Chris Knights

[crowralph]

LOL if we are going to shop pick #8 around, we'd get a better bloody footballer than Knights one would hope (or no deal is done obviously). I reckon #8 would get us Mundy if he wanted to leave, and Id take him every day of the week before Knights.

Adelaide are dreaming if they think pick #8 for Knights will be done.

But, there are other options.

What is he worth if he demands to go to Essendon, and makes an agreement with us? We have pick 3 in the PSD when it comes to Adelaide, as the GC cant touch Knights in the PSD. I doubt West coast would touch him if he is leaving Adelaide to go home.

What if we get a late first rounder for Stanton, should he leave?

What if we offer Monfries (my ideal situation) in a deal for Knights?

bottom line, Adelaide have zero hope of pick #8, if we are talking Knights alone.

no way knights is top 8. but he's better than monfries, and by a long way.

 

[crowralph]

LOL if we are going to shop pick #8 around, we'd get a better bloody footballer than Knights one would hope (or no deal is done obviously). I reckon #8 would get us Mundy if he wanted to leave, and Id take him every day of the week before Knights.

Adelaide are dreaming if they think pick #8 for Knights will be done.

But, there are other options.

What is he worth if he demands to go to Essendon, and makes an agreement with us? We have pick 3 in the PSD when it comes to Adelaide, as the GC cant touch Knights in the PSD. I doubt West coast would touch him if he is leaving Adelaide to go home.

What if we get a late first rounder for Stanton, should he leave?

What if we offer Monfries (my ideal situation) in a deal for Knights?

bottom line, Adelaide have zero hope of pick #8, if we are talking Knights alone.

i've got a reason, your team is the only one that is on the decline. seriously, both melb & richmond are looking good. essendon, looks like being the next fitzroy for a couple of years at least. and it might be a good idea to let the management system understand that. you guys have at least 3-4 years down the bottom

 

[Zahki]

Or we could trade for a pick between 15-25, then use that for Knights. Trades are often compliated 3 way deals.

You could do that, but at the moment Essendon doesn't have one, which was my point. Why would you bring a hypothetical pick you don't even have yet into the equasion? Which club will you be getting this pick off? What will you be giving up to secure it? The discussion is pointless without those details.

Not that I want him, but why would you butt into an argument and call someone "not very bright at all" when you yourself have absolutely NFI?

NFI because I didn't take into accound that hypothetically Essendon could get an appropriate pick off an un-named club for an un-named cost? Right.

Collingwood are going to draft Gorringe. How? Why by getting a top 5 pick, DUH!

 

[King Elvis]

Or Knights could go into the PSD.

So could Hurley.

This PSD stuff is embarrassing; how many very good players have actually walked into the PSD?

 

[French Tiger]

If the Tigers traded away a kpd (McGuane or Thursfield etc) for a pick roughly 20-25 would Adelaide except that + maybe a 3rd rounder ?

 

[Slattery_20]

So could Hurley.

No he couldn't.

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

No he couldn't.

Exactly. His contracted unlike Knights

 

[King Elvis]

No he couldn't.

His contract doesn't ever lapse?

If the Tigers traded away a kpd (McGuane or Thursfield etc) for a pick roughly 20-25 would Adelaide except that + maybe a 3rd rounder ?

No.

The Crows have zero need for a KPD.

Mids or Draft Picks to get Mids.

 

[chef]

I would be happy for the Dogs to on trade their first round compo pick that they get for Harbrow to Adelaide for Knights(only problem being would the Crows want to have to wait a couple of drafts before they can use it).

 

[Theo X]

I would be happy for the Dogs to on trade their first round compo pick that they get for Harbrow to Adelaide for Knights(only problem being would the Crows want to have to wait a couple of drafts before they can use it).

You mean end of first round pick

 

[Asgardian]

how many very good players have actually walked into the PSD?

Stephen Paxman
Stephen Powell
Joel Smith
Tony Francis
Nick Stevens
David Calthorpe
Jade Rawlings
Craig Bolton
Jamie Shanahan
Shane O'Bree
Darren Gaspar
Scott Russell
Brett Voss

To name some, these guys were good to excellent players when they were taken in a PSD.

 

[Mego Red]

Stephen Paxman
Stephen Powell
Joel Smith
Tony Francis
Nick Stevens
David Calthorpe
Jade Rawlings
Craig Bolton
Jamie Shanahan
Shane O'Bree
Darren Gaspar
Scott Russell
Brett Voss

To name some, these guys were good to excellent players when they were taken in a PSD.

Wow - that's an ancient history lesson.

Actually a lot of mediocre players in that lot. And almost none that their side wanted to keep, which seems to be a pretty significant part of this.

 

[Heisenberg_]

First of all I never insulted you and if I did it was never my intention. You're the one who insulted us about picking up Mark Williams for what we did, because of that can I suggest you're clueless?

I've simply been saying from the start that there is no chance you could get pick 8 for Knights yet you keep on coming back saying that you wouldn't except anything less. If that wasn't confusing enough you've now said that Knights isn't worth pick 8 but the only way we'd get him is if we give up pick 8 Do you understand how ridiculous you sound? You Adelaide are supporters are so delusional is laughable, Knights is injury prone as shown by his latest season AND Knights has had one good season, in 2009, with many people (including Adelaide supporters) suggesting he was a fringe player before that. If Craig asks us for pick 8 we'd laugh in his face and rightfully so, he's no where near worth that. If you're gonna be stubborn by not even discussing the other options with our first rounder not being available then I'm done waisting my breath, move along and hassle other clubs supporters.

