Preview Changes: R3 vs Gold Coast

[Danger in Texas]

Out: Seedsman, Keays, Atkins, Kelly (conc)
In: Schoenberg, McAdam, Sholl, Hamill

I'd like Lynch out too but he ain't being dropped

 

[Golumless]

You have to find the right balance though, you can't just put all the kids in at once as it won't do their development any good getting smashed by 100 points every week. We still need some experienced players in their to protect the young kids.

It's a hard one as we have ignored youth for so long, we should have been slowly bringing these kids in the last 2 years while we were still semi competitive, to try to ease them in. Now we have left it too late and it could ruin there development. Just look at what it did to Gold Coast and Carltons kids to get smashed each week with no good senior players around them.

The problem is our senior players, are well, damaged goods.

Port game shows we need to cut deeper to rejuvenate the list, though it's likely 2020 will be one where we are paying for the sins of Pyke/Burton etc.

 

[Mego Red]

OUT: Seedsman, Atkins, Kelly (inj), Sloane (inj)
IN: Butts, Sholl, Schoenberg, O'Connor

Please no Gooch or Dots, we've seen enough of them to know that they won't make it.

We have so much dead wood to get rid of, and much of it was accumulated in the last trading period. How long did we sign Frampton, Keays & Crocker?

Poholke and Gallucci are 21 and we have absolutely no idea what they can actually do in the AFL.

Poholke is one of the very few who has played at a top level consistently in the SANFL, Gallucci had shown bursts of excellence amidst long periods of nothing or being out of position.

 

[mattymac]

Schoenberg

We need to unearth midfielders. Our established firm are steaming garbage.

 

[Mego Red]

The problem is our senior players, are well, damaged goods.

Port game shows we need to cut deeper to rejuvenate the list, though it's likely 2020 will be one where we are paying for the sins of Pyke/Burton etc.

Yeah. The hard things with all the media unrest of the last two years is we've also been hesitant to proactively move on players that wanted to stay, while they still had value.

Lynch and Laird have had real value, but I'm not sure what they will have by the end of this year.

 

[Golumless]

Yeah. The hard things with all the media unrest of the last two years is we've also been hesitant to proactively move on players that wanted to stay, while they still had value.

Lynch and Laird have had real value, but I'm not sure what they will have by the end of this year.

We're unfortunately past that point, though I do agree, we should have been more aggressive. I would have traded Lynch 2 years ago without any hesitation as an example of a move that could have been done.

That said, hopefully, the last off-season is the start to that change seeing we did get rid of Jenkins, Douglas and Jacobs.

Lynch probably won't have real, just due to age. Laird should retain unless his form drops off a cliff. Laird would be the no.1 player I'd be gunning to trade this off-season though.

 

[Golumless]

We need more kids, not less

Out: Lynch, Atkins, Kelly (concussion)
In: McAdam, Schoenberg, Hamill

Team structure

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Hamill - McAsey - Milera
C Smith - Sloane - McHenry
HF Crocker - Fogarty - McAdam
F Murphy - Walker - B. Crouch
R O'Brien - Jones - Schoenberg

I M. Crouch - Seedsman - Brown - Keays

I like these changes, and I like the ownership given to the kids seeing the only way we get through this period now is via the kids taking ownership.

That said, I would like to add one more. Walker out, Frampton (or Himmelberg, doesn't matter which one) in. If we're going to risk Fogarty as a second ruck (and despite myself liking what Fog offered to that midfield group), then Tex just has to go.

I think by the fact Fog was trying to fly the flag near the end (and throughout) says it's time to make it his team as an added benefit.

 

[cleanhands]

I like these changes, and I like the ownership given to the kids seeing the only way we get through this period now is via the kids taking ownership.

That said, I would like to add one more. Walker out, Frampton (or Himmelberg, doesn't matter which one) in. If we're going to risk Fogarty as a second ruck (and despite myself liking what Fog offered to that midfield group), then Tex just has to go.

I think by the fact Fog was trying to fly the flag near the end (and throughout) says it's time to make it his team as an added benefit.

I shuddered when Fog lined up at a centre bounce, risk of injury is crazy

 

[jackster83]

I shuddered when Fog lined up at a centre bounce, risk of injury is crazy

Fortunately for his sake the ball didn't stay there long enough for there to be too much risk of injury. It was in Port's F50 before he'd even landed.

