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This will be a must-read.Drawing on and referencing BFew post in the media thread. Towards the end of 2000 which was after the murders, it appears BRE had been 'visiting' Karrakatta cemetery. That is certainly the suggestion even if these visits weren't entered in to evidence at trial. What do we make of all this and in particular a DNA link to one of the murders?
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^pre ordered on Amazon...can’t wait to read it.
I’ve always been invested in the Claremont murders, it was close to home when I lived there at the time and was overjoyed when they finally got the ****. I’m still very much an old school book reader so that’s more my thing than zoom...but I’ll check in to see how it goesIt's been expanded as well, so it's longer than the publisher's initially requested. There's also a zoom meeting with Bret in February that some of us are checking in to, I'm not sure how they work but imagine there will be a question time so that might be interesting and will probably end up in our thread.
If something had been left at JR or CGs grave site, a family member or friend would have noticed. Perhaps he had visited JRs grave site, with some of her clothing and left it behind. JR was found without clothes.
I was wrong about it being BREs DNA which was found rather something belonging to JR - good pick up Kurve.
I've mentioned beforehand, perhaps the kimono was left on purpose - like a calling card - I don't know the proper word.
You're probably right. Makes sense they might have found some women's clothing at KK. Thinking modified clothing in the personal area.For sure, anything that was a bit different at the grave sites would have been noticed straight away. If they didn't have a hidden cam somewhere.
We might be getting close to finding out why investigators suspected the CSK liked to dress in womens clothes. Something to do with what they found or was seen in the cemetery towards the end of 2000? Aside from the DNA link.
You're probably right. Makes sense they might have found some women's clothing at KK. Thinking modified clothing in the personal area.
I can just imagine him spending time at the graveyard, all on his lonesome - doing whatever.
Remember the pervert at Rowe Park, in daylight was fondling with himself. So wrapped up in what he was doing to himself, he wasn't aware someone was watching. Because he was reminiscing the fantasy of what he'd done to that poor girl.
You're probably right. Makes sense they might have found some women's clothing at KK. Thinking modified clothing in the personal area.
I can just imagine him spending time at the graveyard, all on his lonesome - doing whatever.
Remember the pervert at Rowe Park, in daylight was fondling with himself. So wrapped up in what he was doing to himself, he wasn't aware someone was watching. Because he was reminiscing the fantasy of what he'd done to that poor girl.
I've managed to find some information...Do you have a link to Rowe Park LAM? I don't remember it.
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The witness was able to pin-point from his own records the period in 1995 during which he saw a man publicly masturbating in Claremont’s Rowe Park, op-posite the Showground subway.The man was in full view of passing motorists.The witness said that he had left the man alone, thinking he was just a sad, lonely loser.The witness did not know then that just weeks earlier a teen-ager had been abducted from the same place after midnight, blindfolded, tied up and driven to nearby Karrakatta Cemetery, r*ped and left for dead
"... police provisionally linked more than 20 attacks on women in the streets of Claremont, who had been partying locally, to the known crimes of Edwards.
The links were not made until 14 years after Edwards abducted a 17-year-old girl from Claremont in February 1995 and sexually assaulted her in Karrakatta Cemetery"
14 years after? Don't think so.
Drawing on and referencing BFew post in the media thread. Towards the end of 2000 which was after the murders, it appears BRE had been 'visiting' Karrakatta cemetery. That is certainly the suggestion even if these visits weren't entered in to evidence at trial. What do we make of all this and in particular a DNA link to one of the murders?
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Some good points. Just want to add a couple of things after reading that. You are right about servos you could use, I remember a servo in Bibra Lakes industrial area that was unattended where you used a fuel card or atm card at the bowser to pay for the fuel. It wasn't really used by the public but was by fleet vehicles, taxis etc. There were only a handful of these types of servos spread across Perth but i only ever used the Bibra Lakes one myself. Anyways telecom/telstra isn't the only company that would have had a copy of them transactions, so too would the servo companies and FleetCard (if i am remembering the correct name).I’ve copied over a post I made on another platform last year but have also just added a couple more things at the end after reading through a few of the recent posts from others on here.
I just hope WAPOL were able to exhaust all possible avenues with Telstra with respect to their Fleet Car Fuel Cards, there was several things mentioned throughout the trial and that basically by the end of 2015 all transactional information such as fuel and repairs against each vehicle was destroyed.
My mum worked for Telecom/Telstra for over 30 years, (in management) as kids during the mid 90’s my sister and I where in our early teens, any form of bank card, fuel card or whatever was a huge novelty and so it was always a bit of a thing between us as to who was quick enough to be able to get this “magical card” out of the glove box in time and be able to run in and pay for the fuel, again on this “magical card” that you just swiped, didn’t have to pay any money over the counter for and away you go. (seems like nothing now but back then it was a huge thing) anyway the point that im getting to is, there was only two fuel stations you could use, BP and Shell, each time you would have to quote the vehicle odometer reading to the operator and when they swiped the car they would often look outside and make sure the rego that the car was electronically issued to was in fact the car that was being filled up, then you would give them the odometer and then they would print the receipt, no doubt something went electronically through the atmosphere to Telstra/Fleetmiss and also you were meant to put the receipt copy in the fuel card wallet in the glove box.