Seriously dude how dumb are you to not understand it?
You have pick 8, and that is pretty much the only thing of value that you have at Essendon.
The only players that have any value you would not give up and your next pick is pick 30 which isn't enough, and they won't take pick 30+ rubbish player like Houli.
So its got to be pick 8, you can't use PSD as a bargaining tool because WC or Richmond would just take him.

 

[smasha]

Seriously dude how dumb are you to not understand it?
You have pick 8, and that is pretty much the only thing of value that you have at Essendon.
The only players that have any value you would not give up and your next pick is pick 30 which isn't enough, and they won't take pick 30+ rubbish player like Houli.
So its got to be pick 8, you can't use PSD as a bargaining tool because WC or Richmond would just take him.

Essendon=want gold but hand you a bag of dust.

Look what happened to the poor Saints.

 

[Invigoration]

No.

The Crows have zero need for a KPD.

Mids or Draft Picks to get Mids.

Re-read what he wrote, he said trade the Tiger's KPDs to another club for a pick, and then on-trade that pick to Adelaide.

 

[jo172]

Stephen Paxman
Stephen Powell
Joel Smith
Tony Francis
Nick Stevens
David Calthorpe
Jade Rawlings
Craig Bolton
Jamie Shanahan
Shane O'Bree
Darren Gaspar
Scott Russell
Brett Voss

To name some, these guys were good to excellent players when they were taken in a PSD.

From that list isn't Stevens the only one who really "walked" though?

I suppose in a manner of speaking Rawlings did.

 

[King Elvis]

Re-read what he wrote, he said trade the Tiger's KPDs to another club for a pick, and then on-trade that pick to Adelaide.

My bad; answer is still no.

Asgardian, your list proves my point.

Coughlan - Cheers; thought it was pretty obvious myself.

 

[Vader]

Stephen Paxman
Stephen Powell
Joel Smith
Tony Francis
Nick Stevens
David Calthorpe
Jade Rawlings
Craig Bolton
Jamie Shanahan
Shane O'Bree
Darren Gaspar
Scott Russell
Brett Voss

To name some, these guys were good to excellent players when they were taken in a PSD.

I think you missed Scott Camporeale, who walked from Carlton to Essendon. He's about the only decent player on that list and the only one whose original team wanted to keep him.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

I think you missed Scott Camporeale, who walked from Carlton to Essendon. He's about the only decent player on that list and the only one whose original team wanted to keep him.

... but not on the money and contract he was asking for (from memory).

 

[Footy Mad]

Re-read what he wrote, he said trade the Tiger's KPDs to another club for a pick, and then on-trade that pick to Adelaide.

The more options the better I say. Only pushes the price 1 way and thats up.

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

Seriously dude how dumb are you to not understand it?
You have pick 8, and that is pretty much the only thing of value that you have at Essendon.
The only players that have any value you would not give up and your next pick is pick 30 which isn't enough, and they won't take pick 30+ rubbish player like Houli.
So its got to be pick 8, you can't use PSD as a bargaining tool because WC or Richmond would just take him.

Mate I never suggested pick 30 and someone like Houli, if we were to trade that pick I'd give someone decent like Winderlich. Also I never used the PSD as a barganing tool so I don't know were you got that from. Anyway me and King Elvis have gone through this and we both understand eachothers opinion so no need to bring something up that was done.

 

[Heisenberg_]

I know that you never said that.
But they are your only options and why it will have to be pick 8 or you most likely won't get him.
Winderlich is average at best regardless.
Its quite clear my post has gone completely over your head

 

[Slattery_20]

I know that you never said that.
But they are your only options and why it will have to be pick 8 or you most likely won't get him.
Winderlich is average at best regardless.
Its quite clear my post has gone completely over your head

Not really.
Winderlich, at his best, is pretty good.
Producing it moe than 8 times a year is, and always has been, the problem.

 

[Brent Prismall#9]

I know that you never said that.
But they are your only options and why it will have to be pick 8 or you most likely won't get him.
Winderlich is average at best regardless.
Its quite clear my post has gone completely over your head

No you're post hasn't gone over my head I read it and understand it, did I really have to say that for you to know it? We have different opinions that's fact, I respect it but don't agree with it.

Given the fact that you've visited this thread I think its a fair assumption that you're interested in Knights? If so what would you give up for him?

 

[Asgardian]

Stephen Paxman
Stephen Powell
Joel Smith
Tony Francis
Nick Stevens
David Calthorpe
Jade Rawlings
Craig Bolton
Jamie Shanahan
Shane O'Bree
Darren Gaspar
Scott Russell
Brett Voss

To name some, these guys were good to excellent players when they were taken in a PSD.

Wow - that's an ancient history lesson.

Actually a lot of mediocre players in that lot. And almost none that their side wanted to keep, which seems to be a pretty significant part of this.

Some became mediocre, but at the time of walking, they were required players. Isn't that the true test of a player, if his original club wanted to retain his services?

From that list isn't Stevens the only one who really "walked" though?

I suppose in a manner of speaking Rawlings did.

No, they all did a runner

Asgardian, your list proves my point

They were all required players wanted by their original clubs (Paxman is of course an unusual case)

I think you missed Scott Camporeale, who walked from Carlton to Essendon. He's about the only decent player on that list and the only one whose original team wanted to keep him.

Short memory, how about Stevens, Port were desperate to keep him. Gaspar was a required player at the Tigers, hell, I could go through the entire list.

They were all required players, at that time at their original clubs. Just because some later became spuds does not alter the true facts at the time of the PSD.