Speculation Chad Warner

[Get_The_Gaff]

I highly doubt that and that is just made up
Pyke has full confidence in Clarke and he will be dealing the trade other wise he would have been sacked by now
thats just wishfull thinking from eagles fans

Wrong

after the pick 3 trade outrage and pick 14 for Baker trade clarke was relegated from driver to passenger

Clarke was even sent out of the room during barrass trade negotiations

 

[THE_GUN]

Wrong

after the pick 3 trade outrage and pick 14 for Baker trade clarke was relegated from driver to passenger

Clarke was even sent out of the room during barrass trade negotiations

Can you provide some evidence to your claim
or is it a "in the know that posts on bigfooty "


Happy to take bets

 

[bzparkes]

Then next minute


Matty Clarke runs into the room pick #3 on a platter along with Hawks 1st rounder

Our first rounder may be involved, who knows?

The point is, Sydney aren't giving up receiving 2x first rounders for an out of contract Chad Warner, just to 'let' him go to Richmond, if WCE refuse to involve our first rounder.

The only precedence in recent years of a club letting a player walk is Gold Coast with Jack Martin. GC have had so many top picks over the years they could afford to let him walk, because it wouldn't have mattered tot heir draft hand anyway.

Just look at how the Bulldogs have folded twice now, after trying to play hardball with Dunkley and Smith. Sydney will take a trade over letting Warner walk to the draft. I'm sure WCE will offer something adequate, should he request a trade tot hem.

 

[briztoon]

Can you provide some evidence to your claim
or is it a "in the know that posts on bigfooty "


Happy to take bets

Oh, it is 100% this. However the ITK is almost universally regarded as genuine on the WC board, has a really impressive record for providing insights, and some of the stuff he posts, you’d almost bet your house that he’s genuine.

If he’s not actually in the room, then it’s his next door neighbour/brother who is, and they’re having coffee and a chat 3 or 4 times a day over the fence.

And from what I’ve read over the last 3 years, you can’t catch him out on a single thing he’s said.

And some of the stuff is said months in advance, and it’s often stuff that you’re not making an educated guess on.

 

[briztoon]

Just look at how the Bulldogs have folded twice now, after trying to play hardball with Dunkley and Smith. Sydney will take a trade over letting Warner walk to the draft. I'm sure WCE will offer something adequate, should he request a trade tot hem.

Just on this, the Bulldogs received unders, because in both trades, that is all Brisbane and Geelong had to offer.

In this scenario West Coast has the trade capital to meet Sydney’s potential asking price, but a lot of West Coast fans don’t want to pay what fans of other clubs are suggesting is fair value.

 

[Rich01]

Oh, it is 100% this. However the ITK is almost universally regarded as genuine on the WC board, has a really impressive record for providing insights, and some of the stuff he posts, you’d almost bet your house that he’s genuine.

If he’s not actually in the room, then it’s his next door neighbour/brother who is, and they’re having coffee and a chat 3 or 4 times a day over the fence.

And from what I’ve read over the last 3 years, you can’t catch him out on a single thing he’s said.

And some of the stuff is said months in advance, and it’s often stuff that you’re not making an educated guess on.

Yup.
I don’t doubt the validity of the claim.

But I’m astounded they decided the list manager who was recruited to do a job was effectively told not to do it.

It sounds like Clarke has lost the trust of the bloke that hired him.

But some have now in this thread also lauded his ability to turn pick three into Baker, Allan and Gross and also get Owies and Graham across.

Seems to be the cat the fans like to kick when they aren’t happy.

 

[bzparkes]

Just on this, the Bulldogs received unders, because in both trades, that is all Brisbane and Geelong had to offer.

In this scenario West Coast has the trade capital to meet Sydney’s potential asking price, but a lot of West Coast fans don’t want to pay what fans of other clubs are suggesting is fair value.

They may have received unders, but that's entirely the point. A club will accept what's on offer because they won't give the player up for nothing.

West Coast isn't obliged to offer their first rounder this year if they don't want to. They could simply say it's off the table altogether and there's nothing Sydney can do.

 

[WCE777]

Oh, it is 100% this. However the ITK is almost universally regarded as genuine on the WC board, has a really impressive record for providing insights, and some of the stuff he posts, you’d almost bet your house that he’s genuine.

If he’s not actually in the room, then it’s his next door neighbour/brother who is, and they’re having coffee and a chat 3 or 4 times a day over the fence.

And from what I’ve read over the last 3 years, you can’t catch him out on a single thing he’s said.

