Preview Changes: R4 vs Brisbane

[Sidthehat]

How is D Talia escaping scrutiny? He talks a big game but doesn't deliver it himself. Sure, he's strong, but he's as slow AF, useless kick, and holds up any movement out of the backlines as much as anyone.

He does his job and can continue doing it for 3 years. He's the only senior player who is at the moment.

 

[Sidthehat]

Did we have a practice game with Suns reserves. How did it go?

 

[CrowVic]

Did we have a practice game with Suns reserves. How did it go?

Heard on 5aa before the game we got totally smashed in all areas....so no joy anywhere.
Rowey said not a good sign as shows where the mindset of the club is.... ie rather than come out snarling like the bulldogs did this week after a big loss.... we came out with a whimper.
I'm gutted. I know I will continue to support the club but the people that got us here must go.

 

[crows dude]

How many more chances do you give Gooch? We don't need another great SANFL player but blah AFL player to get to 100 games. Already have Mackay and Atkins filling that role. Has to be Shoenburg and Davis for at least 3 games.

McKay has never dominated or been great in the SANFL. Atkins id agree with.

 

[mcattack]

Makes me laugh how so many people on here think we should bring in guys like Gooch, Poholke, Himmelberg and Frampton. Four blokes who def aren’t part of our future.

They should be used if senior players arent performing. Its about finding team balance and selecting players around a game plan. we clearly need a second ruck option as ROB got monstered. If they go end of year so be it.

 

[Dirty Bird]

How many more chances do you give Gooch? We don't need another great SANFL player but blah AFL player to get to 100 games. Already have Mackay and Atkins filling that role. Has to be Shoenburg and Davis for at least 3 games.

Can people stop mentioning Davis.
Hes just another Matt Crouch.

Hes the type of midfielder who's the icing ontop of the cake. If you don't have the cake underneath he's completely and utterly useless. And that's the problem with our current midfield. We don't have the base anymore. We don't have a Scott Thompson, we don't have a Patrick Dangerfield, we don't have a Hugh Greenwood, we don't have a Cameron Ellis-Yoleman.

Ben Davis, Matt Crouch, Brad Crouch, Rory Sloane (In his current role) are all the same type of midfielder.
If you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out of the guts then sure, slot Davis in there. But if you cant, including him is only a wasted spot in the 22. He wont get the midfield minutes to grow, and itll stop someone else growing. IMO, playing Davis is just going to hinder 2 careers unless you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out.

It leads to an interesting debate. Do you play Davis or the Crouches. Id actually play the Crouches to maintain value so you can get good compensation for them. Davis is the future, but Davis 1 year along in his development or Davis 0 years along in his development PLUS 1 or 2 other high draft picks?

 

[Crowbots are dead]

Can people stop mentioning Davis.
Hes just another Matt Crouch.

Hes the type of midfielder who's the icing ontop of the cake. If you don't have the cake underneath he's completely and utterly useless. And that's the problem with our current midfield. We don't have the base anymore. We don't have a Scott Thompson, we don't have a Patrick Dangerfield, we don't have a Hugh Greenwood, we don't have a Cameron Ellis-Yoleman.

Ben Davis, Matt Crouch, Brad Crouch, Rory Sloane (In his current role) are all the same type of midfielder.
If you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out of the guts then sure, slot Davis in there. But if you cant, including him is only a wasted spot in the 22. He wont get the midfield minutes to grow, and itll stop someone else growing. IMO, playing Davis is just going to hinder 2 careers unless you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out.

It leads to an interesting debate. Do you play Davis or the Crouches. Id actually play the Crouches to maintain value so you can get good compensation for them. Davis is the future, but Davis 1 year along in his development or Davis 0 years along in his development PLUS 1 or 2 other high draft picks?

It all points to a list that is quite out of balance

 

[CrowinNT]

Time to drop Tex and Matt Crouch

 

[FR0GGY]

From next week would be a good idea.

Probably not whilst we are a mathematical chance*
*according to the club

 

[MRB37]

Did we have a practice game with Suns reserves. How did it go?

Smashed apparently, no score given but Kieron Turner listed Strachan, Frampton, Gibbs, Mackay and McAdam as our bests. Suns had about 6 extra players with a couple of them suiting up for us.

 

[Dirty Bird]

Time to drop Tex and Matt Crouch

Tex - I disagree. I agree hes playing shit and doesn't deserve to be in the 22. But who do we bring in? The one KPP who might have a future is Butts, but he plays at the wrong end. And we still need someone to "compete" in the ruck. So I feel we cut Lynch instead and move McAsey into his role, playing Butts down back.

M.Crouch - I also disagree. We don't have any depth. May as well play him and get better compensation for a trade.

 

[croweater 41]

I like the idea of giving Poholke some midfield minutes and also testing out Galucci again. I like the look of Schoenberg but can he play afl midfield minutes? Jones and McHenry are so far off it at the moment in terms of playing regular midfield minutes

What will work in Schoenberg's (and any other kids favour) in my opinion is the 16 minute plus TO qtrs rather than the usual 20 minutes.

It probably isn't the worst thing to throw them in and see what happens. I mean can it get any worse? To an extent yes, if we are getting flogged week in week out it takes it out of the kids who don't see the light at the end. But in a compromised year as it is there hasn't been a better time to blood as many as possible.

