Speculation Chad Warner

[Rich01]

I don’t think he has any plans to return home given he has been pushing for Warner to get to WCE. Both players have been in regular contact. WCE have got a war chest to throw at Chad. They will need to kick up a big figure to get him to agree to a rebuild.

Yup sure.
Harley more concerned about getting Chad a West Coast contract than signing one himself. This is peak Bigfooty.

 

[King Huskii]

He ain’t worth more than Dangerfield or Neale. The Brownlow medalists.

Yeah I like it how you quite Carlton trades who already filled their boots with talent and can afford to be more lax. Those players didn’t command club breaking salaries and original club could easily accomodate money if trade didn’t happen. Sydney can’t not trade and then come to him and pay him $0.5m less. lol

Not to mention there likely would have been other Melbourne clubs for cerra and saad.

There were no other Brisbane clubs. There were no other Geelong clubs.

You are a tripper

Neale hadn't won his brownlows prior to the trade. He is worth every bit of what Neales freo output was.

 

[ghostbat12]

You are a tripper

Neale hadn't won his brownlows prior to the trade. He is worth every bit of what Neales freo output was.

You are right, I should have known better. he only improved when leaving Freo and was a nobody there.

Thanks for pointing it out.


So if Warner is every bit as neale but neale was pick 6 and 19 but in contract. Then how is warner pick 3 plus everything else?

If it is pick 3, I’d like to see wce trade few spots down. Say to pick 6. And see what swans do then.

 

[ghostbat12]

AFL trade prices are way too variant to try to use 1 example as an unbreakable precedent, especially when it happened a decade ago. Danger got traded for 9 and 28 in 2015. But then Charlie Dixon gets traded for essentially 10 + F2, so I guess basically Dixon = Danger (pause). But then Treloar gets traded for 7 + F1 with pick 28 going the other way, so Treloar > Danger. But then Carlisle and pick 14 gets traded for picks 5 and 24, so I guess Carlisle is closer to Danger than we thought.

And I haven't even gone past 2015 there, so we got some all timers to come. Bryce Gibbs, Lachie Weller, Jared Polec, Jesse Hogan, Dylan Shiel, Dayne Beams, Tim Kelly, etc.

I think just about the only thing we can be certain about if a Chad Warner trade happens is that fans will complain about how little clubs use players being OOC as leverage. There are teams that leave trades to the last second to squeeze every bit of value out. Freo and West Coast generally aren't 2 of those teams. Beyond that, I'll leave debating who gets the future 4th to others.

You are not taking into account:

Other options. Eg treloar trade ran risk of other Victorian clubs coming in. There are no other options for Warner. Even baker had freo lurking.

Fact that swans can’t pay him and fit him in cap to what he will get at wce. So “ we can’t trade you Chad …and now we will only now offer you $0.5k less”. Bodes well.

I can’t rule out that clubs do stupid shit. We are lucky that pyke sidelined our list manager for barrass trade after baker debacle. Hawks tried to get him for peanuts, not for “what he is worth”.

Clubs definitely use leverage. Richmond used leverage. I mean Bolton better win the Brownlow. That’s what trading is. Bolton is not worth what freo paid for him and if he was out of contract, there is no way Freo would have paid what they did.

 

[ghostbat12]

Will you be saying the same thing when Harley wants to go home in 18 months time???

Difference is that Harley will have half of Victorian clubs being able to fit him in their salary.

Therefore they will need to pony up the picks, otherwise they risk other clubs coming in. They may not, but in back of their mind, they will know there is a possibility. Something that affects what is offered.

If he, say chooses Essendon. Then Essendon knows if trade can’t be done, he will not go past Richmond in draft. Essendon knows that, eagles know that. Eagles also damn know that Richmond will put its first picks on table to trump Essendon and hope there is a stalemate.

Something there is no risk with Warner. Freo can’t offer money or picks.

 

[King Huskii]

Who said he was a nobody? You are rambling on about nothing. With both Freo and West Coast offering big money plus Sydney wanting to retain him west coast will offer something significant.

You are delusional

You are right, I should have known better. he only improved when leaving Freo and was a nobody there.

Thanks for pointing it out.


