Unsolved Claremont Serial Killings - Case update: DNA discovery

[_Mike_]

An update in the WA times has been released today with regards to a DNA discovery linking an unsolved 1995 rape to the murder of a Perth solicitor who is one of the CSK victims.

Police link forensic evidence from unsolved 1995 rape to Claremont serial killer:

http://www.perthnow.com.au/news/wes...r/news-story/892372bf2e7886119c85f1860924685a

WA Police refuse to confirm reports of an alleged breakthrough in the Claremont serial killer investigation — linking forensic evidence from an unsolved 1995 rape to the murder of solicitor Ciara Glennon.

Ms Glennon was the third young woman to go missing in Claremont between January 1996 and March 1997 — which has become the nation’s longest running criminal investigation.

Perth’s The Post newspaper has reported police have uncovered a “forensic link’’ that shows a man who abducted and r*ped a woman from Claremont in 1995, was also responsible for the murder of solicitor Ciara Glennon.


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[Moonwatcher]

Relaxing some of those rules may up the post rate a bit....

Quite amazing that new links can be made in cases like these where it otherwise looks that the killer has got away with the crime. Frustrating that it links to another unsolved crime though. Maybe there will be an overlap in suspects for the crimes.

 

[billywhizz]

Hopefully.

They have known about this forensic link for six years, yet made no appeals for anyone having information about the 1995 incident to come forward.

Earlier this month the cop that had been leading the investigation for seven years was taken off the case - https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/wa/a/29709275/top-cop-taken-off-cold-case/


Here is the latest Post article: (*Note* - earlier this year there was a Post article stating that police were doing familial DNA testing and that there would be more developments later this year)

Police have made a positive link between an unknown rap-ist and the murderer of one of the three victims of the infa-mous Claremont serial killer.


The forensic link shows that the man who abducted a woman from a Claremont street late at night and sexually assaulted her in Karrakatta Cemetery in 1995, is the same man who murdered Ciara Glennon.Police hope the breakthrough will lead to the arrest of the man who preyed on and murdered young women who had been partying in central Claremont in the mid-1990s. Police have long linked three crimes, all assumed to be mur-ders.But it is now known that there is a link between at least one of the murders and an abduction and sexual assault where the victim survived.

Ms Glennon, a 27-year-old lawyer, was the last known victim, in 1997, of the unknown man who became notorious Australia-wide as the Claremont serial killer.She was last seen after leav-ing the Claremont Hotel around midnight on March 17. She was talking to someone in a white station wagon stopped on Stirling Highway, opposite Hungry Jack’s.The attacks by the same per-son are now known to span at least three years.When the Claremont cold case investigation that uncovered the vital clue began in 2004, police announced that the cases of 16 missing women would be included.

The Special Crime Squad is actively investigating the mys-tery that began nearly 20 years ago with the disappearance of secretary Sarah Spiers (18) from Stirling Road in Claremont after she had left Club Bay View around 2am in January 1996.On February 12, 1995, a year before the abduction of the first known “serial killer” victim, Sarah Spiers.The 17-year-old rape victim had left Club Bay View after midnight and was walking to a friend’s house in Gugeri Street, opposite the Claremont Showgrounds’ arena.But she did not arrive. As she walked past Rowe Park opposite the Claremont subway, a man abducted her and forced her into what was described at the time as a van.He tied her wrists with what was described as telephone cable, and her head was covered. She later told police she did not see her attacker’s face.She was driven into the darkness of a remote part of Karrakatta Cemetery, stripped and sexually assaulted then released.She ran to the nearest visible light, the admissions section of Hollywood Hospital in nearby Monash Avenue, Nedlands, on the other side of the cemetery from Gugeri Street.A few months after Sarah Spiers disappeared, local child-care work-er Jane Rimmer, who had been at the Claremont Hotel, disappeared. She was thought to have been abducted walking east in Stirling Highway, Claremont. Her body was found south of Perth.Ms Glennon’s body was found north of Perth and Sarah Spiers’ body has never been found.That crime remains unsolved.

