Chris Judd - The Crime and the Punishment - 4 Weeks

[Cap]

I have no sympathy for Carlton (or it's fans)

The Crows have a player who has been suspended for 5 week in total for tackling.. the last instance no injury caused and was basically suspended for an ugly tackle which had the potential to injure

Both Judd and Ziebell injured players - so on the AFL logic they should be suspended regardless of it was accidental serious or intentional.

 

[GreatBradScott]

Not gonna even argue this, just posting in a thread where the OP is getting bent over with his own stupidity.

 

[Hodgepodge]

This is proof that media hysteria influences the (independent) tribunal

I'm a jujitsu instructor of 20 odd years experience and that was not a chicken wing arm lock
The chicken wing arm lock has a bent elbow and can not be executed from a standing position by holding on to the wrist FFS (other wise the opponent would simply roll or stand up

So if that technique doesn't exist how can Judd be accused of doing it deliberately?

He wasn't charged with executing a chicken wing, that was just the media term for it.

Are people really this stupid?

 

[BlueTouchPaper]

Two accounts of eye gouging, yeah.

Two accounts? You have no idea about this, at all, do you?

 

[DarkPhoenix]

Also, its a bit ridiculous that people keep coming up with the "look he's played this amount of games and he's only done these 4 things bad, so thats a pretty good record, we should give him the benefit of the doubt because of this"

What he's done in the past and how good a player he is and how hard he's tagged has absolutely no relevance in what he did, Yes, hes a classy player, yes he has a 'good' reputation outside football, but that doesn't change the fact he has messed up and eye gouged multiple opponents, elbowed one requiring stitches and armlocked another. Completely separate.

Yes this is an extreme example: Did you guys know that Adolf Hitler won the Iron Cross first grade? Just because someone has been good in the past doesnt mean they dont have the ability to do something wrong.

 

[picko]

I understand that a lot of people, especially Carlton supporters, would want to defend Judd...but really, the reverse camera angle is pretty damning...

 

[tacopavlich]

op is nothing but a load of pretentious attention seeking rubbish.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Are people really this stupid?

Affirmative.

 

[bombermick]

I understand that a lot of people, especially Carlton supporters, would want to defend Judd...but really, the reverse camera angle is pretty damning...

That angle is very damning. It could have been worse; he could have turned him into a crying baby - by that I mean most Carlton supporters at present.

 

[dumb]

I understand that a lot of people, especially Carlton supporters, would want to defend Judd...but really, the reverse camera angle is pretty damning...

this ain't netball, sunshine

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

notsureifsrs...

Did you fail to see Leigh Adams kicking his legs before Swallow and co got to Judd? They're much closer to you and I. They would've reacted to what they saw as a team mate being hurt.

Hard to tell from kicking of legs. Every tackled player with the ball underneath them, practically goes into convulsions in order to show the umpire they are attempting to get the ball out.

 

[SM]

Two accounts? You have no idea about this, at all, do you?

The one he was convicted of, and the one where Brown was fined for lying in saying that Judd didn't eye gouge him.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

Hard to tell from kicking of legs. Every tackled player with the ball underneath them, practically goes into convulsions in order to show the umpire they are attempting to get the ball out.

the umpires robbed us
see how deluded statements look deluded even when you believe them?

 

[Military_man]

An extra three weeks imposed suspension, perhaps?
Surely that would increase your chances of making the top 8.

He didn't need to do what he did.. Just hope it doesn't effect the side too much

 

[Hawthorn United]

What do you mean they don't get him?

What's to get?

I'd say most of the hate is from the media talking him up to a MASSIVE degree and then everyone really scrutinizing his performances and then deciding that he's not worth the accolades he has received. I don't think it's about demeanour at all. He has a really neutral demeanour - there's not there to hate.

It's definitely the media build up. How sick did everyone get from the love feast from Bruce and Dennis last Friday night?

Wonder if Bruce would love to have his arm yanked out of its socket by Judd? Wouldn't you Dennis?!

Judd also looks arrogant and smug

even with his demeanor list night, he seems its beneath him that he is even there!

Same thing with after the Brown eye gouge incident. Has that attitude of I shouldn't of even been given the one week after his appeal win. Brown ended up being portrayed as the villain in the case because he got poor innocent Judd suspended.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

the umpires robbed us
see how deluded statements look deluded even when you believe them?

Did you just make any sense? How did that response come from what you quoted?

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

you didn't get that I think you're deluded?
I guess that's like crazy people not knowing they're crazy

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

op is nothing but a load of pretentious attention seeking rubbish.

