Chris Judd - free kicks

[blue healer]

Hi guys, this is historic as it's the first thread I've started so be gentle please.

For the last few weeks I've become increasingly frustrated with the umpiring of Juddy, so decided to have a look at his free stats for the year.

From rounds 1-15 he received 20 frees and conceded 11 (and even this is a little biased by rd 1 where his count was 3 for and 3 against).

From rounds 17 to 22 he received 8 but conceded a staggering 16.

Has the constant bitching by fans and certain sections of the media caused the umpires to over umpire him?

What impact is this likely to have on his Brownlow prospects (very hard to argue that he is the umpires pet at present)?

And should the club approach Geish for a please explain?

Whatever the reasons these stats are damning and if they continue are likely to have a significant impact on our finals campaign. He's our most important player by a street and if hampered by over umpiring his impact will surely be reduced.

Any thoughts?

 

[zeeCFC]

Think there's been a concious effort to ping Juddy and make it seem like they don't favour him...piss poor by umpires to crumble under opposition supporter pressure and you can only hope it doesn't deny him his 3rd rightful brownlow.

Would like to see a comparison between this year and last, reckon it would be vastly different!

 

[blue healer]

Think there's been a concious effort to ping Juddy and make it seem like they don't favour him...piss poor by umpires to crumble under opposition supporter pressure and you can only hope it doesn't deny him his 3rd rightful brownlow.

Would like to see a comparison between this year and last, reckon it would be vastly different!

Reckon the the rd 1-16 vs 17-22 confirms some difference

 

[pansies]

He is also being unfairly hindered at stoppages where his opponent has no regard for getting the ball and is only interested in blocking him.

 

[Jabba73]

It is not the frees paid that are the concern, Judd is held onto at many contests each match and despite instructions to pay the free kick against the players holding, the umpires fail to see what is going on.

The umpiring department are able to bury their heads in the sand and talk only about the decisions that have been made while conveniently being able to ignore the ones that should have been, but weren't.

Nothing is going to change even if we approach the umpires with footage of 200 cases where he should have been paid a free kick, luckily Judd is good enough to adapt and still have an influence on the contest regardless of opposition tactics.

 

[Squida25]

He is also being unfairly hindered at stoppages where his opponent has no regard for getting the ball and is only interested in blocking him.

Thats been going on his whole career lol.

 

[95blues]

He is also being unfairly hindered at stoppages where his opponent has no regard for getting the ball and is only interested in blocking him.

Sadly if umpires were to crack down on this to any extent it would be the end of ruck contests around the ground. EVERY team unfairly harasses EVERY oppponents most dangerous ball winner around the contest. While it may be more apparent with Juddy, it happens to all the top ball winners.

I think their best chances at curbing it are to call a few early in the game to "set the tone".

But as for the OP, yes he is getting hammered lately. Throws that arent throws and a serious amount of whistles being blown for holding the ball VERY LATE, as in a second or two after he has gotten rid of it.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Some of the holding the ball frees have been ridiculous. He is taking the ball in heavy traffic, getting tackled immediately, and because of his strength he keeps trying to get the ball out. So the ball comes out a few seconds later, and the umpire awards a free kick against him because he took too long to get rid of it. That would be well and good if his ****ing hands were free in the first place. Honestly, he is better off letting the ball be pinned to him and faux punching. He is actually getting penalised for being able to extract a ball whereas most other players would have taken the tackle and waited for a stoppage. The crowd often does not help in this regard, as their calls of BALL go on for a while as he is still trying to rip the ball or an arm holding the ball free.

Players do not deserve free kicks for sweating on a tackle and pinning an arm. Prior opportunity has gone out the window.

 

[cris_carlton]

exactly what ODN says. He gets tackled straight away and because he stands up in the tackle and almost breaks free he gets pinned. Its as if Judds prior opportunity is him being initially tackled. And becuase it takes so long for the opponent to properly wrap him up he is done for holding the ball. Its ABSOLUTE BS. Umpires minds cave into the peer pressure because they don't wanna be seen as bias. Geicsh (or however u spell it) ur department is a joke... fix it or u will ruin AFL!!!!!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I am sure that Judd is ruled to have 'taken them on' when he burst into a tackle the moment he gets the ball. They are so used to seeing him break the tackle and get the ball out, that any time he fails to do so, it looks like he isn't trying hard enough or something.