So if Warner is every bit as neale but neale was pick 6 and 19 but in contract. Then how is warner pick 3 plus everything else?

If it is pick 3, I’d like to see wce trade few spots down. Say to pick 6. And see what swans do then.

 

[Rich01]

Difference is that Harley will have half of Victorian clubs being able to fit him in their salary.

Therefore they will need to pony up the picks, otherwise they risk other clubs coming in. They may not, but in back of their mind, they will know there is a possibility. Something that affects what is offered.

If he, say chooses Essendon. Then Essendon knows if trade can’t be done, he will not go past Richmond in draft. Essendon knows that, eagles know that. Eagles also damn know that Richmond will put its first picks on table to trump Essendon and hope there is a stalemate.

Something there is no risk with Warner. Freo can’t offer money or picks.

Nah, it won’t be any different to the games that Freo and West Coast play with eachother to keep each other honest when they are attracting talent across.

If he goes home, Harley will weigh up his options then nominate a club.
The club he nominates will be able to get a trade done regardless of collateral. We saw that with Geelong and Bailey Smith this year. But all clubs will now have access to at least two future firsts when he’s out of contract, so it’s likely there will be enough to get it done regardless of who he chooses. Thinking West Coast will let him go to the draft if they don’t get what they demand for him is a pipe dream.

 

[briztoon]

Depends on where the firsts are ?

By that logic we could trade pick 3 for 2 later firsts and get warner and a 2nd ?

Dunkley at age 26 went for 21 + f1 + f2 for dunkley + 2x f3s .

Yeah, but we screwed the Bulldogs, because they were originally asking for our 2022 first round pick + our 2023 first round pick.

We asked for their 2022 2nd & 3rd back, they said no. So we traded our 2022 1st to GC for their 2nd plus a heap of other later picks.

So we no longer had the 2 first round picks Bulldogs were asking for. They asked to trade for a first round pick back in to 2022, and we said no can do.

So they had to accept what we had on offer, as that was all we had.

 

[briztoon]

He's not cooked. You just made that up.

He’s almost cooked. Really dodgy back, that might force an early retirement with one more bad fall and landing.

And that’s from Barrass himself in an interview last year.

 

[briztoon]

And you don’t seem to get it.

Repeat after me.

Dangerfield.
Who is.
better.player.
only went.
For.
Pick9.and 28.

Keep dreaming about two firsts. Although I did say our future first and hawks first. That’s more than enough.

Problem with freo fans is they overpaid for Bolton and now are looking for justification that it was a right thing to do.

Because that’s all that Geelong had to trade, and it was a better deal than what the compensation pick would have been.

 

[Taylor]

It makes sense for Harley Reid to want Chad Warner coming over, it will make "their" team way more competitive.

It might also mean that Freo throwing money at Warner could also mean Reid leaves the Eagles later.

A two star turnaround.

 

[ghostbat12]

Because that’s all that Geelong had to trade, and it was a better deal than what the compensation pick would have been.

In that case, we should trade down and say that’s all we have.

 

[ghostbat12]

Nah, it won’t be any different to the games that Freo and West Coast play with eachother to keep each other honest when they are attracting talent across.

If he goes home, Harley will weigh up his options then nominate a club.
The club he nominates will be able to get a trade done regardless of collateral. We saw that with Geelong and Bailey Smith this year. But all clubs will now have access to at least two future firsts when he’s out of contract, so it’s likely there will be enough to get it done regardless of who he chooses. Thinking West Coast will let him go to the draft if they don’t get what they demand for him is a pipe dream.

Are there other clubs in Geelong? And most didn’t want to touch smith? Does Harley suffer mental issues plus all other things associated?

Model citizen.

 

[King Huskii]

In that case, we should trade down and say that’s all we have.

And Sydney can say we want more

 

[ghostbat12]

It makes sense for Harley Reid to want Chad Warner coming over, it will make "their" team way more competitive.

It might also mean that Freo throwing money at Warner could also mean Reid leaves the Eagles later.

A two star turnaround.

How much cap do you think freo have with brayshaw not yet signed?

They would need to get rid of some major players.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yeah, but we screwed the Bulldogs, because they were originally asking for our 2022 first round pick + our 2023 first round pick.

