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Carlton Deals ??
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Re: Rumours and innuendo.
i feel like a bit of a broken record here but anyway here goes...
judd can not be traded this year. your only hope of getting judd is to pick up headland and hope that you can trade him to the eagles next year.
i feel like a bit of a broken record here but anyway here goes...
judd can not be traded this year. your only hope of getting judd is to pick up headland and hope that you can trade him to the eagles next year.
Re: Re: Rumours and innuendo.
Ah, no.
Beaumont and McKay are better backmen than young Jess.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that we have lots of blokes who can play his position.
Ah, no.
Beaumont and McKay are better backmen than young Jess.
I'm not saying he's a bad player, just that we have lots of blokes who can play his position.
Well, no. Why would you? It's the idea, though, of a reasonable but temperamental player who could be excellent for a solid but unspectacular player so that you get the better end of the bargain.
That's the way Port works- they always want to think they've screwed you on a trade.
Re: Re: Rumours and innuendo.
Hell, yeah I'm optimistic.
But I can't remember how many times we've heard form various sources that this years draft lacks depth.
With this in mind the first pick in the second round is still the 18th best (in theory) youngster in the country, and a valuable pick. For reference, Campo was pick 16 or so.
Freo lacks midfielders, and Freeborn is a reasonable one. They do not lack talls. They can get a reasonable back-up midfielfder and possibly pick up a Simon Black in the draft (he went much lower than 18 in the draft) . This is a good result if they don't want him, or he doesn't want to be there (the trade rumour originated from the west).
Hell, yeah I'm optimistic.
But I can't remember how many times we've heard form various sources that this years draft lacks depth.
With this in mind the first pick in the second round is still the 18th best (in theory) youngster in the country, and a valuable pick. For reference, Campo was pick 16 or so.
Freo lacks midfielders, and Freeborn is a reasonable one. They do not lack talls. They can get a reasonable back-up midfielfder and possibly pick up a Simon Black in the draft (he went much lower than 18 in the draft) . This is a good result if they don't want him, or he doesn't want to be there (the trade rumour originated from the west).
Juddy
I'm not saying it will happen, just that it's what would be good for us.
I'm not saying it will happen, just that it's what would be good for us.
Re: Re: Re: Rumours and innuendo.
They were both better performed last year?
Sinclair is 23. Pagan would take him over Beaumont, maybe not for quick impact, but for the 10 years he has left in his career.
They were both better performed last year?
Sinclair is 23. Pagan would take him over Beaumont, maybe not for quick impact, but for the 10 years he has left in his career.
bluechampion you certainly have those navy blue coloured glasses firmly on if you think Beaumont in better than Sinclair.
Beaumont would struggle to find a spot in most other sides, and I think once the Blues have a fully fit list with some youngster pressing through, Beaumont will be gone.
Agree with McKay though, he is the only class left in the BLues backline.
I am not saying Sinclair is AA material (yet), but he played very well at the tail end of the year, and I hope like hell Pagan is not able to lure him to the Blues.
Beaumont would struggle to find a spot in most other sides, and I think once the Blues have a fully fit list with some youngster pressing through, Beaumont will be gone.
Agree with McKay though, he is the only class left in the BLues backline.
I am not saying Sinclair is AA material (yet), but he played very well at the tail end of the year, and I hope like hell Pagan is not able to lure him to the Blues.
Beaumont.
Both Shagga#6 and NorthBhoy: Beaumont is a very good player. Has good disposal, reaosnable speed, and plays tall. He would fit very easily in the North Melbourne side. He is our best backman at the moment (hardly a massive claim i know), but has versatility.
He has played on a number of different players with some success, from Lloyd to N. Brown to Peter Matera.
He is vastly underrated, and as such i will forgive your comments.
Both Shagga#6 and NorthBhoy: Beaumont is a very good player. Has good disposal, reaosnable speed, and plays tall. He would fit very easily in the North Melbourne side. He is our best backman at the moment (hardly a massive claim i know), but has versatility.
He has played on a number of different players with some success, from Lloyd to N. Brown to Peter Matera.
He is vastly underrated, and as such i will forgive your comments.
Re: Beaumont.
I think Beaumont is a very good player.
I simply stated that looking ahead, I would take Sinclair, and I reckon Carlton would also.
I think Beaumont is a very good player.
I simply stated that looking ahead, I would take Sinclair, and I reckon Carlton would also.
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
I'm sorry, I am not one of the more biased posters on this board but there's no way that you need to have navy blue glasses on to see that Beaumont is better than Sinclair. For starters, Beaumont's been a good player for three years now (Sinclair just this year), who has played and beaten the likes of Tarrant, Richo, Hird and Lloyd. He can play on a small or a tall. He is CLEARLY better than Sinclair. Sinclair has a couple of years on him but that is all. Sinclair had a good season, good on him, but Beaumont's a good player and would find a spot in most teams.
Again, I hope this is not directed at me.
I have already said Beaumont is a very good player, and yes, he would get a game in most sides.
Sinclair has 4 years on him, and Carlton would happily do the trade IMO.
