Review Cats keep season alive with 12 point win

[Mr Meow]

I'm well aware of the turnover stats from Saturday night

It's just having a laugh after the way Stewart was turning the ball over against Fremantle and then his first quarter against Port when he was doing the same thing

Maybe a simple "laugh emojis only, please" would be helpful for those types of posts. Those jokes, when not based on facts, are how we get some of the weirder narratives about players on here. The same has happened with a few other players that I won't get into.

 

[cats_09]

You make corrections to posters all the time and I've never found it offensive. But of course I will stop if it upsets you.

Not upset at all, just find funny how you seem to get upset at comments that aren't meant to be super seriously, where instead they've been posted for a laugh

 

[Mr Meow]

Not upset at all, just find funny how you seem to get upset at comments that aren't meant to be super seriously, where instead they've been posted for a laugh

You find it funny? I'm not sensing amusement from you at all. Maybe you're just incredibly hard to read. FWIW I wasn't upset at all, I just had an interesting and on topic stat to provide. If I breached protocol I was unaware.

As far as the humour, perhaps we're on different wavelengths. If it's not based in accuracy, it's as funny as saying "Learn to take a mark, Sav!" or "try winning a hard ball Danger".

 

[Mr Meow]

Funny thing is that they are both great posters for stats etc. when most CBF.
differences of opinion I guess.

Edit: oops Catso09 I think we crossed. He's very valuable and knowledgeable even if can get up your nose occasionally.

Everyone needs a bit of spice in their life!

BigFooty culture wars based on specific opinions on players are inevitable.

Dangerfield, as you correctly alluded to earlier, is another hot topic in this regard. Do I usually verge on being protective of the players and coach? Yes. Maybe I am Chris Scott.

 

[Johanpetro]

Do I usually verge on being protective of the players and coach? Yes. Maybe I am Chris Scott.

Play Knevitt and Neale you muppet!

 

[Mr Meow]

Play Knevitt and Neale you muppet!

Just wait until I move Ratugolea to ruck rover to solve our midfield crisis.

 

[TheCatStevensExperience]

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Ahahahahaha did actually LOL. Brilliant memeing.

 

[CHAWKTS]

J. Henry: sorry but I don't by that someone stood on his big toe/foot and that's why they subbed him out. There was a clear issue he was concerned with before the game where he didn't look comfortable during the early warm-up, wasn't moving freely & left the ground early, talking with staff on the way out. He should have been a late change at that stage, and I wouldn't risk him this week - plus, he really didn't offer us much up forward

Tuohy has had an indifferent season, with a few real top games but also a number of below par games where the end looks to be getting close. If he was struggling running around KP, I'm not sure I want to see how much he'd struggle at the MCG, so this could be a good "managed" opportunity

Those are two potential outs to start with

Agree re J Henry but I assumed his replacement would be a forward/mid of some sorts? (Even rumour Hawk might be back but I would find that very surprising).

If they bring Bews in they need (IMHO) to take out a backman? And I also agree that could be 2E…but that is a big call for the MC as it might be hard for him to get back in if Bews does ok. In any event I would not be surprised to see Bews in VFL for one more week?

 

[CHAWKTS]

Everyone needs a bit of spice in their life!

BigFooty culture wars based on specific opinions on players are inevitable.

Dangerfield, as you correctly alluded to earlier, is another hot topic in this regard. Do I usually verge on being protective of the players and coach? Yes. Maybe I am Chris Scott.

You are too straightforward…unless his alter ego (anonymously) tells us what he actually thinks. The press conference version is a master of managing the message without actually saying what is going on

 

[Play it Sam]

You find it funny? I'm not sensing amusement from you at all. Maybe you're just incredibly hard to read. FWIW I wasn't upset at all, I just had an interesting and on topic stat to provide. If I breached protocol I was unaware.

As far as the humour, perhaps we're on different wavelengths. If it's not based in accuracy, it's as funny as saying "Learn to take a mark, Sav!" or "try winning a hard ball Danger".

That's the real problem- close to gas lighting on your last comment. Leave it kids! Must be a boring Monday, and we didn't even lose.

 

[CatToTheFuture]

Is it just me or was Sav playing an all over the ground utility role. Commontators kept saying he was playing in defence

The way we run commentary in afl is bad. It's too complex a game to shoot from the hip with BT or whoever repeating whatever preconceived notions they have.

They need to have an analyst watching F50, one on D50, and 2x through the middle and those analysts need to be AFL assistant level people. They need to be populating the talking points. From quarter time onwards you need to start seeing vision of the running patterns in detail and informed interpretation of what the coaches are doing.

Instead they use professional data people who can look at numbers but can't interpret any intentions or strategic direction. It's such a rich game and what we are told is thimble deep

 

[Play it Sam]

The way we run commentary in afl is bad. It's too complex a game to shoot from the hip with BT or whoever repeating whatever preconceived notions they have.

They need to have an analyst watching F50, one on D50, and 2x through the middle and those analysts need to be AFL assistant level people. They need to be populating the talking points. From quarter time onwards you need to start seeing vision of the running patterns in detail and informed interpretation of what the coaches are doing.