 

[blueboy25]

exactly what ODN says. He gets tackled straight away and because he stands up in the tackle and almost breaks free he gets pinned. Its as if Judds prior opportunity is him being initially tackled.

Watching the pies v freo game on the weekend I was staggered at the amount of time a pies player would get tackled, spin 360 and then get a handpass off and not get pinged for it.

Even Buddy's goal on the weekend where he stood in a tackle, spun 360 before breaking the tackle and kicking the goal would have been called holding the ball had it been the bald man in navy blue jumper with 5 on the back.

 

[portaz]

This thread just reminds me of that free against him for holding the ball in the middle against the kangas...

Was clearly getting held before the ball was tapped to him. He doesnt even take possession, sorta juggles the ball trying to grab it, then just kicks, and apparently holding the ball. All this happened within around 2 seconds...

First time ive ever seen him crack the proverbial...

 

[blue healer]

I didn't watch many games on the weekend (pretty low interest factor) but did notice a number of times when players did a full 360 without penalty. This is just another breach that many commentators highlighted in Judds game and he has been pinged a number of times lately.

I think in the past he has been a bit lucky with umpires but at present it's starting to look like one rule for Judd and another for everyone else.

Perhaps the umpires didn't bet with the agency that has already paid out on the Brownlow

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Has the constant bitching by fans and certain sections of the media caused the umpires to over umpire him?

Of course it has. The tackle starts 2 secs before he even takes possession, and if he doesn't dispose of it immediately it's holding the ball. Hell, even if he does get a disposal it's still holding the ball lately.

What impact is this likely to have on his Brownlow prospects (very hard to argue that he is the umpires pet at present)?

None. He'll still get the votes because his form is often too good to ignore. The umpires are just enjoying a bit of grandstanding by pinging him relentlessly at the moment.

And should the club approach Geish for a please explain?

I'd wait and see how they behave in the game vs St Kilda. If they keep crucifying him it might be worth asking about. Politely. The last thing we need is to go into finals with the umps targeting him like they are currently.

 

[Donstuie]

Judd's an umpire's pet. Other BF supporters and SEN told me so.

 

[Claypigeon]

Judd's an umpire's pet. Other BF supporters and SEN told me so.

He is not the only one. .. Most of the play makers generally get more for than against and a rival supporter tends to try and highlight it and the media pander to the masses. .. Judd, like Ablett, is an easy target and Carlton tends to have a bit more 'rivalry' then others. ..

 

[Snoozer]

I didn't watch many games on the weekend (pretty low interest factor) but did notice a number of times when players did a full 360 without penalty. This is just another breach that many commentators highlighted in Judds game and he has been pinged a number of times lately.

I think in the past he has been a bit lucky with umpires but at present it's starting to look like one rule for Judd and another for everyone else.

Perhaps the umpires didn't bet with the agency that has already paid out on the Brownlow

Is this even an official rule? If it is, it shouldn't be.

Agree that Judd is getting treated extremely harshly of late.

 

[HyperAgressiveDonk]

I hope you don't mind my intrusion and this is a serious post

I believe that Chris Judd is harshly dealt with in regards to certain things, though get some pretty favourable treatment in relation to other things.

There is no doubt in my mind, he is blocked, scragged and held onto at stoppages. The umpires seem to not be able to pick up on this, as it's harder to watch for stuff off the ball and get it right all the time. I have seen sveral incidents this year in the 5 Carlton games I have attended, where is being mandhandeld off the ball.

On the other hand, I think he is shown some leniency when he is in possession of the ball. Him, along with the other little bald champion GAJ, seem to have more leeway when it comes to holding/dropping the ball because they are pure "ball" players in many peoples eyes.

It's hard for umpires to spot what happens off the ball all the time, and smart taggers will exploit that.

The one thing that Carlton could do to minimise taggers illegal tactics on Judd, is for teammates to work harder to help out Judd. I know Brock McLean is much maligned but he would be good at that type of thing at stoppages. He could block the taggers run at stoppages, give them a bit of niggle and protect Judd.

Just my two cents.

 

[KennyHunter9]

I hope you don't mind my intrusion and this is a serious post

I believe that Chris Judd is harshly dealt with in regards to certain things, though get some pretty favourable treatment in relation to other things.