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Originally posted by dummo
what are the rumours about carlton all i have herd are
jess sinclair to carlton (not sure for what though)
croad for pick 2
judd for pick 2
allan for spider
toia (again not sure for what though)
caracella for allan
Look, 'Dummo', If Carlton and St.Kilda were involved in an Allan - Everitt deal, you'd have to offer us a truckload more than a player whose already quit (or close enough to) his club!
Everitt has stated he is more than willing to play for us next year if the club wants him. The club hasn't ruled out trading him, hence I reckon I'd be trying to secure my future as well if I was him. No point waiting to get the axe if you can avoid it.
Allan + Houlihan + plus Blues 3rd pick for Everitt. That's the least you'll get him for, and it won't measure up to what we'll be offered by other clubs. I'd be very dissappointed if we got two hot/colders and a draft pick, but this may well be what we have to settle for if we can't get the desired trade to Hawthorn or West Coast...who have some very nice tradeable players/draft picks
Why would Blues trade Allan for a one-sided trade like that? Blues are better off keeping Allan, which would almost certainly never have been a problem under a different President.
Judd cannot be traded for another year, so he is out of any equation. I agree with Sporny, Croad has devalued since last year and is on way too high a salary, and Blues have already knocked back a trade proposal for him based on pick 2, rightly so.
Blues would be crazy to use pick 2 on any player likely to be available in a trade. It is worth taking the risk on Wells, who has at least said he is willing to go to Carlton under Pagan, unlike Headland who did everything he could to avoid Brisbane selecting him.
Eagles need Gardiner, so why would they be looking to trade him? Not worth it for Headland, they lose their key ruckman.
Anyone who says Lance is not a CHF has no bloody idea. He is rated in the top 3 smartest players in the comp by the players, along with Ratten and Voss, and is at his best at CHF.
In the 2nd half of 2002, Corey was back to about his best forward form since 1996/97. Unfortunately, he was forced to ruck in most games, which restricted his ability to stay inside 50, and led to him getting problems with his dodgy knee. He is well suited as the 2nd forward closer to goal with Lance at CHF in the Blues setup. Corey makes a good leading high marking option with Lance as usual using his brains to outwit opponents, leading them up the ground and doubling back or around to win the ball.
Judd cannot be traded for another year, so he is out of any equation. I agree with Sporny, Croad has devalued since last year and is on way too high a salary, and Blues have already knocked back a trade proposal for him based on pick 2, rightly so.
Blues would be crazy to use pick 2 on any player likely to be available in a trade. It is worth taking the risk on Wells, who has at least said he is willing to go to Carlton under Pagan, unlike Headland who did everything he could to avoid Brisbane selecting him.
Eagles need Gardiner, so why would they be looking to trade him? Not worth it for Headland, they lose their key ruckman.
Anyone who says Lance is not a CHF has no bloody idea. He is rated in the top 3 smartest players in the comp by the players, along with Ratten and Voss, and is at his best at CHF.
In the 2nd half of 2002, Corey was back to about his best forward form since 1996/97. Unfortunately, he was forced to ruck in most games, which restricted his ability to stay inside 50, and led to him getting problems with his dodgy knee. He is well suited as the 2nd forward closer to goal with Lance at CHF in the Blues setup. Corey makes a good leading high marking option with Lance as usual using his brains to outwit opponents, leading them up the ground and doubling back or around to win the ball.
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Beaumont for Sinclair....?
Carlton fans would be dancing in the street. Sinclair is a classy player, quick, finds the footy and is very underrated.
Beaumont...eehhh....nahhh...he's ok, but nowhere near Sinclair.
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
Underrated? If so he's fast becoming overrated. Sinclair is a dime a dozen. He's pretty good, but he's only proven it over about 6 games. Do you see Sinclair playing on (and beating) the likes of (or players of similar standing as) Hird, Lloyd, Richo and Tarrant?
I would not be dancing in the street if we traded Beaumont for Sinclair. In fact I'd be absolutely furious. "Dancing in the street" - gotta be one of bigfooty's most ridiculous statements of 2002.
Beaumont is a shining light in our team...I can't see myself dancing in the street...
You reckon??? What about:
here's my tip
Beaumont will do better in the 2003 brownlow than sinclair.
beaumont has put the rusn on the boeard and plays tall and brings the ball to the ground on guys like trendrea and hird, sinclair is more of the type would would rove that loose ball and run it back up the ground, together they would be great and he would be a great replacement for macca, but in saying that i'd rather we didn't poach him as he is one of pagans favourites.
Dennis it's time to get the same results you were just starting to get with sinclair with our list of youngsters.
blake campbell, justin davies and trent sporn step on up
Beaumont will do better in the 2003 brownlow than sinclair.
beaumont has put the rusn on the boeard and plays tall and brings the ball to the ground on guys like trendrea and hird, sinclair is more of the type would would rove that loose ball and run it back up the ground, together they would be great and he would be a great replacement for macca, but in saying that i'd rather we didn't poach him as he is one of pagans favourites.
Dennis it's time to get the same results you were just starting to get with sinclair with our list of youngsters.
blake campbell, justin davies and trent sporn step on up
Beaumont can play on talls?
