Cerra

Cerra

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_RT_ said:
12 minutes into the 3rd

18 disposals (ranked 1st for Freo equal 1st overall) - Whats the point when most are getting to the oppo
13 kicks (ranked first for Freo equal 2nd overall) - Again half are getting to the lions
5 handballs
3 marks (equal 4th for Freo & equal 10th overall)
2 tackles (equal 2nd for Freo equal 12th overall) - LOL says more about freo really
6 contested possessions (equal 4th for Freo and equal 8th overall)
4 clearances (equal 1st for Freo and overall)
4 clangers (equal 1st for Freo and 2nd overall)
55% DE (equal 20th for Freo) - You mean equal last
440m gained (clear 1st for Freo and 2nd overall) - 375mtrs came back after being turned over
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Equal worst disposal efficiency in the freo team thats getting smacked

i have been watching him closely now for over 10 weeks and honestly not seeing an elite player or user

looks like a player that will be reliable but im not paying him $600k and spending more that a pick #10 on
 

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Rioli2Rioli said:
Fantsay and Dream team stats are rubbish as it gives you points for everything

Supercoach is alot more closer to real as it deducts points for mistakes clangers etc
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I was just looking at his disposals, supercoach/dreamteam is all subjective twaddle when assessing a player.

It all depends on how Champion Data is assessing the team/player that day.
 
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Rioli2Rioli said:
Equal worst disposal efficiency in the freo team thats getting smacked

i have been watching him closely now for over 10 weeks and honestly not seeing an elite player or user

looks like a player that will be reliable but im not paying him $600k and spending more that a pick #10 on
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Didn't really watch the game, but maybe he taking on kicks that were high risk/high reward hence the poor DE%.

Not sure where the belief he has elite disposal came from as he has never had an elite DE%, I think in the right team and with the right role his disposal will be very good and can hurt the opposition.

Those poor Fremantle fans thinking they're getting 2 first round picks for him are in for a big shock. At best they'll get a first and 2nd or 3rd and that's about it.
 
THE THIN MAN said:
I was just looking at his disposals, supercoach/dreamteam is all subjective twaddle when assessing a player.

It all depends on how Champion Data is assessing the team/player that day.
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Im not really paying much attention to that stuff but have made sure i watch all the freo games to get a good look at the kid and judge his game by what i see and have even gone to the stage where i actually rewind some plays to have a good look.

Cerra spends alot of time away from the contest just outside and is used as a out kick from stoppages so they like to look for him out of stoppages but he just doesnt hurt the opposition . He doesnt appear to carry the ball and usually kicks / hanballs it as soon as an option presents which is not an issue but you just want him to carry the ball and gain distance as well as kick goals.

He just does not hurt the opposition as much as he should , Can he do that later ? Is it the freo game style that makes him play outside ?
Is that what we need ?

If he does end up at Richmond i hope he is more attacking and more of an inside ball winner but if what i see at freo is his natural game then he needs to improve a fair bit and not saying he cant but he should be looking at Josh Kelly at GWS as that would be the type of player he should be aiming to become as there are similarities
 
_RT_ said:
Didn't really watch the game, but maybe he taking on kicks that were high risk/high reward hence the poor DE%.

Not sure where the belief he has elite disposal came from as he has never had an elite DE%, I think in the right team and with the right role his disposal will be very good and can hurt the opposition.

Those poor Fremantle fans thinking they're getting 2 first round picks for him are in for a big shock. At best they'll get a first and 2nd or 3rd and that's about it.
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Ths is the line the freo supporters are using but then thats a problem on its own

He does take on kicks that are longer but has to realise that he cannot afford to do that with a small foward line and needs to be carrying the ball more and taking shots at goal as he has become predictable.

Commentators o Fox discussed this and were saying that he is averaging 9 last week and 10 this week inside 50's but not really translating to his teams benefit and needs to develop better judgment and aspects to his game .

What i noticed also is he gets almost no attention from opposition players and is left to run around as he wishes , This is a concern also
is it because they dont think he hurts them ? Do they believe his man is better utilized away from him ?

