Cerra

Cerra

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Rioli2Rioli said:
Fantsay and Dream team stats are rubbish as it gives you points for everything

Supercoach is alot more closer to real as it deducts points for mistakes clangers etc
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And don't forget arbitrary points for 'scaling'. All game statistical information is cause for further research - not a determinant of itself. What good would 30 kicks be if they were all along the ground (looking at you Butler) - what good would 30 handballs be if they all went back (looking at you Bowden) - what good would 20 shepherds / tackles be if they mostly result in free kicks (looking at you Mummy)?

Cerra is a good player without anything much to hang his hat on for mine. If he is better than that I haven't witnessed it yet, and I do watch a few Dockers games.
 
YeOldTiger said:
You'd want to be a harsh critic when you're forking out $600+ over 5y (that's strong on the cheap side) for a kid who isn't an A grader when you've sold all your soldiers on sacrificing pay for success. It isn't a knock on Cerra who is a solid citizen and a very nice footballer. It just being a realist. Is he really what we need most ? Is he worth it on salary and draft capital ?

He's knocked back $750k x 4y at Freo.

Freo rate him their third best young mid behind Brayshaw and Serong who won last year's rising star. Why are we forking out a huge chunk of our cap for minimum 4/5y and handing over our two first rounders (because that's what it will take) for Freo's third best young mid ??

I think it's a fair question.
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Why would Freo offer him 4 x 750k? We didn’t even offer Bolton that much. Tells me they rate home highly and extremely invested in him.
 

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Calcium Man said:
Why would Freo offer him 4 x 750k? We didn’t even offer Bolton that much. Tells me they rate home highly and extremely invested in him.
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Because he suits Freo's style, they've invested four years in him, they don't have anyone else coming through and they know he wants to go home. It's the most classic case of an over priced player since the go home 5 at the Bears. If he was at a Vic club he'd be on $400 for 3y MAX. He just doesn't influence games.

They're desperate to keep him. The same way we were desperate to keep Shai, who is a far superior player and who signed for $600. Do you really want Adam Cerra on our books for more than we're paying Shai Bolton ?? C'mon that's bs.
 
Rocco sifreddi said:
We've been destroyed in the clearances all year
We need a ball winner first and foremost
Cerra will be a waste if we haven't got anyone
To do the grunt work, contested ball was never a issue last year , this year has been a huge problem
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Glad many of us share the same views. I hope the club does too. If we had a young Mark Coughlan and Shane Tuck (RIP) back dishing it our in the middle then I'd say sure let's add Cerra as the cream, but not now.
 
YeOldTiger said:
You'd want to be a harsh critic when you're forking out $600+ over 5y (that's strong on the cheap side) for a kid who isn't an A grader when you've sold all your soldiers on sacrificing pay for success. It isn't a knock on Cerra who is a solid citizen and a very nice footballer. It just being a realist. Is he really what we need most ? Is he worth it on salary and draft capital ?

He's knocked back $750k x 4y at Freo.

Freo rate him their third best young mid behind Brayshaw and Serong who won last year's rising star. Why are we forking out a huge chunk of our cap for minimum 4/5y and handing over our two first rounders (because that's what it will take) for Freo's third best young mid ??

I think it's a fair question.
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Pretty obvious if he comes to us it's not for the money.
Wouldn't be more than Bolton.
As for trade wise.
A 1st & 2nd similar too the prestia deal is about the mark.
 
Rocco sifreddi said:
We've been destroyed in the clearances all year
We need a ball winner first and foremost
Cerra will be a waste if we haven't got anyone
To do the grunt work, contested ball was never a issue last year , this year has been a huge problem
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I think the clearance issue is game plan moreso than personnel. A midfield of Prestia, Bolton, Dusty, Cotchin, Edwards and Graham should be able to draw even at the very least with any team.

The problem is we've concentrated so much on winning it back so much to the detriment of our actual clearance ability. It was for good reason, we won 3 flags with that focus but it needs some tweaking the way the game is heading.

A stoppage specialist coach is as bigger need as we have in the off season.
 