 

[hey shorty]

Tex - I disagree. I agree hes playing sh*t and doesn't deserve to be in the 22. But who do we bring in? The one KPP who might have a future is Butts, but he plays at the wrong end. And we still need someone to "compete" in the ruck. So I feel we cut Lynch instead and move McAsey into his role, playing Butts down back.

M.Crouch - I also disagree. We don't have any depth. May as well play him and get better compensation for a trade.

Swap McAsey and play Butts in defence.

Tex needs to go.

 

[Cap]

Swap McAsey and play Butts in defence.

Tex needs to go.

Has Butts even been in the scratch matches?

 

[SaltPeter]

Probably a little early to make wholesale changes. 3 debutants in 3 rounds already. Would like to see Sholl come in for Atkins and McAdam for Murphy.

I've never been a Murphy basher, but he's had 2 mares now. And yesterday he got absolutely towelled up by a 19 year old bloke playing his 3rd game

 

[Betts are off]

I didn't watch the game, can someone please verify that we had 5 players who only registered 4 or less disposals? (Kelly, Murphy, Talia, McHenry, Atkins). I know there are such things as 'non-statistical roles', but really, between the 5 of them they didn't even average a possession per quarter...

I know Atkins got slung out of the game early, what are the others excuses?

 

[Betts are off]

Probably a little early to make wholesale changes. 3 debutants in 3 rounds already. Would like to see Sholl come in for Atkins and McAdam for Murphy.

I've never been a Murphy basher, but he's had 2 mares now. And yesterday he got absolutely towelled up by a 19 year old bloke playing his 3rd game

Murphy to me is a low impact player at best. Right now, but he seems more like an no impact player!

I'm also not a basher of the kid, he's earned my respect, but having said that I would gladly give his spot in the team to 10 different guys for round 3

 

[SaltPeter]

Murphy to me is a low impact player at best. Right now, but he seems more like an no impact player!

I'm also not a basher of the kid, he's earned my respect, but having said that I would gladly give his spot in the team to 10 different guys for round 3

Murphy's future may ultimately be on another part of the field.

 

[CrowinNT]

Tex - I disagree. I agree hes playing sh*t and doesn't deserve to be in the 22. But who do we bring in? The one KPP who might have a future is Butts, but he plays at the wrong end. And we still need someone to "compete" in the ruck. So I feel we cut Lynch instead and move McAsey into his role, playing Butts down back.

M.Crouch - I also disagree. We don't have any depth. May as well play him and get better compensation for a trade.

We need to assess our list.
I am not in favour of playing Matt Crouch merely for some imaginative draft pick
He is also Contracted to end of 21
We have issues in our midfield and it needs to be our focus

Matt has not performed and he is not someone that can rotate to another position.
Time to make changes and send a message to a Senior leader which he his

Tex is a liability.

 

[conVINCEd]

Can people stop mentioning Davis.
Hes just another Matt Crouch.

Hes the type of midfielder who's the icing ontop of the cake. If you don't have the cake underneath he's completely and utterly useless. And that's the problem with our current midfield. We don't have the base anymore. We don't have a Scott Thompson, we don't have a Patrick Dangerfield, we don't have a Hugh Greenwood, we don't have a Cameron Ellis-Yoleman.

Ben Davis, Matt Crouch, Brad Crouch, Rory Sloane (In his current role) are all the same type of midfielder.
If you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out of the guts then sure, slot Davis in there. But if you cant, including him is only a wasted spot in the 22. He wont get the midfield minutes to grow, and itll stop someone else growing. IMO, playing Davis is just going to hinder 2 careers unless you can move 2 of Crouch/Sloane out.

It leads to an interesting debate. Do you play Davis or the Crouches. Id actually play the Crouches to maintain value so you can get good compensation for them. Davis is the future, but Davis 1 year along in his development or Davis 0 years along in his development PLUS 1 or 2 other high draft picks?

Who do you think Davis is? You don't seem to be describing him here - he sure isn't a midfielder for starters.

 

[Betts are off]

Murphy's future may ultimately be on another part of the field.

Fair call, but like so many others, I think he needs to go back to learn that position, rather then be moved around but still kept in the team. We've spent to many games trying to funnel experienced players into different roles to keep them on the park in recent years. And really, its quite unfair to the young kids who are playing those roles in the 2's.

This season for me, if you can't cut it at the position you've trained all offseason for, then you don't deserve a spot in the 22. Period.

And that's not just for Murphy, that's for everyone.

 

[Betts are off]

Who do you think Davis is? You don't seem to be describing him here - he sure isn't a midfielder for starters.

Yeah I saw that too. I thought i'd let it go through to the keepers

 

[Pugsley]

Has Butts even been in the scratch matches?

Only when he has an itch.

 

[Eagleboy2011]

Swap McAsey and play Butts in defence.

Tex needs to go.

Agree with Tex needing to go. He tries but has no pace, can not mark and the opposition runs off him. Even if he could hold the ball in an area would be better than what he is giving atm. The smalls around him do not feed off him either.

 

[Freshj]

We are in such a shit position. Playing all the kids without a good core of senior players is detrimental to their development, so we need them.

Playing the kids with a bunch of seniors who dont give a shit is equally as detrimental.

Based on this, do you play someone like McKay knowing they will give it everything every week over someone just coasting in the team?