As many can probably start to appreciate this information would be absolutely invaluable in general, each time you filled up it printed off information such as the servo you were at, the time, the rego, the odometer, the fuel quantity amount etc.
This has always made me wonder if this info was available then how much it would allow someone to triangulate BRE movements in general, I’ve got no doubt that it would have shown up some very crazy trends, not forgetting that fuel stations were not located every 5 minutes apart like they are now and also there would have been very very few 24/7 servo’s back then, perhaps just some of the large truck stops etc, and I know I’m prob going off on a tangent here but given the far great info that’s known about BRE now, we might just never no but it does make me somewhat sad to think that in 2015 all of this information was destroyed (so we are told) and we could of be just a fuel receipt worth of info with dates on or about the night of or day after Sarah’s disappearance, not to mention just being able to pick out some irregularities etc and this is just for the purpose of illustration but lets say there was only ever 2-3 fuel receipts from a servo up around Karragullen for argument sake, then sh*t like this might seem abnormal, given its remote location and only filling up there twice lets say.
What it also would do is allow investigators to view his trends and patterns in reverse given that we know he did murder Jane and Ciara and also knowing their body locations.
Perhaps still even without Sarah’s body if this information was available it might have shown him filling up regularly in the Claremont/surrounding area’s, combined with linking this further to his ATM withdrawals then who know’s, also keeping in mind this important statement Ms Eldridge made when called as a witness during the trial, during periods of her employment with Telecom/Telstra she was employed in their fleet vehicle management division.
“The vehicle's typical odometer reading increased between late 1995 and 1996”
As most would know the one thing directly proportional to any odometer reading/recording is fuel usage..
I’ve often since wondered what they still have records for because it may further assist in showing some behavioral tendencies of BRE, also I was able to locate in Telstra’s Corporate Report for 2005/2006 that this was when they began installing GPS tracking to their operational fleet vehicles.
One last thing I often wonder about also is whether the likes of Macro was able to scrutinize his internet search history to the nth degree and beyond, specifically with interest to anything associated with Google earth/maps/street view searches and history etc
Yeh, I'm with you Shelly & can only think of victims clothing that might link to one of the murders or a swipe of either Ciara's headstone or Jane's plaque, or something else that yielded a profile of BRE's & matched the DNA retrieved from under CG's nails.It says the DNA evidence found at Karrakatta in around 2000 created a link to one of the murders. There might be an explanation for this that I just haven't thought of but atm it might look like BRE has returned to the cemetery and left an item of clothing behind that belonged to one the girls and if so it would most likely be Jane. Not that it was BREs DNA they found but Jane's and some time after her murder?
Something in the "lost property" box at the cemetery perhaps? Unknown when or where it was located exactly? I have no idea.It's interesting. I don't know what year they actually DNA tested these items, it might seem a bit of a stretch to think the local police would send random items of clothing in to forensics. If it was in the year 2000 I would think any item found must have been connected to a crime at the time or why would they bother? Or it was found and put in a box like the kimono that they dragged out later for testing?
There was definitely more than one sick bastard lurking in the area. A long blonde haired skinny dude & a rapist duo for starters. There was also at least one other guy arrested trying to lure a girl into his car in Mosman Park by cops investigating CSK who was said to be charged on other matters.Very interesting mentioning all of those sex crimes happening in Claremont prior to KK. I think BRE could possibly be responsible for many, if not most of them. I’m guessing that such crimes aren’t as frequent after the police surveillance of the area subsequent to the crimes that he was found guilty for.
Judging by what BRE has been found guilty of, including HH, he could be a suspect for many various crimes over the last 30+ years. That’s because he did seem to have a variety of MOs, including home invasions and taking women off the street. And HH just demonstrated how bold he could be.
I’m not saying he’s guilty of all of them or even some of them. But he can’t be discounted. His current criminal record confirms he’s a prolific offender. The question still remains just how prolific.
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* A women r*ped by 2 men in toilets at Indianna Tea House on Cottesloe beach 12/12/97.
* Women picked up Beaufort St, knocked unconsious & r*ped by 2 men in Kings Park 12/10/02.
* Duo picked a woman up in a red commodore in Subi and r*ped her off Underwood Ave 23/04/06 (identikit).
Sure do, look like brothers? And do we all remember the CSK Psychic Taskforce "ID" Sketch? Weird. All these creeps prowling around doing their evil deeds at the same time!Two mugshots top left, they have a similar look.
No not as far as I recall, but wasn't a stocking in the mouth part of his MO at times? They must have either found a stocking in or near her to be asking that question?Did we ever work out why there seemed to be so much focus on whether Ciara wore stockings or not?
Is it possible BRE could have been part of the duo?There was definitely more than one sick bastard lurking in the area. A long blonde haired skinny dude & a rapist duo for starters. There was also at least one other guy arrested trying to lure a girl into his car in Mosman Park by cops investigating CSK who was said to be charged on other matters.
Yep, eerily familiar even.Two mugshots top left, they have a similar look.