Rocco sifreddi said:
We've been destroyed in the clearances all year
We need a ball winner first and foremost
Cerra will be a waste if we haven't got anyone
To do the grunt work, contested ball was never a issue last year , this year has been a huge problem
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Reckon we re smart enough to realise that , cerra will be complimentary to a an inside bull Fyfe type , whether we trade in or draft . I’d think our earliest draft pick targets that need as they get picked off the leftovers are generally 5”5 or <10stone later in the draft
 

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This is a tantalising and very debatable one I think with Cerra.

There are only 9 players ranked in the top 50 mids in official AFL rankings right now who haven’t yet turned 24 years of age.

Cerra is one of those 9, and he is not yet 22. Of the 9 only two are clearly younger than Cerra, those being Sam Walsh and Bailey Smith, who are both roughly a year younger than Cerra.

The list of 9 under 24 mids ranked in the top 50 right now in order of their ranking are:

Sam Walsh
Hugh McLuggage
Shai Bolton
Jy Simpkin
Andrew Brayshaw
Zac Bailey
Bailey Smith
Adam Cerra
Tim Taranto

It is a pretty illustrious list and a very credible list. Whilst Cerra is ranked closer to the bottom of this particular list than the top, half the list are 1-2 years his senior and so just that bit closer to their peak. There are good reasons to believe that Cerra, still 21yo, will improve.

I think the way Cerra is tracking, you could reasonably expect that within 2 years, all being equal, at age 24 he would genuinely sit within the top 50 centre square mids in the competition, and probably well within it too. At his absolute peak he might be within the top 10 or 20 for a few years.

You do have to consider with this guy he has had to battle his way through his first 4 seasons as an AFL mid with an immature body relative to almost all of the players he is up against. But I think it is fair to say he has jus about arrived at a point now where he would be cutting it as the 4th on baller in even most of the stronger midfields in the strongest teams, just maybe not quite the Dogs deep midfield when they are all available.

So perhaps Shane Edwards, Jay Viney, Tom Liberatore, Luke Parker, David Mundy, Callum Mills, Jacob Hopper, Mitch Duncan, he is probably tracking like a lot of these sort of guys at a similar age. Would these sort of players be worth giving up draft points equating to say pick 5 range and paying $600-650k to allow you to grab them as 22 year olds?

If you do it, you lose the possibility to maybe get some out and out gun, but you also dramatically reduce the possibility of a bust or say a Reece Conca type outcome. And you get 4 years development already done. As we can see there are not too many players who in their first 4 years could genuinely command a starting spot in a strong midfield. So if you draft a gun mid you are likely waiting 4 years at least before he is good enough to command that position in a top 4 team.

Personally I wouldn’t have an issue if we got Cerra on a deal similar to the one outlined above. He looks likely to play another 150-200 games all going well, and at a standard that could fit well within a strong team.

I think the reason Freo have kitchen sinked him with the big offer is they have Brayshaw, Serong, only a few more years of Fyfe and Mundy surely almost done. Walters is looking cooked, and I think the cupboard is prey bare for mids besides those. I definitely wouldn’t be matching their offer, but I can see why they have made it.
 
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Meteoric Rise said:
This is a tantalising and very debatable one I think with Cerra.

There are only 9 players ranked in the top 50 mids in official AFL rankings right now who haven’t yet turned 24 years of age.

Cerra is one of those 9, and he is not yet 22. Of the 9 only two are clearly younger than Cerra, those being Sam Walsh and Bailey Smith, who are both roughly a year younger than Cerra.

The list of 9 under 24 mids ranked in the top 50 right now in order of their ranking are:

Sam Walsh
Hugh McLuggage
Shai Bolton
Jy Simpkin
Andrew Brayshaw
Zac Bailey
Bailey Smith
Adam Cerra
Tim Taranto

It is a pretty illustrious list and a very credible list. Whilst Cerra is ranked closer to the bottom of this particular list than the top, half the list are 1-2 years his senior and so just that bit closer to their peak. There are good reasons to believe that Cerra, still 21yo, will improve.

I think the way Cerra is tracking, you could reasonably expect that within 2 years, all being equal, at age 24 he would genuinely sit within the top 50 centre square mids in the competition, and probably well within it too. At his absolute peak he might be within the top 10 or 20 for a few years.