 

[cleanhands]

We need more kids, not less

Out: Lynch, Atkins, Kelly (concussion)
In: McAdam, Schoenberg, Hamill

Team structure

B Brown - Talia - Doedee
HB Hamill - McAsey - Milera
C Smith - Sloane - McHenry
HF Crocker - Fogarty - McAdam
F Murphy - Walker - B. Crouch
R O'Brien - Jones - Schoenberg

I M. Crouch - Seedsman - Brown - Keays

Laird?

 

[Murray2503]

Unlikely to happen in one week, but why drop Keays and Crocker after 1 week ??

I wouldn't have traded them in. I honestly don't think they are the answer.

 

[hey shorty]

It’s a start, but I‘ll be surprised if we go younger unless forced by injury for next week. Kelly out injured and a debutant in is neutral to me It shouldn’t be difficult to play Sholl or Hamill ahead of Gibbs or Mackay. A first level step forward is dropping a Rat or Murphy type for a debutant or Davis type. Next level is Seed, Kelly types being dropped for kids. Nirvana is a Lynch or Laird being sent back and not just because a Sloane type returns from injury. But where we as a club effectively say to everyone in the industry, “we’re going with Davis instead of Lynch this week”.

You change the goal posts a bit. You say it shouldn't be difficult to pick Sholl or Hamill but the whole thing about your argument about our club is that it HAS been difficult to make said decision.

 

[hey shorty]

I wouldn't have traded them in. I honestly don't think they are the answer.

You can't base that on last night though. We treat them like any recruit should be, give them 3 or 4 games and then decide.

 

[Golumless]

I wouldn't have traded them in. I honestly don't think they are the answer.

*drafted with a rookie pick.

They're two who'll most likely max out as role players, which is fine. I am probably more optimistic on Crock then Keays after that game. He looked ok, though struggled to influence the game which considering we got belted in the midfield, is forgivable.

Hopefully Keays had a just a readjusting to the pace game but oh boy.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Out: Seedsman, Keays, Atkins, Kelly (conc)
In: Schoenberg, McAdam, Sholl, Hamill

I'd like Lynch out too but he ain't being dropped

Ill be controversial. Hartigan needs to come in. He's not a bad defender, its just his decision making with the ball is found wanting. The haters will come in now. McAsey was easily knocked out of contests but had his moments. McAdam will not get a game with the crows ever. To fragile in the body. Why play someone if his future is cloudy. Murphy must be on his last chance. Your outs are about right.

 

[hey shorty]

Ill be controversial. Hartigan needs to come in. He's not a bad defender, its just his decision making with the ball is found wanting. The haters will come in now. McAsey was easily knocked out of contests but had his moments. McAdam will not get a game with the crows ever. To fragile in the body. Why play someone if his future is cloudy. Murphy must be on his last chance. Your outs are about right.

Hartigan should never play again, and McAdam is fit and in form, so you play him

 

[1970crow]

We're unfortunately past that point, though I do agree, we should have been more aggressive. I would have traded Lynch 2 years ago without any hesitation as an example of a move that could have been done.

That said, hopefully, the last off-season is the start to that change seeing we did get rid of Jenkins, Douglas and Jacobs.

Lynch probably won't have real, just due to age. Laird should retain unless his form drops off a cliff. Laird would be the no.1 player I'd be gunning to trade this off-season though.

Remember a couple of years ago you and I fighting that good fight. Not normally much support for early calls around here, I think most are conditioned towards the, “but he’s best 22, you don’t want to be the next Carlton/Melbourne”. Well, if you don’t strategically refresh your list with talent, you’ll get there anyway. It wasn’t hard to see that losing Lynch wasn’t going to deplete our forward line as we’d just drafted Fog and re-signed JJ.

 

[1970crow]

I shuddered when Fog lined up at a centre bounce, risk of injury is crazy

He’s not an idiot, he did the bare minimum in terms of potential contact with opposing ruckman whilst being as close as possible to impact at ground level.

