Banter Who will be Better in 2025, Collingwood or Carlton? Part 4

[Worm4]

I think it's awesome.

Whilst Carlton are beneficiaries of favourable fixtures and umpiring, their ladder position at the end of home and away grossly overstates their ability as a football club.

And whilst they continue to 'contend for finals', they truly believe they're not far behind the best teams in the competition, retain their coaching staff, and feel as though playing list improvement is not required.

Which does nothing but extend their current period of irrelevancy and mediocrity.

You looked at our fixture. It's cute that you do that.
Wouldn't have a clue or a care in the world who Collingwood play

 

[Arr0w]

I think they prefer the title of "neutrals"

And "unbiased"

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Do you want to provide some evidence of these things the AFL have done to help Carlton?

You can do your own research. It's not hard. Google 2024 AFL fixture and 2025 AFL fixture. Compare it to other clubs draws like the Pies...all the evidence you need.
There needs to be a brown paper bags inquiry into the AFL's scandalous and blatant Carlton favouritism in the fixturing. Check their bank accounts. We all know what Carlton are like.
The AFL are absolutely bending over backwards to skew the comp in Carlton's favour... But still Carlton will stuff it up.

 

[carlton_99]

You can do your own research. It's not hard. Google 2024 AFL fixture and 2025 AFL fixture. Compare it to other clubs draws like the Pies...all the evidence you need.
There needs to be a brown paper bags inquiry into the AFL's scandalous and blatant Carlton favouritism in the fixturing. Check their bank accounts. We all know what Carlton are like.
The AFL are absolutely bending over backwards to skew the comp in Carlton's favour... But still Carlton will stuff it up.

What about the evidence I provided for 2019, 2020 and 2021 which showed Carlton having far more difficult draws than their ladder position from the previous years?

Ignoring all evidence that goes against your own narrative is just confirmation bias.

 

[Cyclops]

Pies had more gimme games and still couldnt get there.
2 v Carlton
1 v west coast
1 v Richmond
1 v norf
2 v essendon

You concede Carlton games are gimmes for Collingwood, so you're admitting we were better in 2024?

Gone! Again!

 

[Robertio]

You can do your own research. It's not hard. Google 2024 AFL fixture and 2025 AFL fixture. Compare it to other clubs draws like the Pies...all the evidence you need.
There needs to be a brown paper bags inquiry into the AFL's scandalous and blatant Carlton favouritism in the fixturing. Check their bank accounts. We all know what Carlton are like.
The AFL are absolutely bending over backwards to skew the comp in Carlton's favour... But still Carlton will stuff it up.

Great melt.

 

[Robertio]

You concede Carlton games are gimmes for Collingwood, so you're admitting we were better in 2024?

Gone! Again!

Just look at the ladder

 

[Scritchyscroony]

What about the evidence I provided for 2019, 2020 and 2021 which showed Carlton having far more difficult draws than their ladder position from the previous years?

Ignoring all evidence that goes against your own narrative is just confirmation bias.

What's that got to do with the here and now?

 

[Scritchyscroony]

Great melt.

You know it's true ..
Especially the bit about Carlton still stuffing it up.

 

[carlton_99]

What's that got to do with the here and now?

Because it shows that teams get unfavourable draws some years and favourable ones in other years regardless of their ladder position. Until we play a 17- or 34- game season that is always going to be the case.

There is no conspiracy as many here are implying when Carlton have been on both sides of it in recent years just like every other team. It is just blatant confirmation bias

 

[McIvor]

It's becoming quite funny

About as funny as Carlton fans carrying on what a great addition Dan Houston would be only to label him a spud once Collingwood gets him with less currency ROFL.

 

[Fadge]

Because it shows that teams get unfavourable draws some years and favourable ones in other years regardless of their ladder position. Until we play a 17- or 34- game season that is always going to be the case.

There is no conspiracy as many here are implying when Carlton have been on both sides of it in recent years just like every other team. It is just blatant confirmation bias

I don't recall anyone suggesting there is some sort of conspiracy.

Just the simple fact Carlton have landed with a very favourable draw for the second consecutive year.

And it appears you're in agreement.

 

[Fadge]

About as funny as Carlton fans carrying on what a great addition Dan Houston would be only to label him a spud once Collingwood gets him with less currency ROFL.

I think the term was 'not a needle mover'...

 

[Robertio]

You know it's true ..
Especially the bit about Carlton still stuffing it up

2018 we won 2 games fast forward to 2024 we've made finals 2 seasons in a row, with Brian Cook and Graeme Wright on board and holding pick 3 currently. Yeah we are stuffing up big time.

 

[McIvor]

I think the term was 'not a needle mover'...

Which I assume Zac Williams is lol

 

[Fadge]

2018 we won 2 games fast forward to 2024 we've made finals 2 seasons in a row, with Brian Cook and Graeme Wright on board and holding pick 3 currently. Yeah we are stuffing up big time.

'The Finals Dynasty'.

Carlton supporters stoked at qualifying for finals two years in a row, and trying to poke fun at Collingwood supporters for missing the finals the year after a premiership.

It's all relative.

 

[Robertio]

About as funny as Carlton fans carrying on what a great addition Dan Houston would be only to label him a spud once Collingwood gets him with less currency ROFL.

Who said he would be a great addition, you just made that up.

 

[carlton_99]

About as funny as Carlton fans carrying on what a great addition Dan Houston would be only to label him a spud once Collingwood gets him with less currency ROFL.

You are just lying now - most people were happy to give up a first round pick and maybe a late pick. That is less than what Collingwood eventually gave up.

 

[Robertio]

'The Finals Dynasty'.

Ist to 9th is stuffing up, tell your mate that.

 

[Worm4]

You concede Carlton games are gimmes for Collingwood, so you're admitting we were better in 2024?

Gone! Again!

No, Collingwood had ample opportunity to finish higher, and failed miserably in that quest

 

[carlton_99]

I don't recall anyone suggesting there is some sort of conspiracy.

Just the simple fact Carlton have landed with a very favourable draw for the second consecutive year.

And it appears you're in agreement.

Saying that the AFL are deliberately manipulating the fixture to give Carlton more of a chance to finish near the top is the definition of a conspiracy. This is based on nothing but confirmation bias

 

[carlton_99]

Which I assume Zac Williams is lol

What does Williams have to do with Houston? They aren't even playing in the same position.

 

[Fadge]

'The Finals Dynasty'.

Carlton supporters stoked at qualifying for finals two years in a row, and trying to poke fun at Collingwood supporters for missing the finals the year after a premiership.

It's all relative.

Ist to 9th is stuffing up, tell your mate that.

Exhibit A

 

[Fadge]

What does Williams have to do with Houston? They aren't even playing in the same position.

It's about investing salary cap capital and draft capital to improve your list.

 

[Worm4]

About as funny as Carlton fans carrying on what a great addition Dan Houston would be only to label him a spud once Collingwood gets him with less currency ROFL.

We all know that didn't happen, unless you can prove by quoting a post suggesting that we labelled Houston a spud. I've seen many bullshit lies in here, that's right up there.