Shows how bad Princes Park is actually....
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Joffaboy said:
it had intrinsic worth when it was an AFL venue. its no longer an AFL venue.
Carlton's home ground for AFL matches is the MCG and Telstra Dome.
The stadium has little or no value now, hence the massive write-off.
The Carlton football club will prosper at its new home grounds.
Carlton are ********
looking more and more like the wizard cup was a total fluke
14 goal thrashing last week, 11 goals this week, carlton are an absolute rabble
14 goal thrashing last week, 11 goals this week, carlton are an absolute rabble
zero said:
Should get the wheel turning though. I would love to elaborate on that, but some people will jump down my throat.
evo
Let's hit the f*ken road!
LOL.So what you're saying is you sacked a coach who won a spoon.Well woopy do.Every club does that.We just did it ourselves.LMAO@claiming Carlton have some special pride no other clubs possess.Where was that famous pride last week as the spooners hand you a spanking or this week as Geelong hand you another?Most expensive coach in the caper and still getting spanked.SurreyBlue said:
At least Port and Freo bounced back after a spanking,seems your club,proud as you claim it to be doesn't seem capable.
Sadly Surrey, misplaced arrogance doesn't win you games.
zero said:
My post doesn't intimate that they are the same. It is just mentioned to remind that we do live in a democratic society and essentially go about or business and trade based on free market principles. The AFL system does not reflect these ideologies. This cannot be argued as that's what it is
zero said:
yes we are part of the system and the club DID cheat these rules, DID accept the penalties and DID move on. Nowhere in my post does it suggest that the rules are wrong. I don't agree with them but I don't claim that they are incorrect. They are stifling and restrictive. They are great for clubs, who if they were required to fend for themsleves without these equalisation methods would not be as competitive over the long term like clubs who have historically shown to achieve more success.
Carlton need to improve their list significantly. How do we best go about doing it? We need to finish as low as possible and choose players in a controlled environment. We cant go and do anything about it ourselves in terms of locating players and recruiting them on our own accord. Unlike in the past. How is that good for my club who used to do it as well as any club and managed regular success? Great for other clubs who were perennial underachievers.
So what, we are a rabble now. We will bottom out and position ourselves well in the draft and at the trade table to improve our situation. We will then begin our slow climb back up. As is currently being done by the aints, eagles, etc.
What a paper loss has to do with my post jaffleboy is baffling!
Well said Evoevo said:
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