Preview Changes: R7 v Carlton

[Scorpus]

Because it's not as important to contribute offensively then it is to do the defensive work.

The offensive production acts to separate the role players from the stars in that position.

True, the defensive work is more important as are role players.

However a player who can only contribute defensive work forward of center is prone to being exposed when the game is not being played on our terms. You don't need to be a star to be able to win the hard ball when its your turn or provide a forward option when our other avenues are struggling.

Historically our defensive half forward has struggled and has next to no impact when we are getting beaten because they can't switch into a 'contested offensive' mode (for lack of a better description). They can't win those scrappy contests as we kick up the ground because they are defense-only players.

Whereas if we had more of a midfield type in that defensive half forward role with even a slightly wider set of attributes, they could still remain as a mostly defensive player but also provide some offensive/ball winning avenues when required and especially when we are struggling. A role player could still satisfy those criteria

 

[huludicidal]

Out: Walker (inj), Mackay (inj), Poholke (omitted)

In: Betts, Kelly, Sloane


Walker will not be risked. He’ll possibly end up missing the Showdown too but fingers crossed it’s not actually a strain and he’ll just get the 1 game to rest.

Mackay I’m less sure about. Appeared to be an issue with a quad or hip. 50/50. If Mackay is deemed fit, he’ll stay in and there’ll be a very unlucky omission. Gallucci and Knight both did enough to be retained. CEY was in the best few players on the ground tonight so he’s not going anywhere either yet. Otten is required purely due to the lack of Walker at one end and lack of Keath, Hartigan and Cheney at the other.

But look, maybe 1 or more of Betts, Sloane, Kelly aren’t available which would actually make the selectors job a lot easier this week. We are having an absolute mare with injuries this year so it wouldn’t shock me to see one of them suffer a “setback” of some description.

 

[John Who]

Out: Walker (inj), Mackay (inj), Poholke (omitted)

In: Betts, Kelly, Sloane


Walker will not be risked. He’ll possibly end up missing the Showdown too but fingers crossed it’s not actually a strain and he’ll just get the 1 game to rest.

Mackay I’m less sure about. Appeared to be an issue with a quad or hip. 50/50. If Mackay is deemed fit, he’ll stay in and there’ll be a very unlucky omission. Gallucci and Knight both did enough to be retained. CEY was in the best few players on the ground tonight so he’s not going anywhere either yet. Otten is required purely due to the lack of Walker at one end and lack of Keath, Hartigan and Cheney at the other.

But look, maybe 1 or more of Betts, Sloane, Kelly aren’t available which would actually make the selectors job a lot easier this week. We are having an absolute mare with injuries this year so it wouldn’t shock me to see one of them suffer a “setback” of some description.

Even though I don't think Walker or Mackay have serious injuries, I think most likely these 2 will be rested for next week. Reason being also due to Walker having recent plantar fasciitis and Mackay having recent 2 concussions. Good chance for them to fully rest up with their niggles.
Regarding form, Polhoke looks to be the likely one to get omitted should Sloane/Betts return.

Not sure who will be returning from injuries, but here are my ins and outs:
Ins - Betts, Fog, Kelly
Outs - Tex, Mackay, Polhoke

 

[hey shorty]

Out: Mackay, Poholke, Otten
In: Sloane, Betts, Kelly

Do Carlton have anyone that warrants Otten in the side? Particularly if Kelly is fit...

McKay and Casboult

 

[Jack is Back]

Fair enough, pretty similar to my team except I put Smith in.

Personally I see Knight as a fringe player that's just outside our best 22 when everyone is available. I like his toughness and gut running but I don't think he does enough in the midfield or forward line to keep his spot over the other players I had in my side.

Playing as a wing/mid/forward he averages just 14.5 touches over 2017-2018, less than a goal per game, less than 1 clearance per game, just 1.4 inside 50s per game, just 171 meters gained. He does have good pressure acts, good tackle numbers (near 4 per game) and good score involvements (4.8 per game), but I just don't think our midfield can carry a mostly defensive gut running half forward that struggles to find the pill, doesn't kick many goals, and doesn't contribute when rotated onto the wing or into the inside midfield.

