Preview Changes vs Carlton

[GreyCrow]

I just don't this is a coincidence given how hard both SA clubs are pushing to get out of the SANFL and into the VFL. I don't think either club rate the quality of the SANFL and put very little weight on performances there.

I dont think things would change at all no matter where we play

 

[George Kramer]

Even people like David King calling on Nicks to change up the midfield mix on First Crack last night. Showed vision of how well Soligo played and said to get some others in there to help him and Dawson. Also mentioned trying Laird off half back. Said there is nothing to lose given the season is likely done anyway.

Even King? He raised it 2 weeks ago when he called our midfield vanilla. You then tried to have a go at his opinion and said he was just trying to get click baits.

 

[Moe Ron]

If Nicks came out and really changed up the playing list (giving young guys spots over the veterans) and played with more dare and agression, I'd cop the losses way easier than sticking with the current plan.

I know everyone is saying it, but it is mainly the midfield.

Our defense is fairly young except for Smith and Milera (not that he's old, just cruelled by injury). Our forwards are young except for Tex.

Shift Laird back to HB and maybe keep Crouch in there for this season but we have to get AFL midfield time into Soligo, Pedlar, Rankin, Zac Taylor (pending fitness and injury) Dowling, Edwards and Rachelle and see who stands up.

We'd get pummeled for a while but if we are truly rebuilding who cares. No way Laird and Crouch stay 'midfield-fit' for a finals tilt in the next several years (if we get there) so it seems redundant giving them time right now.

If you could wave a magic wand (needed right now), having Dawson, Rankin, Soligo and Pedlar in peak form for 4 quarters in the middle would provide a dynamic midfield. Personally I'd keep Rachelle more forward with some time in the middle to freshen up legs and get him involved in the game.

Bring Curtin and Oscar Ryan into the backline as well as the return of Murray. Hope Thilthorpe comes back hard and stays healthy with the addition of Welsh to the forwards.... that doesn't feel too depressing. Nankervis and Cook have to have a decent run to see if they elevate too (I think they can).

We just need to get away from the plodders and players 'who try hard' but ultimately aren't skillful or young enough. If we've got Burgess, then all of our skillful players should be hard, gut-running tackling machines, no excuses.

 

[kirky]

Not sure if posted here or not, but typical lol.

We literally have the dumbest individuals in charge of the footy club.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

The problem is with the losses continuing to mount and likely again this weekend, Nicks will start getting even more desperate and go into self preservation mode resulting him continuing to pick the 'most experienced' players.

The young players in SANFL team might as well right this year off as very unlikely to get a go....

 

[Brett Cummings]

The problem is with the losses continuing to mount and likely again this weekend, Nicks will start getting even more desperate and go into self preservation mode resulting him continuing to pick the 'most experienced' players.

The young players in SANFL team might as well right this year off as very unlikely to get a go....

and thats why nicks is a failure. He's doing the opposite of what he should be doing. Backing in cooked senior players like laird who isn't a mid instead of young and enthusiastic mids like dowling.

 

[GreyCrow]

If Nicks came out and really changed up the playing list (giving young guys spots over the veterans) and played with more dare and agression, I'd cop the losses way easier than sticking with the current plan.

Lets be honest we have been saying it since the rebuild started

Some on here want to claim we start crying at losing in a rebuild - well no shit sherlock because we are losing with the so called senior list

I'm tired of expecting more, I'm tired of caring , I'm tired of ever hoping this club sees the light - but its a club wide malaise

The changes this week will be ehh even if Dowling comes in - yay - but lets see how long it lasts

Nicks is coaching for his future so things wont change - ironically when he has the comfort of 2 years grace

 

[GreyCrow]

and thats why nicks is a failure. He's doing the opposite of what he should be doing. Backing in cooked senior players like laird who isn't a mid instead of young and enthusiastic mids like dowking.

Dowling will be brought in we will lose and people will point it was a failure. The failure is expecting a 1 game player to be a difference

If you think Dowling has a future here then play him for the rest of the year - if not delist him

 

[Brett Cummings]

Dowling will be brought in we will lose and people will point it was a failure. The failure is accepting a 1 game player to be a difference

If you think Dowling has a future here then play him for the rest of the year - if not delist him

Yep it such a horrible mindset to have.

We'd be even worse with laird in there. Players like him won't save his job.

 

[SLOWNE]

Van Berlo asked if Laird and Crouch too similar, said that they're happy with the supply from the mids and it's about maximizing the efficiency

Also asked about our vanilla midfield, "I'd say to date the midfields been more than competitive in and around the footy, we've clearance wise been holding our own, yes we can get better certainly in and around the footy with some of our metres gained from stoppage etc but the guys have been playing the roles that we need and at different stages something on the weekend for example Izaak's come up around the ball, we've played Josh higher than normal which gives us a bit of a different look through the midfield, Luke Nankervis comes in and plays a winger role and often wingers can be in and around the stoppage and contest a lot, so that mix is going to evolve over time but at the moment thats the mix we're opting for and we believe we are generating enough supply out of that but we'll continue to review it."

