Preview Changes v Demons, Round 2 (upgraded to official preview)

[The Flying Belgian]

We play an attacking game style...

Do we? I'd have said over the last year that we're overly cautious with our ball movement.

 

[Fagenslions36]

100 % in denial if we think being belted isn’t part of our DNA uncharacteristic as fagan said other day we are potentially the biggest down hill skiers in the comp . Adams has been a huge loss in my opinion a lot of these defensive issues and belting’s have been since he has gone . He handled the big key forwards and allowed Harris to zone off and intercept . Jack Payne gee he looks like Tarzan but a bit of Jane the way he goes about it . Montagna saying on 360 maybe we got too much talent and not enough role players everyone wants to be a star. Look at days of west coast . People loved to Bag Rowan Jones and say how crap he was but you know what he did he blocked for guys like Judd and Cousins to have space something I don’t see out midfield preparer to do . If we get loose this game but it’s right down to wire I’m optimistic about our season but if we get thumped again with little defensive pressure it’s lights out . We may make finals but we won’t be a threat . Genuinely think if we had a tactical astute coach we would be in the mix . Fagan is not the answer .

 

[Dalions]

Do we? I'd have said over the last year that we're overly cautious with our ball movement.

We certainly were on the weekend.
But I think there are some pretty big over reactions after 1 game so far this year.
We do not play a manic style of football like your Carltons or Richmond’s or Collingwood, we tend to play o more Controlled brand of football but I wouldn’t say a cautious brand of footy?
We do tend to get cut up by teams that play a manic style of footy but we also tend to score highly in those games ourselves as well.
We didn’t make a Preliminary final last year by playing cautious footy.
We also didn’t become one of the top 2 highest scoring teams in the last 3-4 years by playing cautious footy.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Head coach is a manager. Not a tactician any more

 

[M Malice]

100 % in denial if we think being belted isn’t part of our DNA uncharacteristic as fagan said other day we are potentially the biggest down hill skiers in the comp . Adams has been a huge loss in my opinion a lot of these defensive issues and belting’s have been since he has gone . He handled the big key forwards and allowed Harris to zone off and intercept . Jack Payne gee he looks like Tarzan but a bit of Jane the way he goes about it . Montagna saying on 360 maybe we got too much talent and not enough role players everyone wants to be a star. Look at days of west coast . People loved to Bag Rowan Jones and say how crap he was but you know what he did he blocked for guys like Judd and Cousins to have space something I don’t see out midfield preparer to do . If we get loose this game but it’s right down to wire I’m optimistic about our season but if we get thumped again with little defensive pressure it’s lights out . We may make finals but we won’t be a threat . Genuinely think if we had a tactical astute coach we would be in the mix . Fagan is not the answer .

Interesting discussion of players who are willing to sacrifice their own game and take on a "lesser" role for the betterment of the team, I think we have a few that are willing to do that ie. Dev Robertson, Jarrod Berry, Noah Answerth, Ryan Lester. Not sure if that is enough.

 

[Dalions]

Genuinely think if we had a tactical astute coach we would be in the mix . Fagan is not the answer .

I guessing you might be really wanting to change your name on Big Footy

 

[Happy_Neale]

Do we? I'd have said over the last year that we're overly cautious with our ball movement.

Yes I think we are generally an attacking team which is why I think our defence struggles against certain teams who are good on the counter punch or play a generally manic style of game. On the weekend we were super conservative and couldn't get our game going at all though.

We've worked out a system which allows us to kick big scores over the past couple of seasons but does not deal well with teams who can defend this style as we don't seem to have a plan B outside of slowing the game down which also impacts our own plan A.

 

[twhowler]

IIRC Daniel was excellent in our first 2 finals games . He hadn't fallen that far if you watch those 2 matches 2 games ago.

Let's give it another couple of games before writing anyone off.

Having said that if we go anything like last week again he won't be the only one in the gun.

Yeah you are absolutely right about the finals. I wonder what that says about some of his other games last year. Not desperate enough any more? Allowed to coast by coaches? I have never doubted his attack on the ball. But it seems to me he has become lazy with his positioning and running.
I really don’t see the point in him taking kick-ins if all he does is bomb it long. And he does look around for an option so clearly he’s allowed to go short. Doesn’t seem willing to pull the trigger any more.
It’s funny the stat showing how many metres gained he had. All it showed to me is he bombed it long every single time…

 

[dlanod]

I guessing you might be really wanting to change your name on Big Footy

He's actually just a big fan of Steely Dan, not misspelling our coach's name like we all assumed.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Yes I think we are generally an attacking team which is why I think our defence struggles against certain teams who are good on the counter punch or play a generally manic style of game. On the weekend we were super conservative and couldn't get our game going at all though.

