Current Claremont Murders Discussion & Edwards trial updates pt4 - Beyond the Verdict

[Kurve]

Here is
- Claremont Murders - Part One and Part Two and Part 3
- Media
- The Bunker

• Hey Bret? Stalking Claremont the book.
• Justice Hall's Decision 619 pgs

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Interesting video casey jones but the obvious first question is why do you mark the 9th where you have and use the gpo as the midway point whereas for CG and JR's dates the gpo is the starting point for those lines?
Shouldnt the 9 be marked between the gpo location and his house so as to use the same starting point as the other two?

For what its worth I believe you are on the right track but im not sure the gpo has relevance.
If lines or coordinates are relevant to his crimes then the line between CG and JR that passes directly through their last known location cant be ignored which it seems you have.
If you instead use claremont as your central point and draw a line from the groyne where Julie Cutlers car was found it leads to the carpark where Sarah McMahons car was found.

 

[metic]

Why are we not debating the pattern in the video. Dancing around posting about irrelevant stuff. No one can shoot it down and there are too many big ego's here to admit that it's all there. It is a fact that the pattern works perfectly and there has not been one positive comment.

if it's your voice, I do respect your genuine, it helps to separate you from previous crackpots like dan baker & his many aliases, you have similarities - same type of name used , caseyjones fits perfectly.
"Phil Hughes"
this shows me your memory or research skills are poor.
"macro detective" also poor research.
"big egos"?! do you mean we are "knowledgeable" ?
this is a credibility issue,
I am not looking at your map theory yet because i see you haven't paid attention to details to begin with.
Do you think B.Edwards involved with SLD, and Peta Weber who disappeared early one morning at "The Gap" Albany ?


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[metic]

Mates, relatives, only one can be true, but not for me to say. In 2008, i figured out that he used predetermined places to put the girls. This means he used a pattern, which also shows the direction of his huntingdale house. I have a photo which is from 2014, showing that direction, 27 months before they knew his name.
I'll find it and post it.

Casey J did you post this photo yet ??

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[metic]

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here's a strange website with a lot of information collected. I found it when looking for other claremont case news...


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[CaseyJones]

Interesting video casey jones but the obvious first question is why do you mark the 9th where you have and use the gpo as the midway point whereas for CG and JR's dates the gpo is the starting point for those lines?
Shouldnt the 9 be marked between the gpo location and his house so as to use the same starting point as the other two?

For what its worth I believe you are on the right track but im not sure the gpo has relevance.
If lines or coordinates are relevant to his crimes then the line between CG and JR that passes directly through their last known location cant be ignored which it seems you have.
If you instead use claremont as your central point and draw a line from the groyne where Julie Cutlers car was found it leads to the carpark where Sarah McMahons car was found.

The GPO is relevant, it is the centre of the entire pattern. I'm not sure what you mean about why i marked the 9th where i did. If referring to where it is while the circle is on the GPO, thats where it is because the other two dates line up with JR and CG. There is a verbal mistake at one point concerning the line for the 9th, where i mentioned JR and should have said SS.
The line that runs thru claremont, JR to CG has not been ignored as you can see, the 14th is under the ruler. That was to be included in the next video, once again in order, 27 to 9, 14 to 15, with 27 and 14 pointing to the next victims.
That line was discovered 20 years ago.
Fair enough with your last point, thats a new one, hope something else eventuates

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The GPO is relevant, it is the centre of the entire pattern. I'm not sure what you mean about why i marked the 9th where i did. If referring to where it is while the circle is on the GPO, thats where it is because the other two dates line up with JR and CG. There is a verbal mistake at one point concerning the line for the 9th, where i mentioned JR and should have said SS.
The line that runs thru claremont, JR to CG has not been ignored as you can see, the 14th is under the ruler. That was to be included in the next video, once again in order, 27 to 9, 14 to 15, with 27 and 14 pointing to the next victims.
That line was discovered 20 years ago.
Fair enough with your last point, thats a new one, hope something else eventuates

Sorry, perhaps i wasnt clear enough.
On your wheel you have the 9th at the top left and say it points to his house, which is on the bottom right side of the map after passing through the centre or gpo as it sits, whereas it seems the dates youve put for JR and CG are between the centre/gpo and body locations for each.

