Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - PF vs. GWS, MCG 22/9 7:50pm

[Unknown Identity]

What’s the charge?
_Striking ..he didn’t strike
_Bumping ..he didn’t bump
_Rough conduct ..he jumped and extended his arms to smother, momentum forward and he lands 15 ft forward from where he took off and accidentally collides with someone coming the other way.
_Bringing the game into disrepute ..he had to listen to Goodwin’s presser after the game

What’s the charge?

His issue is the late brace for contact.
95% was a football act but he does turn his body to protect himself, thus injuring Brayshaw.

This is a real tricky one for the MRO.

Duncan on Aaron Hall which was slightly different to Maynard but same result with no suspension.

We saw Danger get off for the accidental forearm to Vlastuin in the GF.

Mansell braced for contact with Aish and got suspended.

Flip a coin with how this plays out.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

His issue is the late brace for contact.
95% was a football act but he does turn his body to protect himself, thus injuring Brayshaw.

This is a real tricky one for the MRO.

We saw Danger get off for the accidental forearm to Vlastuin in the GF.

Mansell braced for contact with Aish and got suspended.

Flip a coin with how this plays out.

But his option apart from turning his body would have been a head clash and they’d both be sent into next week. Protecting your body is what you are supposed to do
Tough one .

 

[Cory]

Sidebottom said Cameron was ill. But I still feel he’s off when playing in the ruck since his injury

 

[live fast pieyoung]

I’m with 3rdMan in that suggesting changes at this point is probably premature. As of 6:01pm tonight these are my changes:

In: Naicos
Out: Maynard

Maynard is going to get 3 weeks and be sent straight to the tribunal because the MRO has no real alternative. The thing is he gets off at the tribunal, IMO, because he has no reasonable alternative and it was a football action.

Until he gets cleared though it’s all elementary.

yep. this will happen.
Its more of a ritual than a trial

 

[sideswipe]

I’m with 3rdMan in that suggesting changes at this point is probably premature. As of 6:01pm tonight these are my changes:

In: Naicos
Out: Maynard

Maynard is going to get 3 weeks and be sent straight to the tribunal because the MRO has no real alternative. The thing is he gets off at the tribunal, IMO, because he has no reasonable alternative and it was a football action.

Until he gets cleared though it’s all elementary.

MRO can dismiss the umpire’s report.


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[Scodog10]

What’s the charge?
_Striking ..he didn’t strike
_Bumping ..he didn’t bump
_Rough conduct ..he jumped and extended his arms to smother, momentum forward and he lands 15 ft forward from where he took off and accidentally collides with someone coming the other way.
_Bringing the game into disrepute ..he had to listen to Goodwin’s presser after the game

What’s the charge?

on what charge?

My expectation is that it’ll be assessed as rough conduct careless/ high/ severe. For a practical example go back to Tom Lynch at the start of the year when he cleaned up Keath.

Don’t get me wrong we’ll successfully argue that it was a football action, he had no reasonable alternative and it was an unfortunate football accident, but you’re living in denial if you’re looking at that and asking what the charge will be.

 

[Sweeetleftfoot]

Markov will be disappointed to be replaced by Markov.
I hope they are not sitting next to one another in the locker room.

 

[sam_e]

My expectation is that it’ll be assessed as rough conduct careless/ high/ severe. For a practical example go back to Tom Lynch at the start of the year when he cleaned up Keath.

Don’t get me wrong we’ll successfully argue that it was a football action, he had no reasonable alternative and it was an unfortunate football accident, but you’re living in denial if you’re looking at that and asking what the charge will be.

So if he does the exact same action - jump to smother the ball - but this time lands and breaks the guy’s leg, is that still considered rough conduct with same ramifications re suspension?

Which part of the conduct is “rough” ..the act of jumping & smothering? ..the Newton act of body mass landing to earth again? ..where & how he collides with the opponent?

So he should have foreseen / predicted - when he took off 15 feet earlier - that he would land on an oncoming opponent and contact him high. Therefore, he should have opted NOT to jump & smother to avoid what he should have foreseen as upcoming rough conduct. Got it.

 

[Piesinmyeyes]

But his option apart from turning his body would have been a head clash and they’d both be sent into next week. Protecting your bodying what you are supposed to do.

Tough one .

I heard the news presenter just mentioned Maynard may be cited for an "airborne smother", haha seriously can you be sighted for this.
Is this April 1st?
He probably moved for 1/100th of a millisecond, to brace.
Natural instinct.
Sorry for Brayshaw, but unsure what Maynard could have done.

 

[Horaceg]

My expectation is that it’ll be assessed as rough conduct careless/ high/ severe. For a practical example go back to Tom Lynch at the start of the year when he cleaned up Keath.

Don’t get me wrong we’ll successfully argue that it was a football action, he had no reasonable alternative and it was an unfortunate football accident, but you’re living in denial if you’re looking at that and asking what the charge will be.

There will be a charge from the stupid police and then thrown out. Get the lawyers to sort it out for future actions coming their way.

 

[sam_e]

Michael Hibberd

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8.3

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326.6

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16.8

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10.0

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11.6

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7.6

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5.6

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2.0

4star

(post match): “It was just one of those freak footy accidents”

 

[Scodog10]

MRO can dismiss the umpire’s report.


