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briztoon said:
Perception and narrative where?

BigFooty or the Media.

It’s not in bad shape, but we have some key players out with long term injury. And we’re rushing key players back early from soft tissue injury or surgery, with predictable results of them pulling up lame.

Secondly, 3 of our 4 most important players are hitting the wrong side of 30, while the ex captain is just about done.

There is definitely a clock on our window, especially if the next tier of players aren’t capable of stepping up a rung or two.

It’s not that we have no game plan, but the one we have relies so heavily on a small group of individuals, and if they are missing or not performing (or no longer capable) to the level required, we don’t appear to have other players of stepping up.

Luke Hodge has said for years, that we rely on individual brilliance more than system to win games.

Who’s saying that?

It certainly looks like quite a few are lacking confidence.

They’re not. That’s definitely driven by just the one individual here.

Neale and McKenna coming back obviously underdone deserves to be questioned. Not sure who made that call.
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Both.

Sounds like you're saying our rehab/medical staff are below par.

33 is the new 30 with modern training and game management techniques IMO.

Every club has a flag clock/window the debate is how long is it open.

Sounds awfully like we have no game plan.

It has been inferred by some on here.

I agree.

I'd say it's a pretty fair bet the medical/rehab team made that call.
 
briztoon said:
He found space when the opposition turned the ball over further up the field, because his man had run off him to support the opposition attack, and Lyons hadn't even bothered to trail the play.

Watch the replay yourself. Lyons didn't find space by running harder than his direct opposition. You're seeing what you want to see, and not actually watching the game.
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Its been the same issue with Lyons for about 3 years now (and there were hints to it earlier, when GC were happy to let him go). When the ball is at the contest Lyons is great - probably only second to Neale. But as soon as the ball moves quick he is probably the biggest defensive liability in the team (even more than Daniher and Rayner). He doesnt run back, he cant keep up with his man and other teams 100% exploit him.

Even back 2 weeks ago in the footage where McKay kicked the winner the video showed how Carlton had an outnumber because Cripps had run forward. Im very certain that Lyons was his man and was caught standing in no mans land about 40m off Cripps at the top of the 50 with his hands on his hips.

It took forever for him to be dropped 2 years ago when it was clear to everyone for at least a month how hampered it was. It took forever for Gunston to be dropped when it was clear for a long time how much he hurt our defensive efforts. Both times the team improved massively once the worst defensive runners were dropped.

Its a sharp contrast to how certain young players get played out of position and dropped incredibly fast. It only takes a bad quarter for any of Payne, Prior, Sharp, Tunstill, Dev, etc to be dropped
 
Outs- Oscar McInerney, Jarrod Berry, Connor McKenna(inj), Darcy Gardiner(inj), Zac Bailey, Jarryd Lyons.

Ins- Darcy Fort, Kai Lohmann, James Tunstill, Lachie Neale, Tom Doedee🤞, Harry Sharp.

Brandon Starcevich, Harris Andrews, Ryan Lester.
Dayne Zorko, Tom Doedee, Darcy Wilmot.

Darcy Fort, Hugh McCluggage, Harry Sharp.
Lachie Neale, Josh Dunkley, Dev Robertson.

Cam Rayner, Eric Hipwood, Charlie Cameron.
Lincoln McCarthy, Joe Daniher, Kai Lohmann.

James Tunstill, Noah Answerth, Jaspa Fletcher, Callum Ah Chee... Sub- Zac Bailey.
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We desperately need someone with a bit of dare re disposal coming out of the back so send Zorko back. Play Dev as the 3rd inside mid, Sharp and McCluggage the main wingers, Rayner to primarily play as the 3rd tall forward, Lohmann to concentrate on defensive pressure in the F50.
 

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SizeMatters said:
Looking at the stats of the game I'm surprised some of the metrics were 'close' compared to the eye ball test. Dockers had more of the ball, dominated clearances, a lot more tackles and had a much much better rebound 50 conversion rate than the Lions. We just didn't turn up for a contest. Our forwards provided * all defensive presence and put a lot of stress on our one paced midfield to cover Freos more active mids. Over and over again the ease of which freo were to transition out of their D50 and force our lazy and/or slow mids like JL, Bailey, Rayner to defend and obviously fail was a big red warning sign against the Lions midfield mix.

We got dominated in the contest by a back flanker ffs.
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We dominated the first qtr, but could not find a goal after the first 4 (2 of which were gifts). We showed the customary inability to prevent the opposition scoring in red time. Then it really went to shit.
When Freo finally run out of puff & players (or Brisbane figured out how get the ball moving forward), again we missed easy goals. Kai, Hipwood, Charlie. Get 2 of those goals and we get back within a sniff.
The massive Q2/Q3 lapse in the past 2 weeks has been awful - but inability to create shots on goal when the ball is trapped in our forward half, or to miss easy chances when we do - is a big issue for me.
 
lionshine said:
More curious on everyone’s thoughts on how the bye will impact us? Does it essentially become another Round 1 match where we are rusty? It usually takes every team 2-4 games to start the year to really hit their straps and eliminate any off season rust. Playing two games(In which we have been well below our best) and having a bye could see us come out very flat and rusty for another week or two?

Hope I’m wrong but we always seem to be a team that needs a few matches under our belt to get going.
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I don’t think it will hurt coming out of the blocks slower than we have the last 2 weeks.
 
I am not sure how it come across on the tv but I thought that Noah Answerth was one of our better performers on the day.
Wouldn’t be dropping him especially with the turnover we have had through there already.
We do need someone with some flair in the back half especially with kicking and the only player I see with that ability is Zorko.
Or we promote Shadaeu Brain, he does appear to be someone who backs his kicking ability.
 
