Strategy Changes and Pre-match discussion (Freo 15/7, MCG 1.45pm)

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sr36 said:
If you just go on last night you could say the same about Darcy Moore too. The reality is that our defenders play off their man - the agile jumping KPFs like Naughton and JUH would love it, but so far this season our defence has been outstanding.
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And last night our mids were getting beaten in the first half. Putting pressure on backline. DeGoey bit fumbly to start but got cleaner. 3rd quarter we made adjustments, played our way and smashed them.
 
In: Mihocek, Maynard, Sidebottom

Out: Frampton, WHE, Bianco (sub)

No idea who gets the sub vest next week. Also no clue on who else comes out if McStay comes in. Not sure you can drop AJ off the back of a 3 goal game.
 

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Dead Eye Didak said:
Tough selections for next weekend.......

In: Mihocek, Maynard, Sidebottom

Out: Frampton, WHE, Bianco (sub), Lipinski

I would then play Lipinski as the sub against Freo.....
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I thought Lipinski was really solid last night. Created a number of opportunities up forward especially in the first half when we needed them, and added a big goal in the last. Played his role well the last two weeks
 
adammania9 said:
I thought Lipinski was really solid last night. Created a number of opportunities up forward especially in the first half when we needed them, and added a big goal in the last. Played his role well the last two weeks
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He’s been out for 3 months as well. Takes time to build game time and confidence
 
OUT: Hoskin-Elliott (injured), Bianco (sub)
IN: McStay, Sidebottom

Doubt Mihocek plays. Maynard could but tend to agree another week off might be most beneficial. Dockers forwards shouldn’t trouble the rest of our boys.

B: Isaac Quaynor - Darcy Moore - Nathan Murphy
HB: John Noble - Jeremy Howe - Jack Crisp
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Steele Sidebottom
R: Darcy Cameron - Jordan De Goey - Nick Daicos
HF: Pat Lipinski - Dan McStay - Taylor Adams
F: Jamie Elliott - Mason Cox - Ash Johnson
I: Beau McCreery - Scott Pendlebury - Bobby Hill - Oleg Markov
Sub: Billy Frampton

How to make room for Mihocek and McStay is a head scratcher
 
adammania9 said:
OUT: Hoskin-Elliott (injured), Bianco (sub)
IN: McStay, Sidebottom

Doubt Mihocek plays. Maynard could but tend to agree another week off might be most beneficial. Dockers forwards shouldn’t trouble the rest of our boys.

B: Isaac Quaynor - Darcy Moore - Nathan Murphy
HB: John Noble - Jeremy Howe - Jack Crisp
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Steele Sidebottom
R: Darcy Cameron - Jordan De Goey - Nick Daicos
HF: Pat Lipinski - Dan McStay - Taylor Adams
F: Jamie Elliott - Mason Cox - Ash Johnson
I: Beau McCreery - Scott Pendlebury - Bobby Hill - Oleg Markov
Sub: Billy Frampton
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I could live with that 👍
 
adammania9 said:
I thought Lipinski was really solid last night. Created a number of opportunities up forward especially in the first half when we needed them, and added a big goal in the last. Played his role well the last two weeks
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Agree. Has re-adjusted to the pace and looking like last year's Lippa.

Shows how brutal our one half judgements of someone like Bianco. Not only adjusting to the pace, but also a lot more pressure on him as Lippa was going to get games to adjust.
 
adammania9 said:
I thought Lipinski was really solid last night. Created a number of opportunities up forward especially in the first half when we needed them, and added a big goal in the last. Played his role well the last two weeks
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Yep, building nicely.
Crisp is also showing some glimpses the last half a dozen games.
If we can get these two back to 2022 form look out.

from my Delorean
 
Aussie pie said:
Before anyone calls for McStay to come in he had 5 disposals in the VFL and was all but invisible. He’s not a “tall” in the tall sense he’s a checkers tall. He’s not skilled and has no tricks he’s a bash and crash type. Can’t have both him and checkers in the same side.
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And the solution is?
 
adammania9 said:
OUT: Hoskin-Elliott (injured), Bianco (sub)
IN: McStay, Sidebottom

Doubt Mihocek plays. Maynard could but tend to agree another week off might be most beneficial. Dockers forwards shouldn’t trouble the rest of our boys.

B: Isaac Quaynor - Darcy Moore - Nathan Murphy
HB: John Noble - Jeremy Howe - Jack Crisp
C: Josh Daicos - Tom Mitchell - Steele Sidebottom
R: Darcy Cameron - Jordan De Goey - Nick Daicos
HF: Pat Lipinski - Dan McStay - Taylor Adams
F: Jamie Elliott - Mason Cox - Ash Johnson
I: Beau McCreery - Scott Pendlebury - Bobby Hill - Oleg Markov
Sub: Billy Frampton

How to make room for Mihocek and McStay is a head scratcher
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Agree. Except I'd probably have a different sub. Frampton needs to be settled and get a full game in defence in the VFL or AFL. He doesn't look to have the smarts to seamlessly change roles - it's a big ask
 
sr36 said:
Agree. Has re-adjusted to the pace and looking like last year's Lippa.