A 12-man squad has been working almost full-time on the Claremont serial killer case since the forensic link was made, with the help of ad-vances in forensic science, in 2009.Detectives are also keen to re-investigate any other attacks, sexual crimes, attempted abduc-tions or even home invasions in the 1990s in case the same culprit was involved. This could provide small but important links to the killer police seek. Since then, detectives have interviewed and re-interviewed thousands of people in the hope of completing the link, so far without success.The breakthrough forensic link has led police to abandon their focus on a Cottesloe public serv-ant, where they had focused most of their resources for many years.Perth metropolitan media at the time freely referred to him as the chief suspect.The cold case squad has also eliminated former Claremont mayor Peter Weygers, whose home was raided in 2004 after a tip from a clairvoyant.

When, in 1997, the POST pub-lished the opinion of a US crime expert that the first place to start looking for the culprit was the cemetery attacker, WA police is-sued a press statement asking the media not to publish the views of outside experts.Detectives at the time said the cemetery and Claremont serial killer attacks were not linked. They have now totally changed their view. They believe all four crimes, all blitz attacks, were sexually motivated and linked to the same man.

 

[88mph]

This totally breaks the case open and narrows the search field (potentially);

Proves CSK was a lone wolf
No taxi used (which goes against what I've always suspected)
Used the snatch and grab method
Very meticulous in the fact he covered the victims face during the attack.

However the methods may have changed for the following attacks, so who knows.

Wonder if anything will come of it.

 

[_Mike_]

Wonder if anything will come of it.

I dont know honestly but this raises 2 scenarios IMO

Scenario 1: the Police have known about the probability of the CSK working as a lone wolf but stayed with the taxi line all along in a covert attempt to unveil more information without raising suspicions of the actual CSK

Scenario 2: the detectives on the case are so far off and have no idea with the latest evidence setting back their investigation by years.

 

[excaliburx]

DNA evidence - check.

Reported link between Karrakatta rapist with CSK victim 3 CG.

No surprises given the group has been incessantly denying (hoping against hope) DNA existence all over the Internet.

Nothing new given the announcement earlier in the year about familial DNA.

Probably from someone who said no thanks, I'd prefer not too. Immediate POI.

Or an absent or deceased friend....

After all, they hunt in a pack like predatory animals, or is it perhaps better expressed as a congregation, cohort or tribe?

Seen vans mentioned before here and elsewhere, along with taxis.

Police still have "Mystery Man" (MM) on the radar too judging from the Crimestoppers site. And a lot more CCTV footage than the media released section of MM interacting with JR.

The online CSK "experts" can fill you in on these aspects, or perhaps not. Some of their input has been very illuminating despite their intentions otherwise - much appreciated.

And a swarm of new members will suddenly arrive, like every other thread on the subject. Just watch.

Good pictures in the media reports too, hey? Makes you wonder, travelling back in time..

Lone wolf - nah, big bad wolf with their filthy friends. Escalation of their perversions.

All will be revealed soon enough. And then the rest of the dominos will fall - the ones who haven't already.

 

[Frankie1972]

i was one of the three guys at the bus stop that night my friend said a car stop that night but I see no car that night stop

 

[hillsgirl]

What are you talking about? That post doesn't make sense. I was in late teens/early 20's and living on Stirling Hwy at the time of these murders and as a stupid young girl with self destructive tendencies used to walk up the hwy at night. Maybe long dark hair saved my life? It makes my skin crawl to think about what could have happened. I really hope this is solved soon. Maybe the girl from Karakatta can identify the CSK (height, build, age etc), even if she didn't see his face. I hope she is doing ok. Poor woman, this must be retraumatising for her.

 

[hillsgirl]

How do you know they have known about DNA links for 6 years?

 

[Sutton]

How do you know they have known about DNA links for 6 years?

Hi. This is my first post on BF, but I've posted elsewhere about the case. Thanks to the mods for opening another thread here.

The six year reference is based on articles reporting the forensic link was made in 2009.

http://m.watoday.com.au/wa-news/cla...vestigate-1995-rape-lead-20151016-gkaq8i.html

 

[hillsgirl]

Thanks, that's interesting. Did the girl ever give a description of her attacker? I looked on crimestoppers for unsolved rape from that time but nothing there.

 

[Lou Deringer]

i was one of the three guys at the bus stop that night my friend said a car stop that night but I see no car that night stop

I was one of the guys at the bus stop that night MS GLennon when missing I did not see any car stop.

Are you able to clarify this - were you looking but couldn't see a car or were you not looking and therefore didn't see anything?

Do yoy think your mate's version of events is accurate?

 

[billywhizz]

DNA evidence - check.

Links cemetery rapist with CSK victim 3 CG - check.