Am i the only one who see's that as inconsistent or have i misinterpreted it?

 

[CaseyJones]

if it's your voice, I do respect your genuine, it helps to separate you from previous crackpots like dan baker & his many aliases, you have similarities - same type of name used , caseyjones fits perfectly.
"Phil Hughes"
this shows me your memory or research skills are poor.
"macro detective" also poor research.
"big egos"?! do you mean we are "knowledgeable" ?
this is a credibility issue,
I am not looking at your map theory yet because i see you haven't paid attention to details to begin with.
Do you think B.Edwards involved with SLD, and Peta Weber who disappeared early one morning at "The Gap" Albany ?


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Fill me in on the details i missed.

 

[CaseyJones]

Sorry, perhaps i wasnt clear enough.
On your wheel you have the 9th at the top left and say it points to his house, which is on the bottom right side of the map after passing through the centre or gpo as it sits, whereas it seems the dates youve put for JR and CG are between the centre/gpo and body locations for each.

Am i the only one who see's that as inconsistent or have i misinterpreted it?

Each date you mentioned that is printed on the circle, of which the centre is placed on the GPO, points to the 2 previous bodies and 1 missing person. 14 january, which is the day sarah lee davey went missing, point to the previous victim jane rimmer. 22nd june, which is the day peta webber went missing, points to the previous victim ciara glennon. 9th june runs thru the circle to the south east and runs over his house. That 9th line is also the direction for sarah spiers as indicated by the way the pattern works.
Thanks for trying to clear it up, all good.

 

[CaseyJones]

Casey J did you post this photo yet ??

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No, but you just reminded me. Its on an old phone, so i'll charge it up and post it, trouble is i have 3 old phones.

 

[PenfoldsFan]

The GPO is relevant, it is the centre of the entire pattern. I'm not sure what you mean about why i marked the 9th where i did. If referring to where it is while the circle is on the GPO, thats where it is because the other two dates line up with JR and CG. There is a verbal mistake at one point concerning the line for the 9th, where i mentioned JR and should have said SS.
The line that runs thru claremont, JR to CG has not been ignored as you can see, the 14th is under the ruler. That was to be included in the next video, once again in order, 27 to 9, 14 to 15, with 27 and 14 pointing to the next victims.
That line was discovered 20 years ago.
Fair enough with your last point, thats a new one, hope something else eventuates

Interestingly, in that picture the line which travels from off the coast of Freemantle, through the GPO appears to pass through the old swan districts hospital where Sarah McMahons car was found.
Does 8th of November fit in with any of your calculations?

 

[PenfoldsFan]

Each date you mentioned that is printed on the circle, of which the centre is placed on the GPO, points to the 2 previous bodies and 1 missing person. 14 january, which is the day sarah lee davey went missing, point to the previous victim jane rimmer. 22nd june, which is the day peta webber went missing, points to the previous victim ciara glennon. 9th june runs thru the circle to the south east and runs over his house. That 9th line is also the direction for sarah spiers as indicated by the way the pattern works.
Thanks for trying to clear it up, all good.

You've certainly got my interest, im just struggling to understand why dates are where they are.
Take the 22nd for example, you say it points back to CG, are you saying that a straight line between The Gap where Peta Weber went missing and Pippidinny Rd Eglinton where CG was found will pass right through the GPO?

 

[BonzaRam]

Why are we not debating the pattern in the video. Dancing around posting about irrelevant stuff. No one can shoot it down and there are too many big ego's here to admit that it's all there. It is a fact that the pattern works perfectly and there has not been one positive comment.

Hmmm, as I have said previously unless you can place Edwards in Broome on the wharf, which was under watch at the time, on the night of January 14th 1997 and also in Albany at the infamous Gap on the 22nd of June 1997 then all you have is a nice dial/pie chart by finding cases outside of known CSK cases that fit the pattern you are looking for.

So "Why are we not debating the pattern in the video" because there is nothing to debate, yes it is a pattern, but it proves nothing in regards BRE committing them two crimes.
Now I have been assuming the intent behind the graph was to aid in locating SS. Does it do that? and if so why has she not been found yet? I do hope you are not inadvertently raise hopes where none exist.

