Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - Round 23 vs. Brisbane, Marvel, Fri 18/08, 7:50pm

[3rdMan]

Our forward line has looked this good or better in other games. Suns game, first Port game etc (even in the Blues game we took the same number of marks i50, 18). Have to remember it's only one game. The difference between Hawks and Cats game was not the forward mix it was bringing the pressure. Our forward line would have looked better last week with that as well.

Not saying it's the wrong forward mix or that we shouldn't be happy with it, but need to keep it in perspective.

 

[sr36]

Our forward line has looked this good or better in other games. Suns game, first Port game etc (even in the Blues game we took the same number of marks i50, 18). Have to remember it's only one game. The difference between Hawks and Cats game was not the forward mix it was bringing the pressure. Our forward line would have looked better last week with that as well.

Not saying it's the wrong forward mix or that we shouldn't be happy with it, but need to keep it in perspective.

Yeah but the forward mix might have also played a big part in bringing the pressure -

Howe rather than a second ruck was much more effective in terms of providing a contest.
Ginni's forward nous to be in the right place and clean hands to keep it alive and the opposition flustered.

But yes, in quarters two and three the big thing was that we really tightened up and didn't allow chip kicks to work it up to the other end. That was the biggest difference.

 

[3rdMan]

We had no forward ruck last week either. Didn't rule out the forward mix having an impact and not saying it is not our best, it might be, just that it's one game and we've had a number of others where we've done even better.

 

[sr36]

We had no forward ruck last week either. Didn't rule out the forward mix having an impact and not saying it is not our best, it might be, just that it's one game and we've had a number of others where we've done even better.

Don't disagree with you - if we cause turnovers in dangerous spots - our forwards are going to get on the end of a lot of goals - like they did against the Cats.

But I do think that Howe rather than Johnson or Cox and Ginni getting dangerous at ground balls were a significant factor in why we created more pressure and caused more turnovers. Thus I hope we keep that mix.

 

[jimmy35]

One change I’d definitely like to see is taking the game to the G instead of Marvel.

 

[Roverjg]

Krueger had been playing CHB/FB for Geelong VFL before his move to us. Maybe we can revisit this

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[Bianconeri]

Yeah but the forward mix might have also played a big part in bringing the pressure -

Howe rather than a second ruck was much more effective in terms of providing a contest.
Ginni's forward nous to be in the right place and clean hands to keep it alive and the opposition flustered.

But yes, in quarters two and three the big thing was that we really tightened up and didn't allow chip kicks to work it up to the other end. That was the biggest difference.

The question I have is did our pressure return because we went smaller or because the mythical July loading finsihed?

If it’s the latter then I’d be more
Inclined to back to two rucks.

 

[Harry O]

We have not beaten Brisbane for 5 years. The monkey on our back might become a gorilla if we lose again this week

The smug gloating from the Brisbane hierarchy and players after they beat us in round 4, about finding the secret to beating our ball movement game plan might have pricked Fly’s interest

 

[Jen2310]

Caught the very end of training. Ginni in black. Which means the starting 22. Won’t be sub this week.


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[sr36]

The question I have is did our pressure return because we went smaller or because the mythical July loading finsihed?

If it’s the latter then I’d be more
Inclined to back to two rucks.

I think it was neither. In quarters 2 and 3 we really tightened up and didn't allow the safe chip kicks out of defence. On TV, it felt like we switched from zone to man on man, but just may have been that we were moving to blokes who went into our zone.

 

[gouki88]

Krueger had been playing CHB/FB for Geelong VFL before his move to us. Maybe we can revisit this

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I think we recruited him exclusively for forward-line play, hence why we brought Frampton in

 

[Harry O]

Caught the very end of training. Ginni in black. Which means the starting 22. Won’t be sub this week.


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To be fair I think the colour worn on a Monday means little to Thursday selections
He probably deserves to be in 22 this week but ignore his attire for today for now

 

[Scodog10]

Our forward line has looked this good or better in other games. Suns game, first Port game etc (even in the Blues game we took the same number of marks i50, 18). Have to remember it's only one game. The difference between Hawks and Cats game was not the forward mix it was bringing the pressure. Our forward line would have looked better last week with that as well.