The job he did on David Neitz was superb this year, got 5 goals kicked on him in a half before they put Livingston on him for another 4 in the next half (though i'm not sure anyone could stop Neitz that day).
If Carlton are going to be successful at all next season they need someone better than Beaumont to play on key forwards, he does not have the strength although finding key backmen is not easy. As for Beaumont stopping Llyod, how is this so, how many times has he played on him as you have had Silvagni in the past and also Llyod has averaged 4.5 half goals a game the last 4 meetings between the clubs, not exactly stopping him. Also i think anybody could have played on Richo the last time Carlton played against him as Richo was shocking that night.
The job he did on David Neitz was superb this year, got 5 goals kicked on him in a half before they put Livingston on him for another 4 in the next half (though i'm not sure anyone could stop Neitz that day).
If Carlton are going to be successful at all next season they need someone better than Beaumont to play on key forwards, he does not have the strength although finding key backmen is not easy. As for Beaumont stopping Llyod, how is this so, how many times has he played on him as you have had Silvagni in the past and also Llyod has averaged 4.5 half goals a game the last 4 meetings between the clubs, not exactly stopping him. Also i think anybody could have played on Richo the last time Carlton played against him as Richo was shocking that night.
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
Well done on picking out the one game where someone kicked a lot of goals on him. You said exactly what I was going to say though, no one would've stopped Neitz that day. I can honestly say that I cannot remember a performance against a Carlton team where the delivery was better to an opposition forward. Neitz never had to break stride, such was Yze (and others) form that day. I don't think Neitz took a contested mark on Beaumont - he didn't need to, the delivery was that good.
On the other hand, Matthew Lloyd had 5 goals in a half against Carlton in rd 22. We put Beaumont on him in the 2nd half and he doesn't get another.
See above comments. The rd 22 game was the first game where he'd played on Lloyd. He'd played on Hird in previous Carl v Ess games, and done a great job blanketing him.
Yes, he can.
Neitz was at his career best form. We had no one strong enough down at defense to handle him (we miss SOS). You also have to consider the superiorty of the Melbourne midfield; they delievered the ball to him very well. He got a constant supply of the sherrin.
Agreed. Let's hope Livingston and Thornton can build up some bulk. They have the skill and drive; but not the muscle. Experience comes later.
Err... Glenn Manton was always Lloyd's first opponent in the last four encounters. Sometimes he contained him, sometimes not. When the latter happened, Beaumont went on him. He didn't kick any more goals after Beauy was placed on him. So in fact, he did stop him to some sort of extent.
We're not only talking about this year, we're talking about previous years as well. SOS usually had the job on Richo (and usually did a fine job). But when Beaumont had him, he did pretty well if I can remember, perhaps only containing him to one or no goals.
I agree wholeheartedly with you that Beaumont is a good player. I think he is best suited to a half back flank though as he can blanket players but he can also run off players well and he cant really do this as effectively when he is on the oppositions best forward. So for Carltons sake they had better keep their draft picks and pick wisely and hope the positive development of Livingston continues. Then all they have to do is pick up a few midfielders which they will with Goddard.
I do think Pagan was a good choice for a young list as he instills fundamentals into a young team very well.
I am a Melbourne supporter but i feel i can give a honest assessment of Carlton instead of just bagging them like a lot of people.
I do think Pagan was a good choice for a young list as he instills fundamentals into a young team very well.
I am a Melbourne supporter but i feel i can give a honest assessment of Carlton instead of just bagging them like a lot of people.
The Spornstar
Premiership Player
True. Well done for not bagging us, which is all too easy for some. I agree that Beauy isn't best suited to key defender and is better suited to a flank. Unfortunately due to short sighted decisions by our match committee, he is often the best choice for experienced forwards.
BOWEY
With the time we have invested in Simon, it would be a crying shame if we were to even contemplate trading him. Remember all the chanting and the "dont kick it to Bowey"...hang on that was me.....oh well. But he has improved out of sight in the last 2 years. Id love two of Bowey in the team. One forward, one back.
With the time we have invested in Simon, it would be a crying shame if we were to even contemplate trading him. Remember all the chanting and the "dont kick it to Bowey"...hang on that was me.....oh well. But he has improved out of sight in the last 2 years. Id love two of Bowey in the team. One forward, one back.
I was getting a little concerned with Beaumont mid -season, but he came out of the trough and really stood strong in the 2nd half of the season. He now does quite well man-on-man for a guy of his build. Picking him up for his Neitz game shows how shallow the analysis is. No contested marks in those goals, and no pressure on the Melb mid-field. Easy pickings.
His main deficiency is his disposal, he often does not do enough with the ball, and gives away too many direct turnovers. His strength is his ability to get the ball and play taller than his height. And it is true that he is not really a key position player, he is far more suited to being the running flanker, where he can find space and his disposal improves.
His main deficiency is his disposal, he often does not do enough with the ball, and gives away too many direct turnovers. His strength is his ability to get the ball and play taller than his height. And it is true that he is not really a key position player, he is far more suited to being the running flanker, where he can find space and his disposal improves.
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