We should be able to trade him for pick 12 .

 

[jenny61_99]

Don't know but we need goal kicking training during the week as was bloody ordinary!

It’s a league wide problem.

 

[Simmo28]

Can't drop CEY after that, when Greenwood and Crouch hit the wall, he just kept going at the coal face. Wouldn't be surprised if he had 15 or more contested possessions.

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[conVINCEd]

so here's a question.... once Smith is back and fit, who makes way for him?

Our half back line will be Laird, Milera and Seeds.

Could this be the magical fabled time where Mackay gets dropped and we start rotating these 4 between half back and the wing even more?

Aside from Seedsman not playing half back, I was pondering this last night.

Mackay could be in the gun - choice would seem to be between he and Milera.

Someone always gets injured to keep Macky in though.

 

[Simmo28]

Don't know but we need goal kicking training during the week as was bloody ordinary!

Shooter (needs a new nickname) missed two in first and I believe Tex missed one or two as well in first.


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[Paladin]

Aside from Seedsman not playing half back, I was pondering this last night.

Mackay could be in the gun - choice would seem to be between he and Milera.

Someone always gets injured to keep Macky in though.

Mackay was damn good last night. He keeps that form and he is hard to leave out. Rolling 1 year contracts from now on to keep him on his toes.

 

[1970crow]

Out: Walker if inj Poholke omitted Otten omitted
In: Fogarty, Betts, Sloane if fit or Kelly if not.

Brown Talia Doedee
Laird McGovern Milera
Atkins Sloane Seedsman
Lynch Fogarty Knight
Betts Jenkins Gallucci

Jacobs Mcrouch Gibbs

Greenwood Douglas Mackay Cey

Otto isn't going anywhere yet and especially not if Kelly remains out.

 

[dylan123]

For Scorpus , I'll explain the more likely scenarios, depending on injury status.

Sloane in for Polhoke
Kelly in for Mackay
CEY for Betts & we rotate our mids through the forward line.

I doubt all 3 will be ready to come in next week.

Also, Hartigan will come in for Otten but that is a few weeks away.

If Tex doesn't come up then we may rejig things.

There's no chance CEY gets dropped this week.

 

[Redleg Crow]

Based on Pyke's presser Eddie will be back but Sloane will likely have another week.

Seriously - why the hell did he play against Collingwood?

 

[dylan123]

Mackay was damn good last night. He keeps that form and he is hard to leave out. Rolling 1 year contracts from now on to keep him on his toes.

Still not big on his game, he really makes poor decisions with the ball in hand imo. Goes at it hard however I cant recall him using it to our advantage at all. There was a switch where it went to him in the back half, he had a man spreading wide open on the other wing but he proceeded to kick it in the middle to a 1v3 situation.

A lot of his other kicks were just long bombs forward not to our advantage. I was watching the TV broadcast so I dont exactly know what he had ahead of him but I feel like he really burns the ball a lot/doesn't do anything with it.

 

[Vhaluus]

Mackay was damn good last night. He keeps that form and he is hard to leave out. Rolling 1 year contracts from now on to keep him on his toes.

Mackay started off well, but really fell off even before his injury.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Still not big on his game, he really makes poor decisions with the ball in hand imo. Goes at it hard however I cant recall him using it to our advantage at all. There was a switch where it went to him in the back half, he had a man spreading wide open on the other wing but he proceeded to kick it in the middle to a 1v3 situation.

A lot of his other kicks were just long bombs forward not to our advantage. I was watching the TV broadcast so I dont exactly know what he had ahead of him but I feel like he really burns the ball a lot/doesn't do anything with it.

The composure of Mackay and Milera, with ball in hand, is like chalk and cheese

 

[Mego Red]

The composure of Mackay and Milera, with ball in hand, is like chalk and cheese

Interesting, because Milera made three key errors last night by slightly underkicking the ball. Each was a turnover.

The closest folks can get to a Mackay error was a kick to a contest, without discussing whether that was still the best option to get us a stoppage.