There is no doubt in my mind, he is blocked, scragged and held onto at stoppages. The umpires seem to not be able to pick up on this, as it's harder to watch for stuff off the ball and get it right all the time. I have seen sveral incidents this year in the 5 Carlton games I have attended, where is being mandhandeld off the ball.

On the other hand, I think he is shown some leniency when he is in possession of the ball. Him, along with the other little bald champion GAJ, seem to have more leeway when it comes to holding/dropping the ball because they are pure "ball" players in many peoples eyes.

It's hard for umpires to spot what happens off the ball all the time, and smart taggers will exploit that.

The one thing that Carlton could do to minimise taggers illegal tactics on Judd, is for teammates to work harder to help out Judd. I know Brock McLean is much maligned but he would be good at that type of thing at stoppages. He could block the taggers run at stoppages, give them a bit of niggle and protect Judd.

Just my two cents.

You obviously don't watch your own team, otherwise you'd include Mitchell's penchant for throwing amongst the umpire's blind spots. One recent example was so blatant that Mitchell was even laughing to himself.

 

[Snoozer]

I hope you don't mind my intrusion and this is a serious post

I believe that Chris Judd is harshly dealt with in regards to certain things, though get some pretty favourable treatment in relation to other things.

There is no doubt in my mind, he is blocked, scragged and held onto at stoppages. The umpires seem to not be able to pick up on this, as it's harder to watch for stuff off the ball and get it right all the time. I have seen sveral incidents this year in the 5 Carlton games I have attended, where is being mandhandeld off the ball.

On the other hand, I think he is shown some leniency when he is in possession of the ball. Him, along with the other little bald champion GAJ, seem to have more leeway when it comes to holding/dropping the ball because they are pure "ball" players in many peoples eyes.

It's hard for umpires to spot what happens off the ball all the time, and smart taggers will exploit that.

The one thing that Carlton could do to minimise taggers illegal tactics on Judd, is for teammates to work harder to help out Judd. I know Brock McLean is much maligned but he would be good at that type of thing at stoppages. He could block the taggers run at stoppages, give them a bit of niggle and protect Judd.

Just my two cents.

Nope. Simply, he holds his feet in the contest. It makes it look as though the tackle has lasted longer because he hasn't gone to ground. Robert Harvey was a marvel at it. It isn't a sufficient tackle if it isn't held long enough and the player isn't sufficiently ******ed.

A few in the last month have been absolutely laughable. No other player in the comp would be getting pinged for the stuff Juddy is getting done for.

Anyone calling for more free kicks within a game of footy is absolutely kidding themselves.

 

[dylan123]

Some of the holding the ball frees have been ridiculous. He is taking the ball in heavy traffic, getting tackled immediately, and because of his strength he keeps trying to get the ball out.

It's been terribly called all year (holding the ball rule) and not just against Judd but in general. It seems they have forgotten about the part where the player needs to have had some chance of getting rid of it before getting tackled and only care about the effort they put in to try and get rid of it once they are pinged (as in if they get tackled as soon as they get possession and stay still even when there is no chance of them getting it out, umpires now seem to call that a free against).

Hopefully it's a rule that the umpires are not so anal about next year...

 

[KnaveyBlue]

Ok that's it.

Mods, move this thread to the main forum please.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Just a more embracing cosmopolitan kind of Carlton board.




Opposition supporters get charged double for expresso.

 

[OldBlueFan]

There's no doubt that there's been a switch thrown and umpires are looking out for opportunities to ping the great man and, like umpires always do when it comes down to interpretation, they get it wrong more often than not. Having said that, he did get away with a few before they made the change.

The thing that annoys all of us is that they can't be consistent about it. They focus on a flavour of the month and it will stay that way until the next flavour of the month replaces it.

I hope it's soon.

 

[Blues_Man]

On the other hand, I think he is shown some leniency when he is in possession of the ball.

Just my two cents.

Talking your usual shit i see ...and no it's not worth 2 cents...only a moron would believe that Judd is treated like others when he has the ball ....he gets pinged when he has no prior opportunity let alone before he can do a 360 ...unlike Franklin....and you can bet your balls he won't be allowed a natural arc when shooting for goal .