And some of the stuff is said months in advance, and it’s often stuff that you’re not making an educated guess on.

ITK?

 

[bzparkes]

Yup.
I don’t doubt the validity of the claim.

But I’m astounded they decided the list manager who was recruited to do a job was effectively told not to do it.

It sounds like Clarke has lost the trust of the bloke that hired him.

But some have now in this thread also lauded his ability to turn pick three into Baker, Allan and Gross and also get Owies and Graham across.

Seems to be the cat the fans like to kick when they aren’t happy.

A culmination of Clarke and Pyke being both in their first year, I imagine.

I'd expect a bit more composure this year.

At the very least, Clarke was able to correctly identify the deadwood that needed culling as in years past, half of those blokes would've been offered an extra year or 2.

 

[bzparkes]

ITK?

'In the know'

 

[WCE777]

They may have received unders, but that's entirely the point. A club will accept what's on offer because they won't give the player up for nothing.

West Coast isn't obliged to offer their first rounder this year if they don't want to. They could simply say it's off the table altogether and there's nothing Sydney can do.

100%, WC have heaps of draft capital and will offer a fair price, they always deal in good faith.
More than any other club in the chase for Warner, it's Sydney or WC.
Hawks 1st(9-11), WC F1st(4-6) is an appropriate deal and fair price, in trading land that's 2 top 10 picks with the future discount, really about what WC and Sydney want and can agree on.

 

[WCE777]

'In the know'

sure sound like he was quoting a person?

 

[bzparkes]

sure sound like he was quoting a person

WCE_Phil

 

[WCE777]

WCE_Phil

that's who I was thinking, cheers

 

[briztoon]

They may have received unders, but that's entirely the point. A club will accept what's on offer because they won't give the player up for nothing.

West Coast isn't obliged to offer their first rounder this year if they don't want to. They could simply say it's off the table altogether and there's nothing Sydney can do.

That’s not exactly true, Sydney could throw the toys out of the pram and send him to the draft or PSD.

Richmond most likely take him, or you have to use pick 3 if in the ND if you want him.


I’m just playing devils advocate here. I don’t personally believe he’s worth pick 3, and also believe Hawks pick plus your F1 is overs as well.

 

[THE_GUN]

Oh, it is 100% this. However the ITK is almost universally regarded as genuine on the WC board, has a really impressive record for providing insights, and some of the stuff he posts, you’d almost bet your house that he’s genuine.

If he’s not actually in the room, then it’s his next door neighbour/brother who is, and they’re having coffee and a chat 3 or 4 times a day over the fence.

And from what I’ve read over the last 3 years, you can’t catch him out on a single thing he’s said.

And some of the stuff is said months in advance, and it’s often stuff that you’re not making an educated guess on.

Was he not the one who also said that #3 would not be used in a trade for Baker ?
Matty Clarke was brought into the club to do a job and he wont be told what to do and not to do and will do what he thinks is right. Pyke is not going to be paying a puppet to sit out of the room and other people do his job

This is bigfooty thinking but in club land everybody does there job and list managers are not told to sit out specially when he is allowed to trade away pick #14 for Baker

Clarke is the boss as far as the list goes .................. Until they sack him which they wont


* On another point why do you take the crap they give you and keep going back for more ?

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

Yup.
I don’t doubt the validity of the claim.

But I’m astounded they decided the list manager who was recruited to do a job was effectively told not to do it.

It sounds like Clarke has lost the trust of the bloke that hired him.

But some have now in this thread also lauded his ability to turn pick three into Baker, Allan and Gross and also get Owies and Graham across.

Seems to be the cat the fans like to kick when they aren’t happy.

Ha ha I don't think I have seen 1 poster on big footy wce board that was happy with anything clark did in the trade period

Traded pick 3 ✖
Got a shit deal for pick 3 ✖
Owies as part of the pick 3 trade when Carlton didn't offer him a contract ✖
Gave up 14 for Baker ✖
Gave that potato Graham a 4 years contract ✖
Didn't explore options to get more picks in the draft ✖

 

[bzparkes]

That’s not exactly true, Sydney could throw the toys out of the pram and send him to the draft or PSD.

Richmond most likely take him, or you have to use pick 3 if in the ND if you want him.


I’m just playing devils advocate here. I don’t personally believe he’s worth pick 3, and also believe Hawks pick plus your F1 is overs as well.

I understand you're playing devil's advocate but there's zero chance Sydney do either of those things, not the least because of his management group, if they ever want to attempt to trade players in who are managed by them ever again.