 

[CaseyJones]

Interestingly, in that picture the line which travels from off the coast of Freemantle, through the GPO appears to pass through the old swan districts hospital where Sarah McMahons car was found.
Does 8th of November fit in with any of your calculations?

It may be a part of what he has commited, but to be honest, i have not found a way to work anything out past peta webber at the moment.

 

[Mudman85]

It may be a part of what he has commited, but to be honest, i have not found a way to work anything out past peta webber at the moment.

Bring back Phibes

 

[CaseyJones]

Hmmm, as I have said previously unless you can place Edwards in Broome on the wharf, which was under watch at the time, on the night of January 14th 1997 and also in Albany at the infamous Gap on the 22nd of June 1997 then all you have is a nice dial/pie chart by finding cases outside of known CSK cases that fit the pattern you are looking for.

So "Why are we not debating the pattern in the video" because there is nothing to debate, yes it is a pattern, but it proves nothing in regards BRE committing them two crimes.
Now I have been assuming the intent behind the graph was to aid in locating SS. Does it do that? and if so why has she not been found yet? I do hope you are not inadvertently raise hopes where none exist.

I'm glad you are the first to realise that it is indeed a pattern, and had the guts to say it.
It is possible that she left the wharf and started walking to town. So its possible she met her fate away from the wharf meaning if he was responsible, he could have been between the wharf and town. Everyone has the mindset that she disappeared at the wharf, because of what we've been told.
This all arose from the body positions being so far apart and in totally different directions, so on discovering a pattern, naturally the goal progresses to finding the missing one. I've kept this under wraps for 13 years and decided to let it out into the public, realising that it may affect the famillies.
BTW, it ties him in because the 9th of june runs to his house and works perfectly with the pattern.

 

[CaseyJones]

You've certainly got my interest, im just struggling to understand why dates are where they are.
Take the 22nd for example, you say it points back to CG, are you saying that a straight line between The Gap where Peta Weber went missing and Pippidinny Rd Eglinton where CG was found will pass right through the GPO?

No mate, thats not what it does. 22nd is simply pointing the the previous victim.

 

[Krusty Crab]

If you zoom in, its clearly about 5k off freo harbour. How do you come up with 'in freo harbour'. There are no rules to say that a body can not be transported over a long distance, as i described in a much earlier post.
Look at how exact the pattern is, therefore what it is telling you, not me telling you. It can not be wrong. Other members posts also tell you the connection bradley

I know about BRE connection to Broome. sorry but im not buying any of this. SLD went missing in Broome. the accepted version of events is she went missing from the wharf. so for your theory to hold water we are supposed to some how accept that every thing the witnesses have said regarding SLD movements is wrong, she made it off the wharf to another location, bumped into BRE who just happened to be there, he decided to kill her, and then instead of dumping the body soon after as was his previous style, he packed it up in his car, drove about 2000km back to perth, got hold of a boat, got the body on the boat and dumped it out of freo harbour.

not only that but BRE is also hanging about near the gap in Albany at a very early hour for some reason or other, and coincidentally bumps into a woman that has gone fishing with her husband when she doesnt like fishing, and he decides to kill her.

Isnt it more likely there is a simpler solution for these crimes? SLD was killed by dorrough. Weber most likely killed by the husband. makes more sense to me than suddenly believing that SLD body is somewhere at sea out of freo becasue a circle is never wrong.

in one of your posts you mentioned something about explaining this to the cops, and you have also mentioned that it gives you an address for SS body. surely if there was anything to the theory the cops would of searched that address, and there would of been much public fanfare.

 

[Mudman85]

No mate, thats not what it does. 22nd is simply pointing the the previous victim.

Yeah and I can draw lines to Collie and David Birnies house. Perth is pretty much one big straight line.

For a very long time Perth metro area was North-South & East-West(not far West). Main roads and transport routes etc was very much north-south-east centric.

 

[Mudman85]

Yeah and I can draw lines to Collie and David Birnies house. Perth is pretty much one big straight line.

For a very long time Perth metro area was North-South & East-West(not far West). Main roads and transport routes etc was very much north-south-east centric.