I think we are getting too caught up in our 'lapses' during games. On the weekend it wasn't a lapse. Freo were atrocious in the first 15 minutes. I recall them practically giving us a few cheapies early (one for a 50m penalty). We started well but I would say it was more about how Freo started as opposed to us dominating. From about halfway through the first qtr the tide was turning.

The biggest problem we have atm is we our mids aren't getting their hands on the ball, particularly around stoppages, and we can't/ don't cover the ground quick enough to defend and attack in transition.

How do we fix it? Get the best runners we have in the team and start trusting a few of the younger players to play their natural games. Our forward half (hunt in packs) pressure game is just non-existent. The swans were amazing in the regard against Collingwood on the weekend. Need to take a leaf out of their book. They weren't just manic in their pressure but they were well set up behind the ball too.
 
RoyBoy17 said:
I think we are getting too caught up in our 'lapses' during games. On the weekend it wasn't a lapse. Freo were atrocious in the first 15 minutes. I recall them practically giving us a few cheapies early (one for a 50m penalty). We started well but I would say it was more about how Freo started as opposed to us dominating. From about halfway through the first qtr the tide was turning.

How do we fix it? Get the best runners we have in the team and start trusting a few of the younger players to play their natural games. Our forward half (hunt in packs) pressure game is just non-existent. The swans were amazing in the regard against Collingwood on the weekend. Need to take a leaf out of their book. They weren't just manic in their pressure but they were well set up behind the ball too.
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Of the younger guys Harry Sharp, Jaxon Prior, Kai Lohmann, Dev Robertson, Jaspa Fletcher are all good runners, Noah Answerth also busts his gut to every contest, have not seen enough recently to tell how good his endurance is at the moment.

So 4 of those guys were in the side against the Dockers.
 
Squizz89 said:
4 weeks with the hamstring for McKenna. Gardiner still TBC. Don’t remember copping injuries like this for about 5-6 years.
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Goes to show how foolish / desperate we were to rush back an underdone McKenna on the back of Kiddy’s injury and now it has turned into a 4 week injury. A lot clearly going wrong across many football department functions at the club at the moment.
 

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McIvor said:
Goes to show how foolish / desperate we were to rush back an underdone McKenna on the back of Kiddy’s injury and now it has turned into a 4 week injury. A lot clearly going wrong across many football department functions at the club at the moment.
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I don't know where the fault lies here and maybe Connor himself was involved but it was clear to me after 2 or 3 contests that he just wasn't moving with his usual freedom or strength in the contest. Just walked off in the end so I don't think it was anything separate that happened in the game
 
McIvor said:
Goes to show how foolish / desperate we were to rush back an underdone McKenna on the back of Kiddy’s injury and now it has turned into a 4 week injury. A lot clearly going wrong across many football department functions at the club at the moment.
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Didn't realise you were a doctor.
 
iBeng said:
We clearly rushed McKenna back in the panic to replace Coleman.
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Seems pretty clear they were always expecting him to play round 1 even before Kiddy’s injury

www.lions.com.au

Qscan Injury Report: McKenna Available

The Brisbane Lions expect Conor McKenna to be available for next week’s Round One clash against Fremantle.
www.lions.com.au www.lions.com.au
 
Nick Reiwoldt said today re the Lions you can only go to the well so many times, he said similar vibes to the Saints post 2010 GF loss, they may have been broken by the close loss, he said the Lions are a worry.

Saints scrapped into 2011 finals but Nick says they were never going to get it done, went out first week of finals.
 
Nathan Barley said:
Seems pretty clear they were always expecting him to play round 1 even before Kiddy’s injury

www.lions.com.au

Qscan Injury Report: McKenna Available

The Brisbane Lions expect Conor McKenna to be available for next week’s Round One clash against Fremantle.
www.lions.com.au www.lions.com.au
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We did Nathan but surely you could tell he wasn't right early on. I suppose it could've been rustiness.

It's done now . So no use wondering why. Just get him right before he goes again.
 
M Malice said:
Nick Reiwoldt said today re the Lions you can only go to the well so many times, he said similar vibes to the Saints post 2010 GF loss, they may have been broken by the close loss, he said the Lions are a worry.

Saints scrapped into 2011 finals but Nick says they were never going to get it done, went out first week of finals.
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At least these issues are being raised 2 games in.

Gives the coach plenty of ammunition for our next game.
 
Nunez said:
Didn't realise you were a doctor.
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Did I neee to be? What Martinson said; pretty evident he wasn’t 100% very early in the game and surely when it comes to hamstring’s you always err on the side of caution and I’d hazard to guess that if Kiddy doesn’t injure himself in round one, Conor would’ve been he’d over until the Pies game.
 
McIvor said:
Did I neee to be? What Martinson said; pretty evident he wasn’t 100% very early in the game and surely when it comes to hamstring’s you always err on the side of caution and I’d hazard to guess that if Kiddy doesn’t injure himself in round one, Conor would’ve been he’d over until the Pies game.
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You're making an assumption he was rushed back in hindsight despite the fact he had a minor hamstring strain and we planned for round one weeks earlier - which WAS the cautious option.
 
Whether he was rushed back or not we’ll probably never really know and I guess it doesn’t really matter now.

What is a bigger concern is how important he became once Kiddy went down. We are now relying on him when he gets back to see out the year with a dodgy hammy. Not ideal whichever way you look at it.
 
Carlton lost 8 games in the middle of season and 6 straight before it turned for them in 2023. Not saying we have to lose that many but sometimes footy is a funny game to analyze. Lot more going on between the ears than what gets executed on the field.

We know we have the players, right age profile, good talent and just lost a granny by 4. We just have to knuckle down and keep at it. It'll turn for sure but the players have to believe, along with the coaching group.
 
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