Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - GRAND FINAL vs. Brisbane MCG, 2:30pm Sat 30/09

[daicos mark 2]

mcstay injury has really hurt us as it has a domino affect. If we move Howe forward then we lose his intercepting, 3rd man up and kicking out of defence.

If we keep Howe back we will be way too short up forward and Andrews will have a field day.

If we play cox more forward we lose his ruck contest in the centre against Oscar.

I think we will go with Cameron more forward like we did in when mcstay went off. Also think hoskin-Elliot will play more forward. But this doesn’t fill me with confidence. Even if we bring in Frampton to play forward it isn’t a great because he isn’t a forward at all.

I think we simply just play a resting ruck up forward and if that’s goes sour then we move Howe there.

Likely changes will be out mcstay in one of noble or adams. And Ginni will be in 22 if adams doesn’t get up. If adams plays noble misses and Ginni sub.

Basically that mcstay injury has killed us along with Johnson not available. Going to take some fly brilliance to figure this out

 

[thebigsaveloy]

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keep our structures everywhere else that have got us to the GF.

Adams will play, I’m confident. His incident wasnt at speed or running, it was a knock.

Out mcstay: in adams

Howe Moore maynard
IQ Murphy pendles
Sidey Degoey jaicos
Adams WHE hill
Elliot checkers mccreery
Cameron Mitchell crisp
Daicos, ginni, cox, markov
Sub: lipinski- play to his strength of running later in the game.

Jonny * noble I wish I could fit you in

Even more so than someone like WHE, any value Lipinski has to the team is lost as sub. He needs to either be in the 22 or not at all.

 

[Matt_352]

Out: McStay Lipinski
In: Adams Ginnivan
Sub: Noble

 

[Kappa]

This is a fair point. I'm uncomfortable with a competitor like Noble not being in our finals side. That's especially so when Lipinski is underwhelming. Reckon Brisbane are a team where the extra running defender would be useful.

We have two of our most competitive players out of the team: Adams, Noble. Would like to see both playing the GF.

The problem with Noble is that he actually isn't competitive in contested situations. In 1v1 contests and contested ball he struggles a lot, and a grand final could expose that.

I would use Noble as the sub and have him sprinting off half back with fresh legs to set up goals in the last quarter

 

[Kappa]

Out: McStay Lipinski
In: Adams Ginnivan
Sub: Noble

In the last quarter against GWS their small defenders absolutely ripped us apart and run riot with poor defensive pressure on them... that'll happen again if Ginnivan gets a full game, his opponent will run off him and set up rebounds.

Adams for McStay the only change. Noble sub.

 

[Harry O]

In the last quarter against GWS their small defenders absolutely ripped us apart and run riot with poor defensive pressure on them... that'll happen again if Ginnivan gets a full game, his opponent will run off him and set up rebounds.

Adams for McStay the only change. Noble sub.

Kiddy Coleman set up on Ginnivan last time and dominated as athletically he was way too good for him

 

[upnsmoke]

The problem with Noble is that he actually isn't competitive in contested situations. In 1v1 contests and contested ball he struggles a lot, and a grand final could expose that.

I would use Noble as the sub and have him sprinting off half back with fresh legs to set up goals in the last quarter

He's good as a loose man chasing the grounded ball and then quickly disposing it or running it out to the midfield... his disposal is usually OK but when he makes a mistake it's almost always a big mistake... as in a goal to the opposition.

 

[manicpie]

In the last quarter against GWS their small defenders absolutely ripped us apart and run riot with poor defensive pressure on them... that'll happen again if Ginnivan gets a full game, his opponent will run off him and set up rebounds.

Adams for McStay the only change. Noble sub.

I agree but not sure they risk Adams

 

[Quicky]

Cox needs to attend centre bounces because Cameron will get killed in there against oscar. Around the ground Cameron is ok. Yep Cameron and cox will need to rest a lot less on bench and spend more time up forward. The reasoning for Howe is that he can stop Andrews. If we don’t move Howe to stop him Andrews will win the norm smith

If our entries are high to Andrews we're in trouble regardless of whether Howe is parked on him. Our delivery needs to be better than that.

Howe is a good defender because he reads the flight well but that doesn't translate forward for him. I don't think he'll stop Andrews.

I want us to back our game and strengths rather than worry about theirs.

 

[jmac70]

Are you saying Mioceck as a single tall is adequate?

There were times in the GWS game where McStay, Checkers, Cameron and Cox were all in the forward line. With McStay out, we can push Cox and Cameron forward more.

 

[jmac70]

If our entries are high to Andrews we're in trouble regardless of whether Howe is parked on him. Our delivery needs to be better than that.

Howe is a good defender because he reads the flight well but that doesn't translate forward for him. I don't think he'll stop Andrews.

I want us to back our game and strengths rather than worry about theirs.

We will also have Naicos back to his best. He will provide Elliott and Checkers with good lead up passes

 

[Daicosian silk]

I was listening to Daisy Thomas and Joey Montagna on the radio yesterday. They reckon we should bring Ginni into the 22 and play a small forward line with Checkers and Coxzilla up forward. And let the other smalls and mediums like Bobby Hill and McCreery do their thing. Jamie Elliot plays taller than he is anyway. Reckon they’re probably right too tbh.