Nothing to see here ladies and gents, supply is amazing, just needs some tinkering. You hear that? They let Nankervis watch stoppages from the wing, pretty much a full time mid!

 

[Scorpus]

Van Berlo asked if Laird and Crouch too similar, said that they're happy with the supply from the mids and it's about maximizing the efficiency

Also asked about our vanilla midfield, "I'd say to date the midfields been more than competitive in and around the footy, we've clearance wise been holding our own, yes we can get better certainly in and around the footy with some of our metres gained from stoppage etc but the guys have been playing the roles that we need and at different stages something on the weekend for example Izaaks come up around the ball, we've played Josh higher than normal which gives us a bit of a different look through the midfield, Luke Nankervis comes in and plays a winger role and often wingers can be in and around the stoppage and contest a lot, so that mix is going to evolve over time but at the moment thats the mix we're opting for and we believe we are generating enough supply out of that but we'll continue to review it."

Nothing to see here ladies and gents, supply is amazing, just needs some tinkering. You hear that? That let Nankervis watch stoppages from the wing, pretty much a full time mid!

Can't say I'm surprised.

The club has for over a decade now prioritized basic bitch stats (eg raw clearance numbers) over effectiveness metrics (eg scores from clearances)

We are absolutely horrific in terms of stoppage quality and this won't change if they can't even see it

 

[BACCS]

Van Berlo asked if Laird and Crouch too similar, said that they're happy with the supply from the mids and it's about maximizing the efficiency

Also asked about our vanilla midfield, "I'd say to date the midfields been more than competitive in and around the footy, we've clearance wise been holding our own, yes we can get better certainly in and around the footy with some of our metres gained from stoppage etc but the guys have been playing the roles that we need and at different stages something on the weekend for example Izaaks come up around the ball, we've played Josh higher than normal which gives us a bit of a different look through the midfield, Luke Nankervis comes in and plays a winger role and often wingers can be in and around the stoppage and contest a lot, so that mix is going to evolve over time but at the moment thats the mix we're opting for and we believe we are generating enough supply out of that but we'll continue to review it."

Nothing to see here ladies and gents, supply is amazing, just needs some tinkering. You hear that? That let Nankervis watch stoppages from the wing, pretty much a full time mid!

I had a listen after seeing this hoping that maybe you misinterpreted... ah shit, you were bang on. However, he did give a strong indication of Rachele seeing more CBAs, one of very few hints that there might be some change in there (maybe goes from 0 to 1 CBA attendance this week, can't get less I guess). The coaches really do think it's just some small tinkering from changing, **** me, they've been banging on about that since the Geelong loss.

I think we will see some (even if minor) change to the midfield mix this week, but not holding up hope of anything major like trying Laird off half back.

 

[BACCS]

Can't say I'm surprised.

The club has for over a decade now prioritized basic bitch stats (eg raw clearance numbers) over effectiveness metrics (eg scores from clearances)

We are absolutely horrific in terms of stoppage quality and this won't change if they can't even see it

Even last year, our highest scoring came from turnover, not clearances.

 

[SLOWNE]

Dowlings match winning game and strong offense not enough to dislodge some incumbents who have form credits in the bank.

F*** me dead, gift cards expire years before some of these form credits!

 

[kirky]

Even last year, our highest scoring came from turnover, not clearances.

Yes, heard that stat that last year we got about 60 odd points from turnover, this year around 33-35 points. All teams score from turnover and it certainly doesn’t help when you can’t deliver the ball or take forever to go down the field.

You score from turnover and just watch the likes of Crouch and Laird try covering the field or turnover the ball with a bad disposal (ie hit a target). They are treacle slow.

 

[George Kramer]

Van Berlo asked if Laird and Crouch too similar, said that they're happy with the supply from the mids and it's about maximizing the efficiency

Also asked about our vanilla midfield, "I'd say to date the midfields been more than competitive in and around the footy, we've clearance wise been holding our own, yes we can get better certainly in and around the footy with some of our metres gained from stoppage etc but the guys have been playing the roles that we need and at different stages something on the weekend for example Izaak's come up around the ball, we've played Josh higher than normal which gives us a bit of a different look through the midfield, Luke Nankervis comes in and plays a winger role and often wingers can be in and around the stoppage and contest a lot, so that mix is going to evolve over time but at the moment thats the mix we're opting for and we believe we are generating enough supply out of that but we'll continue to review it."

Nothing to see here ladies and gents, supply is amazing, just needs some tinkering. You hear that? They let Nankervis watch stoppages from the wing, pretty much a full time mid!

