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Because he was an arrogant w***er who thought his shit didn't stink? But they put up with him because he was undoubtedly talented.
That was the case when I was in a team with him, anyway.
As for Rogers, I thought he was a tosser when he was still in WA so it's not an anti-Vic thing. He'd be the only WA player I've ever laughed at when he failed miserably on Test debut.
It has been ridiculous the amount of hype with Hughes when Rogers has had a better season and is a more experienced player.
I laugh at how the 9 comm box talks up Hughes time and time again yet Rogers never garners a mention. I'd much rather Hughes be left in FC cricket for a few more years to adapt his game, because seriously unless he's the next Tendulkar he'll struggle initially in Test cricket whereas Rogers has already experienced it.
I know the selectors will pick Hughes if Haydos fails today because they are a bunch of biased fools, and should Hughes play I wish him well, but really Rogers is the next opener for Australia.
I laugh at how the 9 comm box talks up Hughes time and time again yet Rogers never garners a mention. I'd much rather Hughes be left in FC cricket for a few more years to adapt his game, because seriously unless he's the next Tendulkar he'll struggle initially in Test cricket whereas Rogers has already experienced it.
I know the selectors will pick Hughes if Haydos fails today because they are a bunch of biased fools, and should Hughes play I wish him well, but really Rogers is the next opener for Australia.
I agree with this, i think Rogers is ahead, he has been making first class runs for more seasons. Hughes will play for Australia surely one day, but now, especially with the side struggling a bit, Rogers would be a safer bet. It would be good to pick a young bloke like that though, can't remember the last 20 year old we picked (Steve Waugh?)
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Klinger is averaging more than Rogers...but you've essentially nailed it. Hughes will get the nod, if only because he's young and brings potential [insert lame justification here].
The last time we picked a true youngster (21 or under) would have been Martyn and Gillespie I think.
Hayden and Slater toured England in 93 as 21 year olds and were in direct competition for the opening slot, Slats ended up winning out and I think was 22 when he eventually debuted.
McDermott was only 18 when he debuted also?
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I'd rather play Klinger in the middle order, it's where he's found his success. It may be that his form would translate into opening as well, but the majority of Klinger's centuries and overall success has been at number 3, both for SA and for Victoria (he scored one further down I think, but I can only remember 1 of his centuries being as an opener).
As for Hughes, he's 19 years old and has barely played a season of cricket. He is very talented but throwing him into the deep end could hurt his development. We don't want to act too soon because it would starve him of the chance to find his game in the FC competition, and if he fails it could shatter his confidence.
Rogers has been doing very well in the Shield for several years now, and should be selected first. He deserves the go, and his added maturity and better season so far make him the best option right now.
As for Hughes, he's 19 years old and has barely played a season of cricket. He is very talented but throwing him into the deep end could hurt his development. We don't want to act too soon because it would starve him of the chance to find his game in the FC competition, and if he fails it could shatter his confidence.
Rogers has been doing very well in the Shield for several years now, and should be selected first. He deserves the go, and his added maturity and better season so far make him the best option right now.
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i agree with you.
Rogers has done the time, he's the leading runscorer in shield cricket for the past 5 seasons (by a long way too now that Jacques has been injured and played test cricket last season)....
He really deserves the shot and the time will definetaly come for Hughes. He is only 19 or 20 so there is not going to be any harm in him staying around and cutting his cloth for NSW for a couple more seasons.
Klinger is another option (although he is normally number 3 isn't he??) but he won't be considered for another 12+ months. It's unlikely the selectors will pick a guy who has been floating around for 6-7 seasons and then suddenly bursts with an unbelievable season. If, however, he is still scoring as heavily this time next year he'll definetaly have his name up for consideration.
For what it's worth i think Hayden will play Sydney, but another double failure could be the end.....
Just waiting for Jed to chime in on this Klinger talk
How does two months of form make you an international cricketer? His ability hasn't improved, only his stats.
Someone like David Hussey has been brilliant for six years.
How does two months of form make you an international cricketer? His ability hasn't improved, only his stats.
Someone like David Hussey has been brilliant for six years.
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Hughes is still only 20.... if he didn't play test cricket till (say for instance) the 2011 boxing day test, he'd be 23 and would still have the opportunity to nail down the australian opening spot for 10+ years....
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the difference is his stats aren't just improved, they are unbelievable this season. it's not like he is just averaging 50+, he is averaging over 90.... a freakish season
But as i said he won't be in consideration for at least 12 months, He has just floated around for a long time and produced nothing of real note during that time...
But if he finishes this season with an average of 80+ and come christmas next year is still averaging 70 or 80 for the 2009/2010 season then he has to come into calculations then....
It's easier to score this big when you don't have to worry about winning matches. It's not his fault the rest of his team sucks but others have proved themselves with big scores in big pressure situations.
The team doesn't need any more 30 year old recruits. It needs an injection of youth .. badly.
The problem is there are a few openers around the country who have been making runs, so you'd rather take a bloke who is in form than someone coming back from a long term injury. He may yet get back in the team but at the mo you'd have to go Rogers or Hughes.
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Yeah but not a guy with 16 FC matches to his name who is only 19 years old. You need to give guys like that time before you make them open the batting against one of the best pace attacks in the world.
If Rogers wasn't in the form hes in I would go Hughes. But not to pick Rogers after his form over the past seasons would be injustice to him. In saying that I wouldn't complain if Hughes is picked cause hes gone nearly 2 seasons with good form.
Hughes will be a goer you'd imagine. Because he'll have a small opportunity before Jaques comes back. Give him the experience, then he can go back to domestic cricket with the hunger for more. Perfect opportunity.
And then there's always the chance that he could really clamp onto that position and make it his own as a 20 year old.
No, Jaques will still be the priority for that position, but he himself rated himself an unlikely chance for South Africa, hence there's why this talk.
Added to that the last thing we really need right now is to bring in guys who are underdone or not in form.
And then there's always the chance that he could really clamp onto that position and make it his own as a 20 year old.
No, Jaques will still be the priority for that position, but he himself rated himself an unlikely chance for South Africa, hence there's why this talk.
Added to that the last thing we really need right now is to bring in guys who are underdone or not in form.