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at centre half forward. He’d been playing back all year. It was a total disaster. I recall Kevin Sheedy saying after the game that if you don’t have a centre half forward then don’t play one. Just play smaller. I’d be bringing Ginni into the 22. Reckon he’s the sort of player that could really fire on grand final day. And if Adams passes his fitness test he needs to come into the 22 too. He’s a competitive beast and leader of the club. He’ll be a big asset. Play Lippa as sub and if Adams pings a hammy he comes on. The sub is there for insurance and I reckon we should take the risk

 

[Vicky Park]

I can see Jamie eliott taking Mark of the century on Saturday

Jamie has been building to this game - I hope! While it hasn’t been a great September for him, he’s a champion. He’s been waiting for this day for a long time.

 

[Jafo]

Jamie has been building to this game - I hope! While it hasn’t been a great September for him, he’s a champion. He’s been waiting for this day for a long time.

Could you imagine the heart attacks siren goes, last kick of the game and Jamie’s got the ball in hand from the boundary

 

[Vicky Park]

I’d be least inclined to change up our defence. It’s been described as a ‘premiership’ defence for most of the year, and is backed by the stats (I’m quoting On the Couch).

And we’ve seen with our own eyes how well this tight knit group has performed over the two finals so far, including being under immense pressure in both last quarters. They are perfectly balanced as a group, each playing to their strengths.

You don’t change that, especially with Brisbane’s potent forwards - so Howe has to stay down back.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I’d be least inclined to change up our defence. It’s been described as a ‘premiership’ defence for most of the year, and is backed by the stats (I’m quoting On the Couch).

And we’ve seen with our own eyes how well this tight knit group has performed over the two finals so far, including being under immense pressure in both last quarters. They are perfectly balanced as a group, each playing to their strengths.

You don’t change that, especially with Brisbane’s potent forwards - so Howe has to stay down back.

Agree with this with the only potential proviso that they might find a spot for Noble ( even if it’s as a sub) to be an extra in that rotation, which would allow the swing men like WHE and Pendles to spend more time forward of the ball. But Howe needs to start back. It’s great that Howe had a cameo late in the season forward with reasonable succcess so he’s always a possible plan b in-game. Frankly I think part of the reason Fly did that was to help run Howe back into form, as he had a lengthy period of rustiness after returning from injury. I thought the gWs game Howe aerially was back to near his best.

The core six backline Is not to be messed with, that’s a non negotiable.

 

[MoreMoore]

If Freddy has a good chance to knock himself out and 2 Lions in a 3 way collision early in the first, just play him

Then play him on Daniher

 

[Jafo]

Then play him on Daniher

If that’s the case, please have Zorko in that cluster of players

 

[upnsmoke]

Forecast for Saturday is 28 and no rain.

Any concerns that the temperature favours Brisbane???

Definitely favors Brisbane... 28 Sunny is standard practice condition for them every week and also why they are so good at the GABBA.... they're accustomed to the temperature.. same as the 2001, 2002 amd 2003 dynasty they had, elite talent with elite conditioning due to heat training.


Pies will need to pace out their tank...

Slow it down and go for broke in the 3rd.

 

[Hazz]

Reckon if adams gets up noble will miss and Ginni goes back to sub. But they may want adams as sub because they might fear he won’t last the game. We can’t afford adams breaking down on a hot day. So I feel it will be unlikely adams gets into 22

If Adam’s is a significant enough risk to not start, how do you possibly risk him as sub?

He needs to come on as sub and go at 110%, this is not the role for someone who you wouldn’t risk as starting 22.

Imagine making the sub at any point in the game, then being forced to play a man down 10 minutes later when Adam’s pings it.

If he’s in at all he’s starting.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Spot on, I had a muppet respond to me on a similar post claiming his injury woes were behind him. I’ve never seen him finish off a game fully fit! VFL or AFL.

He only needs to play one game and there's always the needle standing by if required.

 

[Hazz]

Definitely favors Brisbane... 28 Sunny is standard practice condition for them every week and also why they are so good at the GABBA.... they're accustomed to the temperature.. same as the 2001, 2002 amd 2003 dynasty they had, elite talent with elite conditioning due to heat training.


Pies will need to pace out their tank...

Slow it down and go for broke in the 3rd.

Extra cap space too, no?

 

[Magnanimous]

I reckon they will play Gunston and try to make us accountable 1 on 1 to break up the team defence.

We probably need Beaker back this week.
Adams would be nice too, but who else goes out for this to occur

from my Delorean

 

[Cory]

To stop Andrew’s intercepting we need to kick it low so Hill, McReery and Elliot can kick some goals

 

[RobJD]

What else stuck out from rewatching it?

I watched the 2nd half last night - Lipinski was more important that I had noticed during the live watch - other than his kicking - which was iffy, he played an important role - spent time on Green and then Whitfield (both less effective in the 2nd half), made some significant tackles and got some important touches. Looked like WHE went to Taylor after McStay went down - didn't do much, but neither did Taylor.