What a bunch of w***ers.

They are so focused on winning contested ball they are sacrificing key parts of the game. Their idea is to win contested ball by weight of numbers, that’s why we see forwards push up and wingers with a focus on contested ball.

If Nanks focus is to act like an extra mid and win the contested ball then he can’t receive the ball, run, spread and move the ball on quickly to give our forwards a chance.

If our forwards are pushing up to win contested ball, not only aren’t they providing a goal kicking option, their absence means our forwards outnumbered and it’s part of the reason we get smashed by intercept defenders.

Nicks is reverting to the 2022 failed playbook. It’s beyond dumb and it should be enough justification for the club to walk him out the door now. ****wits get what they deserve.

 

[Cap]

Here is the interview for anyone interested.

 

[FullyBigKPro]

That VB Presser.....

Fair dinkum, the club is just drowning in mediocrity.

 

[BACCS]

Yes, heard that stat that last year we got about 60 odd points from turnover, this year around 33-35 points.

You score from turnover, we just don’t work hard enough and just watch the likes of Crouch and Laird try covering the field. They are treacle slow.

We were 2nd in the league for it last year, now close to dead last. However, for over half of 2023 we only played one of Laird or Crouch and Berry barely played a game. So that midfield mix was better and it allowed us to be more punishing on turnovers. There is always room for at least one of a Laird/Crouch/Berry style midfielder, but not all 3 like one of our CBAs on the weekend.

We also moved the ball a lot faster and looked for the middle more from a turnover, but seem to be persisting with a more methodic approach this year and trying to keep possession (like the Craigy days). It just aint working and makes it very hard to hit up easy targets I50 (which is reflected by our super low number of marks I50). Until that game style changes, I don't think changing up the midfield helps much anyway unfortunately.

 

[Peter Doherty]

I know we baby the players quite a bit, but jesus, VB's Dowling comments....

'Whether that's this week, 3-4 weeks time or the back end of the year, the opportunity will come'

Deflating.

 

[CrowinNT]

“
Van Berlo said the focus at training this week would be on skills and connection ahead of the ball.

“To put it bluntly, we’ve got to keep training it, it’s pretty identifiable what is breaking down for us at the moment,”

Edit haven’t watched the video yet

 

[Brett Cummings]

Also said
“
Van Berlo said the focus at training this week would be on skills and connection ahead of the ball.

“To put it bluntly, we’ve got to keep training it, it’s pretty identifiable what is breaking down for us at the moment,” van Berlo said.

You cant make laird a good kick lol.

 

[Moe Ron]

Lets be honest we have been saying it since the rebuild started

Some on here want to claim we start crying at losing in a rebuild - well no s**t sherlock because we are losing with the so called senior list

I'm tired of expecting more, I'm tired of caring , I'm tired of ever hoping this club sees the light - but its a club wide malaise

The changes this week will be ehh even if Dowling comes in - yay - but lets see how long it lasts

Nicks is coaching for his future so things wont change - ironically when he has the comfort of 2 years grace

I feel you. Personally I could excuse it a little in the first year or two, mix in some senior players to steady the ship so the newbies don't get blitzed and lose confidence..I get that. But surely by now it's time to just pull the band-aid right off.

Ironically if Nicksy was coaching for his future he would fully blood the young ones. Maybe he had hoped we'd get into finals this year to buy some grace and then pull the young ones in, hoping people would be more patient having tasted some success. Time to go balls to the wall I say, he'll blow himself up if he doesn't change the playing group...in the end a 2 year contract extension doesn't mean anything. If there is enough pressure the club will just payout whatever the exit clause stipulates (likely 6 months) and move on.

 

[jackster83]

Van Berlo asked if Laird and Crouch too similar, said that they're happy with the supply from the mids and it's about maximizing the efficiency

Also asked about our vanilla midfield, "I'd say to date the midfields been more than competitive in and around the footy, we've clearance wise been holding our own, yes we can get better certainly in and around the footy with some of our metres gained from stoppage etc but the guys have been playing the roles that we need and at different stages something on the weekend for example Izaak's come up around the ball, we've played Josh higher than normal which gives us a bit of a different look through the midfield, Luke Nankervis comes in and plays a winger role and often wingers can be in and around the stoppage and contest a lot, so that mix is going to evolve over time but at the moment thats the mix we're opting for and we believe we are generating enough supply out of that but we'll continue to review it."

Nothing to see here ladies and gents, supply is amazing, just needs some tinkering. You hear that? They let Nankervis watch stoppages from the wing, pretty much a full time mid!

"Stacked!"

 

[BACCS]

That VB Presser.....

Fair dinkum, the club is just drowning in mediocrity.

I didn't get much confidence from that presser things will change too drastically this week, but to me that is stubbornness, not mediocrity.