We asked for their 2022 2nd & 3rd back, they said no. So we traded our 2022 1st to GC for their 2nd plus a heap of other later picks.

So we no longer had the 2 first round picks Bulldogs were asking for. They asked to trade for a first round pick back in to 2022, and we said no can do.

So they had to accept what we had on offer, as that was all we had.

Dunkley was worth every bit of 2 late first rounders.

So if Brisbane traded the best asset in the dunkley trade and hawks traded their best asset in the barrass trade why can't west coast trade pick 3 for 2 other 1st rounders ?

Saints did the same when Brad Hill went to freo . Pick 6 they thought was too much so they traded it for 12 + 18 then traded 12 + 18 for 10 ryder and Howard.

 

[WCE777]

You are not taking into account:

Other options. Eg treloar trade ran risk of other Victorian clubs coming in. There are no other options for Warner. Even baker had freo lurking.

Fact that swans can’t pay him and fit him in cap to what he will get at wce. So “ we can’t trade you Chad …and now we will only now offer you $0.5k less”. Bodes well.

I can’t rule out that clubs do stupid shit. We are lucky that pyke sidelined our list manager for barrass trade after baker debacle. Hawks tried to get him for peanuts, not for “what he is worth”.

Clubs definitely use leverage. Richmond used leverage. I mean Bolton better win the Brownlow. That’s what trading is. Bolton is not worth what freo paid for him and if he was out of contract, there is no way Freo would have paid what they did.

100%
couldn't have said it better myself

 

[WCE777]

Difference is that Harley will have half of Victorian clubs being able to fit him in their salary.

Therefore they will need to pony up the picks, otherwise they risk other clubs coming in. They may not, but in back of their mind, they will know there is a possibility. Something that affects what is offered.

If he, say chooses Essendon. Then Essendon knows if trade can’t be done, he will not go past Richmond in draft. Essendon knows that, eagles know that. Eagles also damn know that Richmond will put its first picks on table to trump Essendon and hope there is a stalemate.

Something there is no risk with Warner. Freo can’t offer money or picks.

your making so much sense

 

[JammoMonty]

It makes sense for Harley Reid to want Chad Warner coming over, it will make "their" team way more competitive.

It might also mean that Freo throwing money at Warner could also mean Reid leaves the Eagles later.

A two star turnaround.

It did make sense until Rich01 poured cold water on it. We can return back to our New Year’s resolutions as this thread is done and dusted.

 

[Taylor]

How much cap do you think freo have with brayshaw not yet signed?

They would need to get rid of some major players.

I think the competition should read Freo signing long term extensions to players already under contract as structuring salary cap space over the next two to three years.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

And Sydney can say we want more

Sure but what Sydney can't do is say you have to stay.

Unlike the Bolton trade last year where freo had to satisfy Richmond or no deal would be done

 

[briztoon]

In that case, we should trade down and say that’s all we have.

That is an option, split 3 for an early teens pick and a future first.

Not necessarily what I’d hope for as an Eagles supporter, and probably better off waiting to see where you and Hawthorn both finish before really discussing things.

 

[briztoon]

Dunkley was worth every bit of 2 late first rounders.

So if Brisbane traded the best asset in the dunkley trade and hawks traded their best asset in the barrass trade why can't west coast trade pick 3 for 2 other 1st rounders ?

Saints did the same when Brad Hill went to freo . Pick 6 they thought was too much so they traded it for 12 + 18 then traded 12 + 18 for 10 ryder and Howard.

See my post above.

I haven’t argued against this btw.

 

[THE_GUN]

He ain’t worth more than Dangerfield or Neale. The Brownlow medalists.

Yeah I like it how you quite Carlton trades who already filled their boots with talent and can afford to be more lax. Those players didn’t command club breaking salaries and original club could easily accomodate money if trade didn’t happen. Sydney can’t not trade and then come to him and pay him $0.5m less. lol

Not to mention there likely would have been other Melbourne clubs for cerra and saad.

There were no other Brisbane clubs. There were no other Geelong clubs.

If you really believe what you type then you are in for a bigger shock than you received in the Baker trade
sydney is going to take your 1st rounder this year plus more and im happy to put my money where my mouth is and will take any bet

 

[THE_GUN]

You are right, I should have known better.

Agree