 

[Dirty Bird]

There's no straight swaps that I want to do. But there's a few 3 way changes (1 in, 1 out, 1 change in role) Id like

Out: Lynch
MoveL McAsey (Into Lynch role)
In: Butts

Out: M.Crouch
Move: Sloane (Onto wing). Milera (Into guts)
In: A midfielder with speed and/or a midfielder that can win the hard ball

Also, if one of Keays/Crocker has the ability to play significant midfield minutes either breaking the lines or getting the hard ball. Throw one of them into the guts. If they don't. Drop one of them and give another kid a chance.

I think Lynch is best 22, but McAsey is the future, but he's too weak to play as a KPD right now. Has to move up forward. And we'd be too tall heavy with Fog/Tex/Lynch/McAsey. I think Lynch is playing better than Tex, however, we're causing more issues than we're solving if we drop Tex for McAsey. So Lynch bites the bullet.

One aspect of our midfield reminds me of Hawthorn just before their 3peat. Too many similar players. Unfortunately for us. Our similar type are luxuaries, not commodities. And having a midfield of Crouch, Crouch and Sloane just wont work. We can repackage Sloane back to the player he was pre-Danger departing. But we still have too many and I believe B.Crouch is better than M.Crouch, so Matt goes. Should've let Brad go last year (like how Hawthorn let JK go to Sydney) and use the money to keep one (or both) of CEY and Greenwood. btw - I don't want Davis in there. He's done enough to show me he can fill a role in a side lacking his type of player. But we have an abudance of his type. I'd only play him if we were going Melbourne levels of tanking. He'll be a decent player. But we're looking for better than decent.

 

[1970crow]

I wouldn't have traded them in. I honestly don't think they are the answer.

They‘re hear now and in the 22. Let’s give them a chance to show enough moments to build upon or to prove they’re not for us.

 

[cleanhands]

He’s not an idiot, he did the bare minimum in terms of potential contact with opposing ruckman whilst being as close as possible to impact at ground level.

I think the bounce may have helped

 

[BACCS]

How could that possibly surprise you?

You do realise Campo no longer works at the club? He drove a lot of the senior player selections over the past few years

 

[1970crow]

You change the goal posts a bit. You say it shouldn't be difficult to pick Sholl or Hamill but the whole thing about your argument about our club is that it HAS been difficult to make said decision.

No, my argument is that our club culture and selection philosophy has meant that easy decisions are hard. It’s easy for me to not play Gibbs at all. I’d have not played Kelly either. Not because he can’t defend, but because we need more rebound. These are obvious and easy decisions to me. Not having Sloane hobble around being useless with a bung foot. Easy for me. The problem is that you read into my view instead of taking the words literally. It’s hard for our club because our football strategy is flawed, if it wasn’t, correct decisions would be easy.

 

[hey shorty]

What I would do....

Outs

Sloane - We won't but I would. Start seeing what life is like without him
Kelly - I'm of the opinion a concussion should = a week off
Seedsman - Completely unacceptable
Murphy - Battles hard but he spends more time getting in the way.

Ins

McAdam - Time to see what he has
Butts - Allows McAsey to shift forward
Hamill - Pace and ball use out of the back half
Poholke/Schoenberg - Preferably the former, as a starting mid for 3 games to see whether he can translate the form. Would be happy with the latter but we would hide him anyway

Laird, Smith and Atkins get read the riot act.

FB - Brown Talia Laird
HB - Doedee Butts Hamill
C - McHenry Jones Smith
R - ROB Poholke Brouch
HF - McAsey Walker Crocker
FF - McAdam Fogarty Milera
Int - Keays Atkins Mrouch Lynch

I've never understood the reluctance to play Milera forward. He's strong, quick and reads the ball well. Swap him on ball. Lynch comes onto a wing/HB role McAsey forward and free him up a bit

 

[hey shorty]

No, my argument is that our club culture and selection philosophy has meant that easy decisions are hard. It’s easy for me to not play Gibbs at all. I’d have not played Kelly either. Not because he can’t defend, but because we need more rebound. These are obvious and easy decisions to me. Not having Sloane hobble around being useless with a bung foot. Easy for me. The problem is that you read into my view instead of taking the words literally. It’s hard for our club because our football strategy is flawed, if it wasn’t, correct decisions would be easy.

I agree on that, however the first step is always about making the easy decisions actually easy.