 

[briztoon]

Was he not the one who also said that #3 would not be used in a trade for Baker ?

Not from my memory. I'm pretty sure he said 3 would be traded.

Matty Clarke was brought into the club to do a job and he wont be told what to do and not to do and will do what he thinks is right. Pyke is not going to be paying a puppet to sit out of the room and other people do his job

This is bigfooty thinking but in club land everybody does there job and list managers are not told to sit out specially when he is allowed to trade away pick #14 for Baker

Clarke is the boss as far as the list goes .................. Until they sack him which they wont

Clarke was very nieve early on, giving some interviews and making statements that robbed WC of any bargaining position from the very beginning.

A list manager is just that, a person who managers the list. He can be removed from trade discussions, by the head of football, if he shows a weakness in actual bargaining.

* On another point why do you take the crap they give you and keep going back for more ?

I don't like the crap. There's a lot posters who engage in genuine discussion and don't make it personal. The couple of others who have their knickers in a knot, a lot of the time I just scroll past. Most boards don't take kindly to oppo posters coming on and saying what they think, if they perceive it as an attack on their club. There was a fair bit arrogance about the stature and history of their club on there, when I first started posting there, mostly from a couple who have gotten nasty now, but it's interesting to see a lot of that arrogance gone now from the general vibe.

As a team board in general, it's a pretty good board, funny and a lot of good craic. Every team board is different. The Richmond board is rabid, and can be very nasty in general, and that's just me reading various threads and not engaging at all.

 

[briztoon]

Ha ha I don't think I have seen 1 poster on big footy wce board that was happy with anything clark did in the trade period

Traded pick 3 ✖
Got a shit deal for pick 3 ✖
Owies as part of the pick 3 trade when Carlton didn't offer him a contract ✖
Gave up 14 for Baker ✖
Gave that potato Graham a 4 years contract ✖
Didn't explore options to get more picks in the draft ✖

There are a couple of posters who have started to defend his trade period as a whole, and write a narrative that WC's draft has saved the trade period.

 

[The Receding Pony]

It would seem that if WC secured Chads services they would have to part with their 2025 First rounder and probably Hawks first rounder. Unless they were ballsy enough to split their 2025 1st rounder and then say to Sydney all we have now are these picks...

If he chose Fremantle - im certain they would be more than happy to package up 2025 and 2026 First rounders as its all the draft capital they have.

Sydney would rather deal with WC as they have better capital but if he chooses Fremantle they have no choice but to accept what Freo have.

Dan Houston was a good example of this scenario. Albeit contracted, he wanted to head home to Melbourne. North had a better offer on the table for Port but he didnt want to go there. Ended up at the the club he wanted to go to for worse captial.

 

[Superstar swan]

Sounds like something someone from an entitled club like the swans would say .

You have had so many hand outs and advantages you can afford to let this one slide

How is that entitled. Short term pain for long term gain.

If a player of chads calibre is sent to the draft, it completely resets landscape going forward. No longer will clubs have to bluff and be blackmailed into taking below market value for players.

If you want to chose where you play , wait until you qualify for free agency, otherwise your options is sign on with your club or be sent to the doldrums of the league , probably a different state than the one you want to go to. It’s that simple.

Tired of clubs being held ransom by players * ( read partners).

 

[Superstar swan]

I didn't say that about Baker.

The only person to say that on this thread is a swans poster saying 'we would let him walk to the draft for that price '

I didn’t say “we” . I like 99.9% of this site have no official affiliation with the club . I’m not privy to negotiations, that most on here think they are doing for the clubs. Grown ups ( I think) role playing list managers and arguing over what they’re gonna offer is both embarrassing and entertaining .

My personal opinion as a bottom of the barrel fan and who’s sole requirement for the club is to throw endless money into it , is that I would send him to the draft unless wce pony up to close to market value.

 

[Get_The_Gaff]

How is that entitled. Short term pain for long term gain.

If a player of chads calibre is sent to the draft, it completely resets landscape going forward. No longer will clubs have to bluff and be blackmailed into taking below market value for players.

If you want to chose where you play , wait until you qualify for free agency, otherwise your options is sign on with your club or be sent to the doldrums of the league , probably a different state than the one you want to go to. It’s that simple.

Tired of clubs being held ransom by players * ( read partners).

A club without your advantages couldn't afford to let an asset like warner go to send a msg without serious setbacks to their list build.

But you get 3 top 20 players next draft through your academy so it's offset .

We finished last and 3rd last and only got 2 top 20 picks in 2 seasons