Preview Changes v Demons, Round 2 (upgraded to official preview)

[briztoon]

yes he is a dangerous player, but Cam had some reasonably good moments last week in the 3rd Q, and Cam has just a good a leap as Fritsch. Think it will be an intriguing matchup, but Starc might get the role, but I would give it to Cam.

I am actually really looking forward to the below potential matchups
Cam v Fritsch
Fort (defensive role) on Gawn
Neal and Dunkley v Oliver and Petracca
Hippy v Lever

even those contest and we are a realistic chance. Bookies currently have Dees $1.80 Lions $2 so we are given some hope.

Whiting looked at a lot of the data from the Port game and two things that stood out, is that Port as a team, ran a further 16 kilometres than we did on the weekend. And they doubled our uncontested possession count, 130 to 258. Port had an extra 128 possessions where there was no Lion to provide pressure.

I wanted to menton this later on, but mention it first up, so it doesn't get missed.

Fritsch will run Rayner in to the ground in the first quarter, if Rayner tries to run with him.

A big part of our problem regarding our defenders, is that Rich and Rayner are not runners. Neither can run up and back with their designated opponent. Whiting touched on this about Rich in this weeks raw deal podcast, but didn't mention Rayner.

Last year the Fox Footy crew highlighted that many teams play through Rich's opponent, because he doesn't follow them up the ground, and is incapable of running back with them. Well now oppo teams will have two forward flankers they can play through.

As I have mentioned before, our small defenders and small forwards do not follow their opponent in to the midfield. It's purely a work rate issue. Some of it will be coaching, because our coaches know which players can't run out games like that. Part of it will be players just not willing to run with their opponent, and that's just pure laziness.

Bailey is really poor at tracking his player back defensively. For a player who obviously worked on his running in the off season, he was plain lazy on the weekend.

 

[Elixuh]

Whiting looked at a lot of the data from the Port game and two things that stood out, is that Port as a team, ran a further 16 kilometres than we did on the weekend. And they doubled our uncontested possession count, 130 to 258. Port had an extra 128 possessions where there was no Lion to provide pressure.

I wanted to menton this later on, but mention it first up, so it doesn't get missed.

I said on Saturday that I can't remember a game where one team (us) had so few possessions compared to the opposition. It felt like Port had possession for ~90% of the match. It is a bit comforting that some of the stats are so wild that it points to our performance being an aberration. I'm going to give it 4 games to see where we sit.

On the flip side, I also think that the Port we played on Saturday would have beaten most teams but because we were so uncompetitive it can be hard to properly judge.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Whiting looked at a lot of the data from the Port game and two things that stood out, is that Port as a team, ran a further 16 kilometres than we did on the weekend. And they doubled our uncontested possession count, 130 to 258. Port had an extra 128 possessions where there was no Lion to provide pressure.

I wanted to menton this later on, but mention it first up, so it doesn't get missed.

Fritsch will run Rayner in to the ground in the first quarter, if Rayner tries to run with him.

A big part of our problem regarding our defenders, is that Rich and Rayner are not runners. Neither can run up and back with their designated opponent. Whiting touched on this about Rich in this weeks raw deal podcast, but didn't mention Rayner.

Last year the Fox Footy crew highlighted that many teams play through Rich's opponent, because he doesn't follow them up the ground, and is incapable of running back with them. Well no oppo teams will have forward flankers they can play through.

As I have mentioned before, our small defenders and small forwards do not follow their opponent in to the midfield. It's purely a work rate issue. Some of it will be coaching, because our coaches know which players can't run out games like that. Part of it will be players just not willing to run with their opponent, and that's just pure laziness.

Bailey is really poor at tracking his player back defensively. For a player who obviously worked on his running in the off season, he was plain lazy on the weekend.

Rich is a worry.

 

[lioninthesand]

Rich was the only player that rocked up on Saturday yet is one of players questioned most by fans in the aftermath. I don’t get it.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Bailey is not an inside mid and neither is Berry. If Berry played for the Dees ot he cats he wouldn’t get a game.


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I smell poop

 

[CarterS]

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Rich was the only player that rocked up on Saturday yet is one of players questioned most by fans in the aftermath. I don’t get it.

Gotta have a whipping boy. That doesn't sound quite right... Whipping man? That sounds wrong too. Anyway, when you can't blame losses on Dizzy what else can be done>

 

[The Flying Belgian]

I think we'll lose. I don't think we can turn things around quite as quickly as some might hope, not with the display we saw on Saturday. A close loss, while not ideal, would not be the end of the world for me.

But I think the players deserve the right to try to turn it around, although I'd make the following changes:

Out: Tunstill, Coleman
In: Prior, Zorko

Not against Lyons coming back in, but I'm not sure who would make way. Dev perhaps.

 

[McIvor]

Rich was the only player that rocked up on Saturday yet is one of players questioned most by fans in the aftermath. I don’t get it.

Yep, for any fault Rich may have, his attitude and determination for the entire game could nit be questioned and in fact was in a very small minority.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Gotta have a whipping boy. That doesn't sound quite right... Whipping man? That sounds wrong too. Anyway, when you can't blame losses on Dizzy what else can be done>

Haven't seen anyone scape goating Rich as the reason we lost. Hardly a whipping boy

 

[M Malice]

Haven't seen anyone scape goating Rich as the reason we lost. Hardly a whipping boy

Yep, it is just critiquing players which is what a footy forum is for, there is hardly going to be much praise for our players after a performance like Saturday.

FWIW I thought Richy was ordinary and apart from the final against Melbourne last year he has been way down for a while.

 

[briztoon]

Rich was the only player that rocked up on Saturday yet is one of players questioned most by fans in the aftermath. I don’t get it.

Rich was terrible. Many of his kick ins resulted in turnovers, because he waits his full measure before kicking up the line, allowing the opposition to set up.