No surprises given the group involved has been incessantly denying DNA existence all over the Internet.

Just to confirm - you are not surprised that DNA evidence exists and the reason for your lack of surprise is that a group of people have previously mentioned on the internet that it doesn't exist?

What does the group involved stand to gain from denying its existence?

 

[excaliburx]

Pretty amazing reaction across the Internet to the latest media reports.

You'd think a "lone wolf" CSK would be living in fear at the moment with that revelation. About their DNA. Keeping a low profile. Only a matter of time.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...564607464?sv=bfebbd2c7abb9d73b6a433f3125082a1

That "lone wolf" CSK must be pretty stupid - if you believe those that continue their online deception about a single perp in an attempt at self preservation. Multiple personalities and genders trying to play silly buggars with IP too.

Believe what you will..

BBW+

Vans, taxis and station wagons.

Wonder how much more evidence is in hand? All those interviews, swabs and data.

In addition to the publicised DNA link that was established many moons ago.

 

[hillsgirl]

What do you mean? Why would there be supporters of CSK "Lone Wolf"? What do you mean "they" must have multiple personalities, genders? Who is "they"?Can you be less cryptic? What is BBW? I thought that was an acronym for Big Beautiful Woman haha?

 

[Frankie1972]

Are you able to clarify this - were you looking but couldn't see a car or were you not looking and therefore didn't see anything?

Do yoy think your mate's version of events is accurate?

I did have a few drink but I last seen her close to the school down the hill.

 

[hillsgirl]

Apologies. Yes, I would like to see this thread continue too.

 

[Lou Deringer]

I did have a few drink but I last seen her close to the school down the hill.

So was there a car or not?

 

[Sutton]

Pretty amazing reaction across the Internet to the latest media reports.

You'd think a "lone wolf" CSK would be living in fear at the moment with that revelation. About their DNA. Keeping a low profile. Only a matter of time.

http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news...564607464?sv=bfebbd2c7abb9d73b6a433f3125082a1

That "lone wolf" CSK must be pretty stupid - if you believe those that continue their online deception about a single perp in an attempt at self preservation. I might rephrase that - survival. Multiple personalities and genders trying to play silly buggars with IP too.

Believe what you will..

BBW+

Vans, taxis and station wagons.

Wonder how much more evidence is in hand? All those interviews, swabs and data.

In addition to the publicised DNA link that was established many moons ago.

The reaction that I've seen has been underwhelming. Maybe I'm not in the right places.

Regardless if there is one CSK, or a team, or the CSK is comprised of a small foreign faction, you'd think they'd be shaking in their boots, as the articles indicate a DNA match.

Do you think police are using the technology in the article you linked?

What does your comment about multiple personalities and IPs mean? Are you saying you think the killer is online, posting under different handles? That would make them a successful serial killer, but a failure at online manipulation.

BBW, is that your description or what you're ISO?

 

[Frankie1972]

So was there a car or not?

I did not see a car

 

[hillsgirl]

The girl at Karakatta was attacked by one person as far as can be reasonably ascertained. There is a DNA link between that offence and the murder of Ms Glennon. Whether there is more than one person involved is unknown but the DNA clearly links one person. If you were that person you should be concerned! It's possible, likely even, that this person is dead or has left Perth. A basic understanding of criminology suggests it is highly unlikely he just stopped killing. Maybe changed MO but not likely. He could be in jail. The DNA link could have come from a relative (son, cousin) of the offender. It could be for instance that the CSK has a son (who is now an adult) who has committed an offence and left DNA. The identity of the relative might not be known; left DNA at a burglary, DNA entered into database and familial match with CSK and Karakatta found. When police find the offender for the burglary they can find their man. Also possible of course that CSK has a son but did not know he had a son. In any case DNA does not lie and it is just a matter of time. If he is still alive, he should be concerned. It is hard to believe CSK is posting on forums, even though plenty of people claim to know things. Just attention seeking in my view. If a post is deliberately cryptic, it probably lacks substance.

 

[Perth gal]

I did not see a car

So who saw the car then? There were three of you ? How many saw the car then?

 

[Frankie1972]

So who saw the car then? There were three of you ? How many saw the car then?

One of my friend said he saw a car

 

[Perth gal]

Thanks.

 

[Power Raid]

I find it strange that so much has been made of nothing. I don't see how this is any closer to closing this case.