We've worked out a system which allows us to kick big scores over the past couple of seasons but does not deal well with teams who can defend this style as we don't seem to have a plan B outside of slowing the game down which also impacts our own plan A.

OK, yep I do agree with that. We need to be better at knowing when to flick the switch. I think we try to play attacking which out mids interpret as everyone running forward of the ball. Sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't. But some of the mids need to be wrapping around the back of contests more often which would in theory (a) make it easier to receive the ball, (b) create more space for running the footy and (c) have player better positioned in csae of turnover

 

[The Flying Belgian]

He's actually just a big fan of Steely Dan, not misspelling our coach's name like we all assumed.

I thought it was Dickensian.

 

[blynd_freddie]

He's actually just a big fan of Steely Dan, not misspelling our coach's name like we all assumed.

I was thinking more The Dukes of September

 

[Sanchez365]

Can we just as a collective move past saying Payne "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane". There are much more eloquent ways to say he's needs to be more physical in the contest without saying it's "womanly".

 

[Sanchez365]

OK, yep I do agree with that. We need to be better at knowing when to flick the switch. I think we try to play attacking which out mids interpret as everyone running forward of the ball. Sometimes it comes off, sometimes it doesn't. But some of the mids need to be wrapping around the back of contests more often which would in theory (a) make it easier to receive the ball, (b) create more space for running the footy and (c) have player better positioned in csae of turnover

This was something that in our best season with McCluggage and Robinson on the wings we had the balance right. Clug would stream forward and Robbo would sit as that defensive sweeper. Not sure where that structure has gone though.

 

[Quigley]

Can we just as a collective move past saying Payne "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane". There are much more eloquent ways to say he's needs to be more physical in the contest without saying it's "womanly".

I also think the concept is not correct anyway. He does not play overly physically himself but he is not manhandled or pushed around either. For his experience level he holds spots well and can cover most of the opponents out there.

 

[Thomasno]

Do we? I'd have said over the last year that we're overly cautious with our ball movement.

Which is frustrating because we look the best when we play fast. Now that fast attacking footy has come back into vogue (unironically thankyou Collingwood), I really hope we get in to that game plan this year.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Can we just as a collective move past saying Payne "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane". There are much more eloquent ways to say he's needs to be more physical in the contest without saying it's "womanly".

Can we not take footy into the woke ages please.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Coleman out will hurt us offensively but it should be an opportunity to put a more defensively minded player in against a strong Demons outfit. Coleman and Rich are probably the two worst defensive players we have IMO.

 

[ZoBlitz]

Can we just as a collective move past saying Payne "looks like Tarzan plays like Jane". There are much more eloquent ways to say he's needs to be more physical in the contest without saying it's "womanly".

Looks like Tom Collier and also plays like him?

 

[Tom14]

Can we not take footy into the woke ages please.

Please define woke for me.

 

[M Malice]

Did you just assume Jane’s gender?

Biologically and in reality I am a fading, skinny, bald 63 year old privileged white male, in my dreams I am a 23 year old behemoth stud in their prime and playing for the Lions tomorrow night where I get 35 touches, 10 tackles, 4 goals in a monster win.

 

[JoeDanihersMoustache]

Please define woke for me

Tarzan is man raised in the wild by gorillas and Jane is a young woman raised in civilised society

I think “woke” in this context refers to the juxtapositon of the two characters as purely a statement of gender

It’s important to note however that Jane does develop from what could be described as a damsel in distress stereotype into a capable explorer in her own right

We’re getting into the weeds a bit here so just want to say I think we win tomorrow night - the team is a lot better than their performance last weekend suggested and they will show that

 

[Nathan Barley]

Please define woke for me.

Woke in this case is calling out "casual" sexism

 

[martinson]

Woke in this case is calling out "casual" sexism

I call out casual sexism whenever I see it. It's our obligation and duty to do so and anyone who indulges in casual sexism , whatever form it takes or whatever it is deserves to be called out and brought to account for their warped viewpoints. And made to change so there is no longer any casual sexism in the world.

Wasn't around when Tarzan and Jane were but I'm sure Jane would be outraged to see her image portrayed as a 6'5 ,stacked and built athletic adonis looking young man. After all she was a woman (I think ) who may have appreciated her feminine qualities. Not that anyone is suggesting she or Payne couldn't play like Tarzan if they wanted too. Maybe saying play like Jane is a compliment because not for one moment would I suggest that she couldn't play like Tarzan.

As far as Payne goes I think he'll prove tough enough once he gets a few more games under his belt.

 

[Section 5]

After analyzing the game to death i have come to one conclusion

We was drugged, including the coaches.
Food and drink testers have been added this week so all should be back on track to get over our Demons.