It was so frustrating watching Aliir Aliir pick him off time and again. Yet Rich didn’t change or look to do something different.

And as mentioned before, Rich was caught in no man’s land defending no body many times, as he didn’t follow his direct opponent up the ground, but had to fill the empty space, lest his opponent run back through it, so instead watched the ball being kicked over his head.

That’s not good defending. Can’t stop his opponent getting the ball, leaves a one on one behind him, that he can’t impact, lest his opponent run back with the ball in to scoring range.

That’s exactly what the opposition want Rich to do.

Oh, Rich kicked 1010 meters. Well dah, the opposition wanted him to, because they were picking him off at will. And they kicked 18 behinds, so Rich had plenty of kicks up the line for what amounted to as garbage meters.

Don’t know what game you were watching, but Rich was a big part of why we lost.

He wasn’t the reason, but he exemplified our teams individual defence across the ground, and our coaches poor game planning as he kept doing something that didn’t work, because neither Hippy or Joe had the physical presence to out compete Aliir in the air up the line.

 

[dlanod]

Fritchs is about to rip Rayner a new one.


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I would've expected Starcevich to line up on him given we've basically designated him the defender

 

[briztoon]

I think we'll lose. I don't think we can turn things around quite as quickly as some might hope, not with the display we saw on Saturday. A close loss, while not ideal, would not be the end of the world for me.

But I think the players deserve the right to try to turn it around, although I'd make the following changes:

Out: Tunstill, Coleman
In: Prior, Zorko

Not against Lyons coming back in, but I'm not sure who would make way. Dev perhaps.

I’m all for Lyons coming in for Dev, if the play him as a wing or lining up as a forward flanker for the first three quarters.

I agree with your first paragraph.

 

[briztoon]

Haven't seen anyone scape goating Rich as the reason we lost. Hardly a whipping boy

hmmmm look away now then.


I’m not scape goating Rich. Just pointing out he was pretty ordinary, and structurally contributes to poor performances because of his limitations, and our team’s limitations.

 

[Fagenslions36]

It’s a pretty harrowing effort when all the talk after the cats game was we need to work on our running this off season . And then get absolutely blown away with a lack of effort . The team balance just isn’t right . Far better using someone like Lyons and Robertson as an inside mid rather than clugga and have clugon the outside where we can use his skill set . Rich was rubbish don’t care what stats say . Same old stuff lions shit bed and rich bombs it long . This is also poor coaching . Fort needs to come in was fantastic against melb last year

 

[FeastOrFamine]

hmmmm look away now then.


I’m not scape goating Rich. Just pointing out he was pretty ordinary, and structurally contributes to poor performances because of his limitations, and our team’s limitations.

Fair criticism of a player isn't scapegoating tbf. Talking about a player having an ordinary performance is different to saying that if they didn't play the team would've won.

 

[25 years on]

Rich was the only player that rocked up on Saturday yet is one of players questioned most by fans in the aftermath. I don’t get it.

I would like to see the stat for Dan’s kick ins, they get distance but do we end up

 

[McIvor]

It was so frustrating watching Aliir Aliir pick him off time and again. Yet Rich didn’t change or look to do something different.

I here you but maybe Rich is being directed to do that by the coaches and hes simply following orders from Fages and defence coach.

 

[Nathan Barley]

I would like to see the stat for Dan’s kick ins, they get distance but do we end up

We were the best team last year at scoring from kick ins

 

[Dalions]

I here you but maybe Rich is being directed to do that by the coaches and hes simply following orders from Fages and defence coach.

The funny thing about that is that if someone else does a kick in they will rarely do the same thing.

 

[McIvor]

The funny thing about that is that if someone else does a kick in they will rarely do the same thing.

I have no doubt im probably wrong, but thought it could be an instruction

 

[On the quiet]

Whiting looked at a lot of the data from the Port game and two things that stood out, is that Port as a team, ran a further 16 kilometres than we did on the weekend. And they doubled our uncontested possession count, 130 to 258. Port had an extra 128 possessions where there was no Lion to provide pressure.

I wanted to menton this later on, but mention it first up, so it doesn't get missed.

Fritsch will run Rayner in to the ground in the first quarter, if Rayner tries to run with him.

A big part of our problem regarding our defenders, is that Rich and Rayner are not runners. Neither can run up and back with their designated opponent. Whiting touched on this about Rich in this weeks raw deal podcast, but didn't mention Rayner.

Last year the Fox Footy crew highlighted that many teams play through Rich's opponent, because he doesn't follow them up the ground, and is incapable of running back with them. Well now oppo teams will have two forward flankers they can play through.

As I have mentioned before, our small defenders and small forwards do not follow their opponent in to the midfield. It's purely a work rate issue. Some of it will be coaching, because our coaches know which players can't run out games like that. Part of it will be players just not willing to run with their opponent, and that's just pure laziness.

Bailey is really poor at tracking his player back defensively. For a player who obviously worked on his running in the off season, he was plain lazy on the weekend.

Don't disagree, just did not want to be too negative on a player who has been at the club and contributed for many years, but that is why I have mentioned in previous posts, I believe Wilmot puts pressure on Rich this year.

Also mentioned previously that Bailey is very good at running forward of the ball which looks great when we are dominating.

With Cam I would give him the role initially, and if Fritsch is 'running him into the ground' then Starc is the option. I have some confidence Cam can perform the role, at least for a couple of quarters.

 

[martinson]

We were the best team last year at scoring from kick ins

Any info at the rate the opposition scored from our kick ins ?

 

[Dalions]

I have no doubt im probably wrong, but thought it could be an instruction

Maybe it is for Rich but if that were the case I would be inclined to try and make Rich the second kick so that way we can gain an extra 30m or so