You could probably draw a line from Broome to Margaret River or Geraldton to Albany and it will pass not far from the CBD, or Claremont, or Huntingdale. Or maybe Guildford where BRE once played Indoor cricket on a Tuesday evening in 1994.

The trial pretty much showed he was a bumbling horn dog who managed to avoid detection through good luck and poor policing rather than criminal genius and meticulous planning.

Find Sarah Spiers and I might take the pie chart and it’s ramblings seriously.

 

[CaseyJones]

I know about BRE connection to Broome. sorry but im not buying any of this. SLD went missing in Broome. the accepted version of events is she went missing from the wharf. so for your theory to hold water we are supposed to some how accept that every thing the witnesses have said regarding SLD movements is wrong, she made it off the wharf to another location, bumped into BRE who just happened to be there, he decided to kill her, and then instead of dumping the body soon after as was his previous style, he packed it up in his car, drove about 2000km back to perth, got hold of a boat, got the body on the boat and dumped it out of freo harbour.

not only that but BRE is also hanging about near the gap in Albany at a very early hour for some reason or other, and coincidentally bumps into a woman that has gone fishing with her husband when she doesnt like fishing, and he decides to kill her.

Isnt it more likely there is a simpler solution for these crimes? SLD was killed by dorrough. Weber most likely killed by the husband. makes more sense to me than suddenly believing that SLD body is somewhere at sea out of freo becasue a circle is never wrong.

in one of your posts you mentioned something about explaining this to the cops, and you have also mentioned that it gives you an address for SS body. surely if there was anything to the theory the cops would of searched that address, and there would of been much public fanfare.

All very good points, but how does the pattern work in the manner in which it does without being designed to work that way, its impossible that it just turned out that way.

 

[metic]

tried to post this already but it didn't succeed. here's another attempt,
unable to get the link address from this:

"Man claims to be Mystery Man on CCTV"

"The man, who was not named or identified in the book, told Christian that he and Jane had grown up in the same area. He had attended the same school as Jane and her older siblings and was well acquainted with her family. His version of events was that he was out clubbing with a separate group of people and happened to bump into her outside The Continental. He hadn’t seen her in years and said something like “Little Jane Rimmer, all grown up!”. They chatted briefly and went their separate ways again, with him probably being the last person to speak to her. He immediately recognised himself in the CCTV footage but chose not to come forward due to struggles in his personal life. He also feared becoming a suspect in the case and the damage it may do to his life. This fear was not unfounded, as three key suspects – Lance Williams, Peter Weygers, and Steven Ross – all suffered years-long campaigns of surveillance and harassment at the hands of investigators who were convinced of their guilt."

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[CaseyJones]

Yeah and I can draw lines to Collie and David Birnies house. Perth is pretty much one big straight line.

For a very long time Perth metro area was North-South & East-West(not far West). Main roads and transport routes etc was very much north-south-east centric.

Can you put specific dates of missing women on those lines that will point to bodies IN ORDER from a central point on a calendared circle, no you cant can you?

 

[jason_recliner]

All very good points, but how does the pattern work in the manner in which it does without being designed to work that way, its impossible that it just turned out that way.

It works because that is the pattern you have created. It's completely arbitary e.g. using GPO. An algorithm can be generated for any dataset.

You haven't predicted anything. Until SS is found at that location it's meaningless.

 

[BFew]

So Bret Christian is claimed to have included the self professed MM's story in the Afterword section of the second edition, release this year (2022).

So I went back to my Bret's Stalking Claremont Kindle e-book, and had a look at the "Afterword" section that comes about the last Chapter in the book. To see if a 2nd edition had updated my 1st edition version. It hadn't.

Tried deleting it from my Kindle library and downloading it again, and going to the Kindle web browser version of it from my Kindle account. No luck there either.

I can find no evidence of there ever being an edition published in 2022 (hardback or e-book).
Or any other reporting or forum or social media post quoting what this reddit poster, claimed last month

Maybe a revised edition or some of it's content was and removed/rescinded after first publishing it.

Maybe this Reddit poster is making shit up, or has been provided with this info without verifying it's truth.

 

[Kurve]

Don't place direct links in to Redditt or before we know it, links will be going up all over the thread to other sites and where we've encountered issues before. Thanks.