Shows how brutal our one half judgements of someone like Bianco. Not only adjusting to the pace, but also a lot more pressure on him as Lippa was going to get games to adjust.
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Yo me it’s very clear what Lippa adds at high half-forward. He’s selfless and sets up his mates with good vision and clean skills. Yes he’s slow, and he doesn’t make the best decision every time, but he’s got X-factor and he will provide opportunities to Elliott, McStay, Johnson etc.
 

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Aussie pie said:
Before anyone calls for McStay to come in he had 5 disposals in the VFL and was all but invisible. He’s not a “tall” in the tall sense he’s a checkers tall. He’s not skilled and has no tricks he’s a bash and crash type. Can’t have both him and checkers in the same side.
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That’s the biggest load of nonsense I’ve ever heard. Well maybe not ever. At least in the last hour or so. I did go on the main board this morning after all…
 
No SPIN said:
We smashed PA and they both played.
As did Cox, Cameron and Frampton.
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Frampton came in for howe. But yes, it seems their preferred forward set up is Mihocek + Mcstay then the two rucks. Until a time they think its best to go with 1 ruck. When or if that may be, we shall see.
 
Scodog10 said:
I can on the basis of Frampton’s night last night and what we know the club has in mind as our best mix which includes McStay.

I’m not going to buy in on the selection integrity stuff and I’ll back in Fly and co who are certainly talking up McStay’s return. The cold hard reality is Frampton didn’t do enough of the competitive stuff which will kill us next week against the Dockers.

On McStay’s actual performance it was no worse than Ginnivan’s or AJ’s last week and we all saw what that meant for AJ last night. I think we need to keep in mind he played 75% of the final 3/4’s (or roughly 50% of the match overall), with some pretty shoddy use in transition and against an AFL quality defender. He’s not the saviour, but he’s absolutely an improvement on Frampton the forward.

Edit: I think I should add some context around the standard of VFL v AFL. Bianco is a guy who is considered a good user at that level and last night he was a long way off it. I have no doubt there was a mental aspect to that, but I think you’d be mad to look only at stats and not consider the difference in ball movement between the two levels. There’ll be times where you’ve done everything right as a fwd have your man dead to rights only for the final possession to be with Tardrew or Hustwaite, who are decent VFL types, but infinitely far behind Hill and the Daicos’. I’m not blind to the possibility we don’t pick McStay, but I seriously doubt it’s down to output in that case.
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As a deep forward, it's probably a little more difficult in the VFL having to rely on quick, quality delivery. If he played seniors, I'm sure his numbers would have been better this week, than his VFL numbers.

Don't know why he didn't play further up the ground yesterday.
 
Aussie pie said:
Before anyone calls for McStay to come in he had 5 disposals in the VFL and was all but invisible. He’s not a “tall” in the tall sense he’s a checkers tall. He’s not skilled and has no tricks he’s a bash and crash type. Can’t have both him and checkers in the same side.
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Disagree. You're underselling Checkers. He's an Allround good forward. McStay will allow Checkers to hit at the footy more and also get higher and turn his man which is a real strength of his.
 
VinnieB said:
As a deep forward, it's probably a little more difficult in the VFL having to rely on quick, quality delivery. If he played seniors, I'm sure his numbers would have been better this week, than his VFL numbers.

Don't know why he didn't play further up the ground yesterday.
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He'll be practicing his AFL role.
 
Scodog10 said:
I can on the basis of Frampton’s night last night and what we know the club has in mind as our best mix which includes McStay.

I’m not going to buy in on the selection integrity stuff and I’ll back in Fly and co who are certainly talking up McStay’s return. The cold hard reality is Frampton didn’t do enough of the competitive stuff which will kill us next week against the Dockers.

On McStay’s actual performance it was no worse than Ginnivan’s or AJ’s last week and we all saw what that meant for AJ last night. I think we need to keep in mind he played 75% of the final 3/4’s (or roughly 50% of the match overall), with some pretty shoddy use in transition and against an AFL quality defender. He’s not the saviour, but he’s absolutely an improvement on Frampton the forward.

Edit: I think I should add some context around the standard of VFL v AFL. Bianco is a guy who is considered a good user at that level and last night he was a long way off it. I have no doubt there was a mental aspect to that, but I think you’d be mad to look only at stats and not consider the difference in ball movement between the two levels. There’ll be times where you’ve done everything right as a fwd have your man dead to rights only for the final possession to be with Tardrew or Hustwaite, who are decent VFL types, but infinitely far behind Hill and the Daicos’. I’m not blind to the possibility we don’t pick McStay, but I seriously doubt it’s down to output in that case.
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This. I was really keen on Frampton because of his versatility but he probably played himself out of a spot last night.

I'm not convinced McStay is ready to go but if Fly n co say so then i'll get around it.
 
stormskye said:
I doubt checkers plays. I’m no doc but Hamstrings seem to be notorious for re-injuring or making worse. No point risking checkers and 7 days seems risky even for “tightness”. Even more so given Oliver’s troubles
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They scanned it and it was given the all clear.

I think it was more a 'managed' than anything else.

If we're deadset on Checkers and McStay being our key forwards then they need as much game time together as possible.
 
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