Instead they use professional data people who can look at numbers but can't interpret any intentions or strategic direction. It's such a rich game and what we are told is thimble deep

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Absolutely spot on, best post forever. They are so backward it's not funny, in this technological day and age we are treated to the same old BS. Subtitles on and it's extra painful. Ignorance thinking the viewer is happy with a nest of emotive old players carrying prejudices and the odd token female.

 

[Partridge]

Absolutely spot on, best post forever. They are so backward it's not funny, in this technological day and age we are treated to the same old BS. Subtitles on and it's extra painful. Ignorance thinking the viewer is happy with a nest of emotive old players carrying prejudices and the odd token female.

I've said this a few times now, but just stop and think how far removed some of the commentators are from when they last played. It's not just ten years, it's frequently twice, or even three times that. Taylor, Russell, and Healy last played in 1990 or 1991. That's a long time removed. Dunstall, Brereton, Lyon - the absolute cornerstones of the boys' club - none played a single game in the 2000s. They all still think they're the cool kids in town too.

It's no coincidence that it's guys like Hodge, Lewis, and Buckley who make by far the most sense and know what's going on - they're only recently retired, or were coaching. They actually get the modern game. Very few of them do.

 

[Sticksman]

I've said this a few times now, but just stop and think how far removed some of the commentators are from when they last played. It's not just ten years, it's frequently twice, or even three times that. Taylor, Russell, and Healy last played in 1990 or 1991. That's a long time removed. Dunstall, Brereton, Lyon - the absolute cornerstones of the boys' club - none played a single game in the 2000s. They all still think they're the cool kids in town too.

It's no coincidence that it's guys like Hodge, Lewis, and Buckley who make by far the most sense and know what's going on - they're only recently retired, or were coaching. They actually get the modern game. Very few of them do.

Good post

 

[cats_09]

Agree re J Henry but I assumed his replacement would be a forward/mid of some sorts? (Even rumour Hawk might be back but I would find that very surprising).

If they bring Bews in they need (IMHO) to take out a backman? And I also agree that could be 2E…but that is a big call for the MC as it might be hard for him to get back in if Bews does ok. In any event I would not be surprised to see Bews in VFL for one more week?

The forward line is a funny situation - when Hawkins is available we know he'll return, and I think the vast majority of Geelong fans also wouldn't mind seeing Neale given a go

BUT, we also don't look short on options when we've been without either of Cameron or now Hawkins, pending the other being available alongside both of Rohan & O. Henry

I feel that it's Rohan absence we've noticed more across the season, because while he may not hit the scoreboard with the regularity of the others, he does bring an energy we don't always see from the others

Feels a bit of a conundrum as no Hawkins opened up the space in our forward line and O. Henry took advantage of that in the first half. If Neale plays do we lose some of that space, or does his inclusion help as Collingwood would still have to play a tall defender on him purely due to his height & not wanting to underestimate what he could do. No Neale means potentially a more open forward line but also that a better defender would go to Henry and/or Rohan than if he played


IF Bews was right to go against Port, I would have made a straight swap with Bowes but I like how Jack responded following a disappointing match against Fremantle - plus he did go in & fly the flag in support of teammates, and I don't mind seeing that sort of controlled aggression when needed

O'Connor is maybe one - he was managed/made sub the other week, so could find himself in a similar situation to what he did last finals campaign and maybe out of the 22

And I think we generally all agree that Smith is close to the end, but I did like a few things from him on the weekend and think his experience could be valuable at this stage if he keeps playing smart. But if he looks like he needs a nap by the third quarter, then he may be limited to playing on smaller grounds or we just play the kids in front of him

 

[JohnZ]

Very few of them do.

Ch7s biggest issue is that because of the ad breaks, they don't have time for any meaningful analysis. Hodge is lucky to get 5 seconds in before the ball is bounced. Ch7 see it as an entertainment product, so even pre-game or at half time they barely get to talk about the footy itself - instead they'll have segments that are ripped straight from Bounce.

Fox Footy has seriously deteriorated over the past 10 years. I don't know if it's a budgeting thing or what, but outside of their match day coverage when at the ground, it's seriously subpar. Doing games off the screen is not doing them any favours. I'm hoping that with the new rights in 2025 allowing them to do all the games, they'll base a team in each city and get something back there. But their pre-game/post-game and panel shows are rubbish (outside of first crack). Why is there no Sunday morning review show? Why do some games have an hour of preview, others only 1min? Terrible.

 

[Finknottle]

Just got around to watching the game and had some interesting takeaways from it with some examples.

First of all, I thought Esava played one of his best games for the Cats. He seems to be developing some natural football poise that many of us doubted he'd ever possess. This would have to be one of his best moments in the hoops. Calm, composed, gets to his feet instantly to effect the next contest and clear away:



Secondly, I couldn't help but notice how low the standards of adjudication have become this year. So many inconsistencies and rules that just can't be effectively enforced. The whole 'dissent' thing is a prime example. Have a look at a handful of these demonstrable incidents throughout the game, which weren't penalised:



Now, I'm not a fan of the dissent rule in general but the thing that bothers me about this is that whenever the umpires just decide to pay them, you can bet that nobody sees it coming. If it was ten minutes to go in a final and Tom Hawkins did this stuff, what do you think the umpires would 'choose' to do? We all know the answer.