You do have to consider with this guy he has had to battle his way through his first 4 seasons as an AFL mid with an immature body relative to almost all of the players he is up against. But I think it is fair to say he has jus about arrived at a point now where he would be cutting it as the 4th on baller in even most of the stronger midfields in the strongest teams, just maybe not quite the Dogs deep midfield when they are all available.

So perhaps Shane Edwards, Jay Viney, Tom Liberatore, Luke Parker, David Mundy, Callum Mills, Jacob Hopper, Mitch Duncan, he is probably tracking like a lot of these sort of guys at a similar age. Would these sort of players be worth giving up draft points equating to say pick 5 range and paying $600-650k to allow you to grab them as 22 year olds?

If you do it, you lose the possibility to maybe get some out and out gun, but you also dramatically reduce the possibility of a bust or say a Reece Conca type outcome. And you get 4 years development already done. As we can see there are not too many players who in their first 4 years could genuinely command a starting spot in a strong midfield. So if you draft a gun mid you are likely waiting 4 years at least before he is good enough to command that position in a top 4 team.

Personally I wouldn’t have an issue if we got Cerra on the sort of deal outlined above. He looks likely to play another 150-200 games all going well, and at a standard that could fit well within a strong team.

I think the reason Freo have kitchen sinked him with the big offer is they have Brayshaw, Serong, only a few more years of Fyfe and Mundy surely almost done. Walters is looking cooked, and I think the cupboard is prey bare for mids besides those. I definitely wouldn’t be matching their offer, but I can see why they have made it.
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You have written that so beautifully and credit to you and your grammar , Too bad i never have been able to do this so ill just make it quick
I would rather take any of the below players ahead of Cerra for the same price and pick cost and possibly 2-3 more if i went through the team lists
I think rankings can be skewed somtimes
Which of the players below would pick before Cerra ?

Rowell
Anderson
Green
LDU
Rozee
Butters
 
tigerfan1961 said:
Rather use a first and second round pick in the draft tbh
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We do have another rnd 1 & 2 draft pick should we go down that path as well.
With Cerra we all know he can perform at afl level.
The uncertainty of the corona hit underage comp over the 2yrs is of a concern.
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
You have written that so beautifully and credit to you and your grammar , Too bad i never have been able to do this so ill just make it quick
I would rather take any of the below players ahead of Cerra for the same price and pick cost and possibly 2-3 more if i went through the team lists
I think rankings can be skewed somtimes
Which of the players below would pick before Cerra ?

Rowell
Anderson
Green
LDU
Rozee
Butters
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First 3 obviously.(its a wonder you didn't put in Bont/Dusty/Neale/Petracca.:p}
 
Calcium Man said:
Why would Freo offer him 4 x 750k? We didn’t even offer Bolton that much. Tells me they rate home highly and extremely invested in him.
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No it’s because we can’t afford to lose him
We have developed him and he fits perfectly with our other mids
It’s shit that he wants to go but we just have to accept it .
Many here don’t want to pay him that much coin when our other battlers like Brayshaw and Ryan don’t get paid what they are worth.
 
Madas said:
No it’s because we can’t afford to lose him
We have developed him and he fits perfectly with our other mids
It’s sh*t that he wants to go but we just have to accept it .
Many here don’t want to pay him that much coin when our other battlers like Brayshaw and Ryan don’t get paid what they are worth.
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Cheers.
What are your thoughts on his trade value ?
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
You have written that so beautifully and credit to you and your grammar , Too bad i never have been able to do this so ill just make it quick
I would rather take any of the below players ahead of Cerra for the same price and pick cost and possibly 2-3 more if i went through the team lists
I think rankings can be skewed somtimes
Which of the players below would pick before Cerra ?

Rowell
Anderson
Green
LDU
Rozee
Butters
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I would probably nearly take all of those before Cerra, but the big difference is they don’t seem to be available to us, and Cerra may be.

I would also say of those so far only LDU has withstood the trial of holding down a full time inside mid role for any extended length of time. Not that there is any reason to suspect the others couldn’t, but Cerra has proven he can play that role to a certain level whilst shouldering a full time load.
 

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