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Of course he can, but given the nature of sensitivity around high contact I doubt he does. The first 4 pages of the thread skirted it as a discussion when for me it’s likely he gets sent to the tribunal. That’s all my post was about because I clearly believe he’ll be available for the PF.

 

[Finnishpie]

Sidebottom said Cameron was ill. But I still feel he’s off when playing in the ruck since his injury

Cameron's body of work this year has been middling. That's just the reality. There are questions about why the drop-off since last year -- maybe the injury has put him behind, maybe he's just not that good, maybe he's.....

 

[danielnajdek]

Michael Hibberd (post match): “It was just one of those freak footy accidents”

Don’t let Goodwin see this. Michael will get dropped next week.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I heard the news presenter just mentioned Maynard may be cited for an "airborne smother", haha seriously can you be sighted for this.
Is this April 1st?
He probably moved for 1/100th of a millisecond, to brace.
Natural instinct.
Sorry for Brayshaw, but unsure what Maynard could have done.

I think the argument would be that he was careless to attempt that sort of smother in the first place , airborne with such forward momentum, heading straight towards his opponent.

Anyway it will be what it is, I’m not going to get hung up over it and neither will the club. I back them to argue his case strongly then win or lose they will get back to work without any fuss.

 

[Scodog10]

So if he does the exact same action - jump to smother the ball - but this time lands and breaks the guy’s leg, is that still considered rough conduct with same ramifications re suspension?

Which part of the conduct is “rough” ..the act of jumping & smothering? ..the Newton act of body mass landing to earth again? ..where & how he collides with the opponent?

So he should have foreseen / predicted - when he took off 15 feet earlier - that he would land on an oncoming opponent and contact him high. Therefore, he should have opted NOT to jump & smother to avoid what he should have foreseen as upcoming rough conduct. Got it.

I assume same action in turning to brace? If so same charge of rough conduct, but body contact instead of high contact. I don’t know what that spits out in terms of the table (I assume 2?) and the same outcome with us going to the tribunal then most likely getting him off the charge.

I don’t think you do have it because you seem to not understand that it’s the brace for impact and then high contact that will result in the potential charge. The MRO and tribunal are completely different mechanisms that it doesn’t read that you completely understand.

 

[Horaceg]

I think Bruzzy should be fitted with a warning label,

“avoid my flexing space”

 

[Scodog10]

Cameron's body of work this year has been middling. That's just the reality. There are questions about why the drop-off since last year -- maybe the injury has put him behind, maybe he's just not that good, maybe he's.....

Middling is a pretty subdued assessment I’d say poor. The catch is he was immense last night because he recaptured his marking out of nowhere. He’s now safe for one or two more matches.

 

[sam_e]

I think the argument would be that he was careless to attempt that sort of smother in the first place , airborne with such forward momentum, heading straight towards his opponent.

Anyway it will be what it is, I’m not going to get hung up over it and neither will the club. I back them to argue his case strongly then win or lose they will get back to work without any fuss.

Jeremy Howe attempted mark (broken arm on landing) with Stengle (let’s say broken jaw from knee) coming the other way:

“I think the argument would be that he was careless to attempt that sort of smother (mark) in the first place , airborne with such forward momentum, heading straight towards his opponent.”

 

[DoubleO7]

Maynard diving spoil attempt earlier in the game where he clearly turns his shoulder to embrace impact with the ground...
View attachment Screen_Recording_20230908_084440_YouTube.mp4

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Jeremy Howe attempted mark (broken arm on landing) with Stengle (let’s say broken jaw from knee) coming the other way:

“I think the argument would be that he was careless to attempt that sort of smother (mark) in the first place , airborne with such forward momentum, heading straight towards his opponent.”

Don’t know why you’re trying to bother arguing with me. This one is borderline and I don’t know how it will pan out nor do I really have a view one way or the other. It’s a tricky one.

 

[pablo disco bar]

Ok
Honest answer

Is Maynard gone or not ?

None
1 week
2 weeks

3 weeks

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Ok
Honest answer

Is Maynard gone or not ?

None
1 week
2 weeks

3 weeks

From my rudimentary understanding it’s none or 3

 

[sr36]

His issue is the late brace for contact.
95% was a football act but he does turn his body to protect himself, thus injuring Brayshaw.

This is a real tricky one for the MRO.

Duncan on Aaron Hall which was slightly different to Maynard but same result with no suspension.

We saw Danger get off for the accidental forearm to Vlastuin in the GF.

Mansell braced for contact with Aish and got suspended.

Flip a coin with how this plays out.

Worst case is done by the MRO and then off at the tribunal.

 

[sideswipe]

Of course he can, but given the nature of sensitivity around high contact I doubt he does. The first 4 pages of the thread skirted it as a discussion when for me it’s likely he gets sent to the tribunal. That’s all my post was about because I clearly believe he’ll be available for the PF.

When it comes to these things, the MRO isn't Christian operating on his own. All the chiefs get involved. Time for our new Head of Footy Ops to take a stand, not Pontius Pilate this up to the Tribunal, but to dismiss it. She is a Pie, so is the General Counsel and so is Chrisso. Hopefully they put the club first.