I honestly wouldnt be able to tell you who played on him even though i watched the entire game
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
Ths is the line the freo supporters are using but then thats a problem on its own

He does take on kicks that are longer but has to realise that he cannot afford to do that with a small foward line and needs to be carrying the ball more and taking shots at goal as he has become predictable.

Commentators o Fox discussed this and were saying that he is averaging 9 last week and 10 this week inside 50's but not really translating to his teams benefit and needs to develop better judgment and aspects to his game .

What i noticed also is he gets almost no attention from opposition players and is left to run around as he wishes , This is a concern also
is it because they dont think he hurts them ? Do they believe his man is better utilized away from him ?

I honestly wouldnt be able to tell you who played on him even though i watched the entire game
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The bit that I watched he was alternating with McLuggage and Lyons, which would explain him being left to run around on his own as they were probably going the other way trying to hurt him. Hard to tell as I didn't watch the game who had the best of the match up, but you'd suspect it was the Lions players given the margin.
 

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Liam Baker is a better player with more upside, XFactor and guts than Adam Cerra will ever have.

I can't see anyone here advocating that Baker get a five year deal on $600k.

You can take your stats and shove them up your ass because Cerra is just not a bloke who can turn the game in your favour. Our own Liam Baker can and does, a few times now.

Cerra is a fine young player but some of the frothing and gloating over him is off the charts. We need dynamic, strong ball winners who ideally also have the capacity to go forward and hurt you on the scoreboard. Without Andrew Brayshaw Cerra is half the player.

If he comes to the Tigers I will support him like I support all of our players but geez there will be some regulars in our team that wouldn't be too happy that he's on $600k+. We just signed Shai for that FFS. A genuine matchwinner and our most talented player since Dusty.

Also some of the one sided deals thrown around here in a trade for him are unbelievable. A late first and a swap of seconds ! Lol. He went Pick 5 ! Freo demanded Pick 2 for Lachie Whatsisname and got it. They aren't a ****ing charity and will fight tooth and nail to keep him.

His stats are over rated. He's over rated. He never has an opponent and he runs around on the outside receiving handballs and short kicking.

How does that improve us ?

He lays the odd tackle but when has anyone ONCE ever seen him really grit his teeth and chase and lay a tackle like Mansell on Danger or like MRJ laid on the weekend. It's why he has the vanilla tag. He's a nice kid when what we need in the middle is a beast.

Some of you need to take off the Cerra goggles. Wow.
 
YeOldTiger said:
Liam Baker is a better player with more upside, XFactor and guts than Adam Cerra will ever have.

I can't see anyone here advocating that Baker get a five year deal on $600k.

You can take your stats and shove them up your ass because Cerra is just not a bloke who can turn the game in your favour. Our own Liam Baker can and does, a few times now.

Cerra is a fine young player but some of the frothing and gloating over him is off the charts. We need dynamic, strong ball winners who ideally also have the capacity to go forward and hurt you on the scoreboard. Without Andrew Brayshaw Cerra is half the player.

If he comes to the Tigers I will support him like I support all of our players but geez there will be some regulars in our team that wouldn't be too happy that he's on $600k+. We just signed Shai for that FFS. A genuine matchwinner and our most talented player since Dusty.

Also some of the one sided deals thrown around here in a trade for him are unbelievable. A late first and a swap of seconds ! Lol. He went Pick 5 ! Freo demanded Pick 2 for Lachie Whatsisname and got it. They aren't a ******* charity and will fight tooth and nail to keep him.

His stats are over rated. He's over rated. He never has an opponent and he runs around on the outside receiving handballs and short kicking.

How does that improve us ?

He lays the odd tackle but when has anyone ONCE ever seen him really grit his teeth and chase and lay a tackle like Mansell on Danger or like MRJ laid on the weekend. It's why he has the vanilla tag. He's a nice kid when what we need in the middle is a beast.