Furthermore on the umpiring front, this incident here would have to be one of the worst adjudications I've ever seen:



Dangerfield tries to get to the ball, then tries to handball it away but it gets blocked in. Wines grabs it and reels it in, Danger adjusts and lays the tackle, then gets pinged. Now I know umpires pay some howlers, and that's fine. But they paid FIFTY free kicks in this game. There's too much over-zealous umpiring and too many rules that can't be effectively enforced. It's degrading the game far more than anything else in my opinion.

All of that said, I thought the Cats played pretty well, apart from some pretty bad Stanley turnovers and a horrible first quarter from Stewart. Next week will be a very interesting one.

Nah, I think Danger dragged it in and made no attempt to push it out. However, wriggling out and putting on the half Nelson was creative. UFC at it's best. I find the rule kind of stupid anyway. A played can jump on the ball and an opponent can hold the ball in under him and gets rewarded. But really both players should be pinged or it should be a ball up. Instead it's a balls up.

 

[Partridge]

Nah, I think Danger dragged it in and made no attempt to push it out. However, wriggling out and putting on the half Nelson was creative. UFC at it's best. I find the rule kind of stupid anyway. A played can jump on the ball and an opponent can hold the ball in under him and gets rewarded. But really both players should be pinged or it should be a ball up. Instead it's a balls up.

It's so stupid. An entire generation of fans are conditioned now to shriek "He's dragged it in! He's dragged it in!" Well, so? Are you meant to not grab the ball to dispose of it? Meanwhile three opposition players can play stacks on - clearly holding the ball. Of course, when <insert star player> tries to break a tackle, gets caught red hot and flings the ball out one handed..........that's play on, of course.

Big pack of players, ball gets held in - ball it up. Almost every time.
Player tries to break tackle, gets caught and flings / drops / hurls the ball sideways - holding the ball.

Fix those two things up and it would be better right away.

 

[Bevoman]

Nah, I think Danger dragged it in and made no attempt to push it out. However, wriggling out and putting on the half Nelson was creative. UFC at it's best. I find the rule kind of stupid anyway. A played can jump on the ball and an opponent can hold the ball in under him and gets rewarded. But really both players should be pinged or it should be a ball up. Instead it's a balls up.

Watch from the start, Danger definitely dragged it in.
It was definitely not paid by the Umpire who gave 15 free kicks to the Geelong.

 

[catempire]

Nah, I think Danger dragged it in and made no attempt to push it out. However, wriggling out and putting on the half Nelson was creative. UFC at it's best. I find the rule kind of stupid anyway. A played can jump on the ball and an opponent can hold the ball in under him and gets rewarded. But really both players should be pinged or it should be a ball up. Instead it's a balls up.

He did drag it in but he didn’t have the ball by the end of it so it was the wrong call.

 

[cats_09]

Watch from the start, Danger definitely dragged it in.
It was definitely not paid by the Umpire who gave 15 free kicks to the Geelong.

Only 15... Pfft, we paid him to pay 16, we got short changed

 

[And_ROOS]

I've said this a few times now, but just stop and think how far removed some of the commentators are from when they last played. It's not just ten years, it's frequently twice, or even three times that. Taylor, Russell, and Healy last played in 1990 or 1991. That's a long time removed. Dunstall, Brereton, Lyon - the absolute cornerstones of the boys' club - none played a single game in the 2000s. They all still think they're the cool kids in town too.

It's no coincidence that it's guys like Hodge, Lewis, and Buckley who make by far the most sense and know what's going on - they're only recently retired, or were coaching. They actually get the modern game. Very few of them do.

Listen to the absolute silence Dangerfield has gotten recently for his special comments, the other commentators must think he is speaking another language.

 

[Partridge]

Listen to the absolute silence Dangerfield has gotten recently for his special comments, the other commentators must think he is speaking another language.

Yep, personally I don't want any current player anywhere near a microphone, but it was stark how he understood what was happening and it sure sounded like no one else did.

 

[cats_09]

Brown must be softening, he's recognised a couple of Cats in his team of the week

 

[Partridge]

Do we really think Dangerfield was Geelong’s 2nd best player - as per the AFL match report? Stewart third?

I must have been at a different game. Danger had less than 10 touches at 3/4 time …. Picked it up a notch in the last but I thought he was average and looked well off being the best few players out there. A few of his kicks were Danger specials. Horne - Francis outpointed Danger around the contest and I thought did a number on him when they were head to head.

As for Stewart, similar to Dangerfield. He’s a defender who gave up 4 goals in the first 3/4 and then had a better last qtr.

Hard to fathom the way they came up with best players.

It isn't really. The commentators for starters only look at the star players, and look the other way when they make mistakes. Watch the last quarter of the Freo game and it was after I think Stewart's 4th horrendous blunder in the last quarter the commentators piped up with "a rare mistake".

People have been ignoring the flaws of those two on here for quite some time.