Now, I think we'll be able to tidy that out of Milera's game and Mackay has years of history on the errors front, but I still think it needs to be acknowledged that Mackay is probably having a career best run over the last 25 games.

 

[1970crow]

Seriously - why the hell did he play against Collingwood?

Our coaches fear the unknown.

 

[1970crow]

Interesting, because Milera made three key errors last night by slightly underkicking the ball. Each was a turnover.

The closest folks can get to a Mackay error was a kick to a contest, without discussing whether that was still the best option to get us a stoppage.

Now, I think we'll be able to tidy that out of Milera's game and Mackay has years of history on the errors front, but I still think it needs to be acknowledged that Mackay is probably having a career best run over the last 25 games.

Think with Milera is that he's always looking and he goes for high risk kicks to players leading straight at him. Small margin for error. The one where JJ was leading at him with his opponent level pegging that then got in front and intercepted is an example. I'd prefer he look higher and aim for longer targets, but Dmac mostly just kicks to contests or open space. Not even in the same conversation. The underkick to CEY at half back shouldn't have been a turnover, CEY collected it easily and in space, turned, ran into pressure, got a long handball back to Brown?, also with time but he stuffed the pick up due to a right angle bounce resulting in a goal.

 

[1990crow]

It’s certainly going to be interesting after the bye when we have Sloane, Betts, B.Crouch, Kelly, Hartigan all back in. Potentially Gibson too if he’s considered required.

Brown Hartigan Doedee
Laird Talia Milera
Seedsman Gibbs Sloane
Lynch Walker Galluci
Betts Jenkins McGovern
Jacobs M.Crouch B.Crouch
Douglas Kelly Atkins Greenwood

After last night then..
Out: Poholke, Mackay, Otten, CEY, Knight
In: Sloane, Betts, Hartigan, Kelly, B.Crouch

Then what if Smith is ready late. In for Atkins? Or Atkins to HF and Galluci out.

 

[Cromulent]

Out: Walker, Mackay, Poholke, Otten
In: Fogarty, Sloane, Betts, Kelly

 

[1970crow]

I really can't believe that Otto keeps getting listed as an out. 1. They won't do it and 2. They shouldn't do it. He does a very good job as an undersized KPD and he's our only known option there. He's on the list for this exact reason and deserves his spot, both on structure and his actual performance.

Come back when he's playing a 3rd tall role in defence next to Talia and Hartigan or playing forward alongside Tex and JJ, until then or he actually gets beaten, he's a lock.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I really can't believe that Otto keeps getting listed as an out. 1. They won't do it and 2. They shouldn't do it. He does a very good job as an undersized KPD and he's our only known option there. He's on the list for this exact reason and deserves his spot, both on structure and his actual performance.

Come back when he's playing a 3rd tall role in defence next to Talia and Hartigan or playing forward alongside Tex and JJ, until then or he actually gets beaten, he's a lock.

Carlton have got some talls up forward too - Casboult, Curnow, McKay (the good one). No way Otten goes out this week.

Will be interesting to see what we do if our Mackay comes up and Kelly is available.

 

[Rotayjay]

Did they show either the Walker or Mackay injury?

Or were these more of those phantom injuries we seem to pick up?

With Matt Hass at the helm, anything is possible.

 

[hey shorty]

Interesting week this week, wouldn't be taking anyone lightly and the heat will be on Carlton this week. Couple that with injuries to DMac and Walker that didn't look overly serious but could see them out for the week.

Sloane, Betts and Kelly are varying chances to return but who knows. At this stage......

OUT

Poholke - Looked a little out of his depth this week after a real good first week. He'll be fine but could see him missing if Eddie is good to go.

Walker - Wouldn't bother. Could have had an enormous game too, looked really good.

Mackay - Looked really good for a half, then tailed off, then got hurt. No risks.

IN

**** do we have 3 players left ???

Betts - Just do what you do, the goals will come.

Fogarty- Perfect opportunity to get him in for another taste. Probably gets to play on a young defender too.

Sloane - Only if he's right, if he isn't then Poholke stays in or maybe we throw a token debut to a kid.