Actually, not saying I necessarily agree with him, aside from his views on intent. Half of the responses he has got in regards to being stupid, offers to sell him waterfront land etc, have not only failed to articulate an argument but been attentions seeking mob mentality posts mostly seen on the bay. Your very post is attention seeking as you offer nothing to the discussion and are merely jumping on a bandwagon.

It amazes me that people think that agreeing with popular opinion on a forum actually validates their insults.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

you didn't get that I think you're deluded?
I guess that's like crazy people not knowing they're crazy

No I didn't get your reference to the umpires robbing us. I didn't say it so I guess you made it up. Yet I'm deluded?

Head back to the bay mate. You have zero chance in a rational discussion on the main board, you know ... the board where you are not allowed to name call and troll people.

 

[Plugger35]

So all we can gather from this thread is that Judd needs to take some jiu jitsu lessons to perfect his chicken wing technique.

At least it will give him something to do in his 4 weeks off.

 

[IllBeTheJudge]

I'll spell it out for you
1. being called deluded is hardly Bay worthy
2. There are certain people that always blame the umpires for losses. Typically, they are rightly called deluded (even on this bastion of all fun and giggles that is the main board)

You can't seem to see that Adams only kicked out when his arm was being twisted unnaturally. But hey, you aren't the only Blues fan there

 

[Chief]

notsureifsrs...

Did you fail to see Leigh Adams kicking his legs before Swallow and co got to Judd? They're much closer to you and I. They would've reacted to what they saw as a team mate being hurt.

You won't convince the blindly adoring sycophants with logic HU just move on.

But this is not logic.

It is the reverse. It is saying "he was hurt, Judd deliberately grabbed his arm, therefore it is undeniable that Judd meant to dislocate his shoulder".

It does not compute.

 

[Monkey King]

Wait, you're actually talking about that tiny, TINY movement after the initial tackle is made? That movement that occurs AFTER Judd has already lifted the arm and pushed it behind Adams' back?

Seriously, that is ridiculous. Judd had already gotten Adams' arm into the position. What happened to Adams from that point on is just a matter of potential aggravation of the injury, it still doesn't explain why Judd had the arm there in the first place.

Tiny tiny movement? It was about 50-60 degrees of movement actually and it's what lead to the shoulder being twisted around. Watch the footage. It's all pretty obvious.

Judd's action was the key factor in what transpired, but as much as you want no other factor to have contributed, it's just not realistic. The best example of this is if Adams didn't have Carrots on top of him driving him forward, then he'd simply have flipped over. Or if he'd landed on his stomach then there would be no issue. You suggestion just doesn't hold water when tested against the removal of other contributing factors.

This doesn't make any sense. It WAS two events.

To YOU it was two events. But for the guy who lived it, it would have been one action and one intent. If you watch the whole two seconds unfold, you will Judd's intention was holding that arm for every second. You see a millisecond fumble of Adams arm, where Judd readjusts his hold without stopping moving. You may freeze frame this point and then say that creates a demarcation between two actions and that everything that came after was a new action, but this is terribly poor logic not aptly applied in real terms.

Judd doesn't let go until he is bent double, with Adams' arm fully outstretched and almost level with the ground, after holding on the entire time he's falling back. But not, he "might" have let go intentionally JUST at the last second. Seriously? Are you reading what you're writing? Can you seriously not see how deluded you sound?

Of course I sound deluded to you. You've already got the truth sewn and anchored in your mind. The thing is that your truth is little more than an assumption, but you're so blinded by outrage you fail to see it for what it really is and have mistaken it for being some unarguable reality. The difference between us at this point, is that you're telling me how it is 100% and I'm just telling you that you can't know that, so to call Judd a liar with such assurance is just you being self-righteous ... nothing to do with Judd or the truth.

 

[tacopavlich]

Actually, not saying I necessarily agree with him, aside from his views on intent. Half of the responses he has got in regards to being stupid, offers to sell him waterfront land etc, have not only failed to articulate an argument but been attentions seeking mob mentality posts mostly seen on the bay. Your very post is attention seeking as you offer nothing to the discussion and are merely jumping on a bandwagon.

It amazes me that people think that agreeing with popular opinion on a forum actually validates their insults.

how does jumping on a bandwagon = attention seeking anyway? If I wanted attention I would go against the popular opinion.

Also the argument of the op has been refuted a few times in this thread anyway, maybe you should take your supporter glasses off for a moment.

 

[teknodeejay]

Due out next week. Tipped to out-sell the Buddy Ball.