Not saying it's the wrong forward mix or that we shouldn't be happy with it, but need to keep it in perspective.

I actually think it’s about how the two teams set the match up more than anything else. Aside from the QF for obvious reasons in Fly’s time v the Cats the match score has been 200+. I think they believe we’re gettable in a shootout so they play us differently to just about every other side competition wide. We go with it and back ourselves in Blight style they kick 5 we kick 6 etc. It means big momentum swings in game and a nice spectacle. IMO, it’s not reflective of how we want to play v the rest of the competition and not a genuine indicator of our ability to score. Definitely something to keep in mind.

FWIW I’m passionately anti two rucks. Unless we’re getting stoppage dominance from our we just don’t have the quality to make it worthwhile.

 

[Harry O]

I think it was neither. In quarters 2 and 3 we really tightened up and didn't allow the safe chip kicks out of defence. On TV, it felt like we switched from zone to man on man, but just may have been that we were moving to blokes who went into our zone.

Our defender’s definitely used their direct opponent as a starting point more after Moore was subbed out

 

[gerryg400]

We have not beaten Brisbane for 5 years. The monkey on our back might become a gorilla if we lose again this week

The smug gloating from the Brisbane hierarchy and players after they beat us in round 4, about finding the secret to beating our ball movement game plan might have pricked Fly’s interest

Brisbane have only won one game at the MCG in the last 5 years. Lost 9. That’s the actual gorilla. This week is a 50/50.

 

[Jen2310]

To be fair I think the colour worn on a Monday means little to Thursday selections
He probably deserves to be in 22 this week but ignore his attire for today for now

I know. But usually a good sign if they have already decided. First time he has been in black for any session since mid season tbf

But generally it’s wed it’s the one that matters.


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[sr36]

Our defender’s definitely used their direct opponent as a starting point more after Moore was subbed out

It was more than just the defenders - it was the whole way up the field. They just couldn't chip it forward like we'd been allowing for weeks.

 

[Jen2310]

I missed most of the session as got times mixed up being the first session of the week, so most had already gone inside.
Just wait til Wed now.

 

[Harry O]

Are GA tickets still available for Friday night?

 

[Jen2310]

Apparantely Jordy talked about a sore hip and just did running with Kelly, Noble and Sidebottom this morning.
I'll keep an eye out on wed.

 

[gouki88]

Apparantely Jordy talked about a sore hip and just did running with Kelly, Noble and Sidebottom this morning.
I'll keep an eye out on wed.

He did cop some big hits against the Cats.

 

[LuckyLee]

Why are Carlton an automatic win?

Of course they’re not an automatic win but my ladder predictor sees them playing the Dogs or Crows at the MCG, so I’d say they’re highly likely to win and then play the loser of 1 v 4.


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[LuckyLee]

I’ve come around to supporting Howe up forward. On Friday night, it all came together, including Ginni. The mix of Checkers, McStay, Howe, Jamie, Hill, McCreery and Ginni (yes it’s more than six) is diverse and dynamic, with the right combination (or for us the available combination) of height, speed, aerial ability, pressure and footy smarts. Love us to settle on that (and see AJ in there in 2014).

Me too. And with Gunston now out injured, that’s one less potential defensive match-up for Howe. Playing him forward to keep Andrews accountable and perhaps bag a goal or two makes most sense to me.


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[Prexm]

So at this stage
Maynard Frampton Quaynor
Pendles Murphy Markov
Josh Mitchell WHE
McCreery McStay Howe
Hill Mihocek Elliott
Cameron Crisp Lipinski
Ginnivan Adams ? ?
Sub ?
in some doubt - Sidey JDG Noble

 

[BLS World Wide]

We have not beaten Brisbane for 5 years. The monkey on our back might become a gorilla if we lose again this week

The smug gloating from the Brisbane hierarchy and players after they beat us in round 4, about finding the secret to beating our ball movement game plan might have pricked Fly’s interest

Wrong. we beat them in 2019