Some of you need to take off the Cerra goggles. Wow.
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Imagine Baker & Cerra in the middle. :p
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Along with a bloke named Taranto.;)
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YeOldTiger said:
Liam Baker is a better player with more upside, XFactor and guts than Adam Cerra will ever have.

I can't see anyone here advocating that Baker get a five year deal on $600k.

You can take your stats and shove them up your ass because Cerra is just not a bloke who can turn the game in your favour. Our own Liam Baker can and does, a few times now.

Cerra is a fine young player but some of the frothing and gloating over him is off the charts. We need dynamic, strong ball winners who ideally also have the capacity to go forward and hurt you on the scoreboard. Without Andrew Brayshaw Cerra is half the player.

If he comes to the Tigers I will support him like I support all of our players but geez there will be some regulars in our team that wouldn't be too happy that he's on $600k+. We just signed Shai for that FFS. A genuine matchwinner and our most talented player since Dusty.

Also some of the one sided deals thrown around here in a trade for him are unbelievable. A late first and a swap of seconds ! Lol. He went Pick 5 ! Freo demanded Pick 2 for Lachie Whatsisname and got it. They aren't a ******* charity and will fight tooth and nail to keep him.

His stats are over rated. He's over rated. He never has an opponent and he runs around on the outside receiving handballs and short kicking.

How does that improve us ?

He lays the odd tackle but when has anyone ONCE ever seen him really grit his teeth and chase and lay a tackle like Mansell on Danger or like MRJ laid on the weekend. It's why he has the vanilla tag. He's a nice kid when what we need in the middle is a beast.

Some of you need to take off the Cerra goggles. Wow.
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100% wish I could like it twice. The only thing that justifies us chasing an outside mid is if we have a big fish inside mid on the hook for the following year. We seriously need to start winning some bloody clearances. Cerra's not gonna get half the disposals he currently gets in a team that can't distribute the ball to him.
 
YeOldTiger said:
Liam Baker is a better player with more upside, XFactor and guts than Adam Cerra will ever have.

I can't see anyone here advocating that Baker get a five year deal on $600k.

You can take your stats and shove them up your ass because Cerra is just not a bloke who can turn the game in your favour. Our own Liam Baker can and does, a few times now.

Cerra is a fine young player but some of the frothing and gloating over him is off the charts. We need dynamic, strong ball winners who ideally also have the capacity to go forward and hurt you on the scoreboard. Without Andrew Brayshaw Cerra is half the player.

If he comes to the Tigers I will support him like I support all of our players but geez there will be some regulars in our team that wouldn't be too happy that he's on $600k+. We just signed Shai for that FFS. A genuine matchwinner and our most talented player since Dusty.

Also some of the one sided deals thrown around here in a trade for him are unbelievable. A late first and a swap of seconds ! Lol. He went Pick 5 ! Freo demanded Pick 2 for Lachie Whatsisname and got it. They aren't a ******* charity and will fight tooth and nail to keep him.

His stats are over rated. He's over rated. He never has an opponent and he runs around on the outside receiving handballs and short kicking.

How does that improve us ?

He lays the odd tackle but when has anyone ONCE ever seen him really grit his teeth and chase and lay a tackle like Mansell on Danger or like MRJ laid on the weekend. It's why he has the vanilla tag. He's a nice kid when what we need in the middle is a beast.

Some of you need to take off the Cerra goggles. Wow.
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Cerra and Baker are very different. I see baker as a flanker who can run through the middle. Cerra is a class midfielder. Something we don't currently have. Rightly or wrongly high draft picks will always get more coin than a bloke that has to come up through the rookie list. That's just reality. Add to that you always pay a little extra to get someone to change clubs than you would if they come from within.

I see Baker playing predominantly forward next season. Not many small forwards are on big coin.

If you think he runs around receiving handballs and kicking short then you really have not watched him closely. Yes he's better suited to the outside but he can win his own ball, takes alot of marks, get clearances and does the one percenters. Over 1/3 of his possessions are contested. Jack Graham for example goes at 29%. In fact he has Graham covered in all of the above. He's a beautiful kick inside 50. We need that.

He and Ralphsmith in the wings next year are a big upgrade on Pickett/caddy and Kmac.
 
YeOldTiger said:
Liam Baker is a better player with more upside, XFactor and guts than Adam Cerra will ever have.



His stats are over rated. He's over rated. He never has an opponent and he runs around on the outside receiving handballs and short kicking.

How does that improve us ?

He lays the odd tackle but when has anyone ONCE ever seen him really grit his teeth and chase and lay a tackle like Mansell on Danger or like MRJ laid on the weekend. It's why he has the vanilla tag. He's a nice kid when what we need in the middle is a beast.

Some of you need to take off the Cerra goggles. Wow.
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Thank You sir
 
I will most likely get shot down for this but i honestly think Jordan De Goey is a better fit for the position we require to fill than Cerra
 
Some harsh critics in here, Cerra is still a kid and yet playing bloody good football. If he played for us, we'd all be fapping.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick, not much more if anything else.

He may also not be a inside beast, very few kids are, but have you seen the shoulders on him? He will be a big strong lad as he develops.
 
Cerra will be a massive disappointment if we overpay. He's a good to very good player, but he's not someone to build around. He's a very nice kick, but he's not going to be the player that wins the big clearance. He's a finisher who would ideally receive the ball from the type of player we actually need - a big bustling inside mid beast.

A cheaper Tom Green >>>>>>>> Cerra any day for our side.
 
Find someone to take Lynch off our hands and we can have Taranto, Cerra and Tom Green.
 
juss said:
Cerra will be a massive disappointment if we overpay. He's a good to very good player, but he's not someone to build around. He's a very nice kick, but he's not going to be the player that wins the big clearance. He's a finisher who would ideally receive the ball from the type of player we actually need - a big bustling inside mid beast.

A cheaper Tom Green >>>>>>>> Cerra any day for our side.
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That's exactly it. He simply isn't worth our first rounder when you look at our other needs. He is a finisher (and a not a particularly damaging one at that). You watch a Fremantle match and he is comparatively invisible. Frankly you wouldn't even notice him if there wasn't any chatter about him coming to Richmond and certainly he has nowhere near the presence of the players that actually dish it out to him. Insert him in the present Richmond team for what he would cost us in terms of salary cap and draft currency and he would risk becoming a whipping boy of uber proportions. He might be what some people want but he is definitely not what we need at the price we'd have to pay. Hope he stays where he is.
 
Morro said:
Some harsh critics in here, Cerra is still a kid and yet playing bloody good football. If he played for us, we'd all be fapping.

He is easily worth a top 10 pick, not much more if anything else.

He may also not be a inside beast, very few kids are, but have you seen the shoulders on him? He will be a big strong lad as he develops.
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You'd want to be a harsh critic when you're forking out $600+ over 5y (that's erring on the cheap side) for a kid who isn't an A grader when you've sold to all your loyal soldiers about
sacrificing pay for success.

We have triple premiership midfielders Edwards, Lambert etc who don't get that kind of coin, let alone 21yo outside mids from minnow clubs. Our B graders/fringe A graders would rightly say WTF !?!?

Even Dusty didn't get that kind of $$ and he was an XFactor monster at 21.

It isn't a knock on Cerra who is a solid citizen and a very nice, neat player. I'm just being a realist. Playing Devil's advocate. Is he really what we need most ? Is he worth it and the best young player we could get on that kind of salary and contract, let alone the draft capital needed to get him ?

He's knocked back $750k x 4y at Freo.

Freo rate him their third best young mid behind Brayshaw and Serong who won last year's rising star. Why are we forking out a huge chunk of our cap for minimum 4/5y and handing over our two first rounders (because that's what it will take) for Freo's third best young mid ??

I think it's a fair question.

If we hit the draft this year and wait one year, with the retirements we have coming, Tom Green falls into our lap for about the same money. Tom Green is A grade material. He's everything that Cerra isn't. Better kick, inside clearance specialist, big and strong and leadership material.
 
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