News Clarkson news, media etc - he’s off into the Sunset!

[Strapping Young Lad]

Full Presser at the link below.

 

[hawkman]

no one quoted, just "sources"

regurgitating same old opinion pieces, dressing it up as news.

They need to hit the weekly quota for articles and clicks

I think that opinion is closer to the mark though. We don't want to sack him because of the payout and because he is a Hawthorn legend. But if he could leave earlier there would be some that wouldn't disappointed to see him go

 

[deanc]

no one quoted, just "sources"

regurgitating same old opinion pieces, dressing it up as news.

They need to hit the weekly quota for articles and clicks

Yep, and at the risk of repeating myself, 95% of AFL media these days is just content purely for content's sake - and I 'm a little surprised with how many people still get sucked into this - sadly this also includes a few friends who also think there really is a Nigerian Billionaire trying to share his wealth via email..?

 

[theiaofseed]

So which is it, players happy Clarkson is gone or players so upset they played shithouse on the weekend?

 

[Rhayader]

“As one insider noted, as talented as Clarkson is at breaking trends, 2022 risks being a gap year in the same mould as Essendon was in 2020.

And that‘s a comparison that would make all Hawks fans shiver.”

Yeah this will really ruin our chances of winning the 2022 flag …

I mean, was it a “gap year” for Essendon? Or just a year of development? Had they not bottled it against us, they’d be in the 8 right now.

That story could be legit, it’s plausible, but I’ll be waiting for some actual names/details before I take it seriously.

 

[Alsmypal]

I think that opinion is closer to the mark though. We don't want to sack him because of the payout and because he is a Hawthorn legend. But if he could leave earlier there would be some that wouldn't disappointed to see him go

Without a solid source it doesn’t hold much weight however if it is the case it is extremely disrespectful to a loyal legend of the club. I said the club handled this poorly and stand by it.
I can’t get my head around the logic of being in a poor position on the ladder, a new base, new coach, soon new president, Tasmania looking to start its own team, financial impacts of covid and the soft cap in a new untried AFL coach. Fresh start is an understatement and I would have liked some stability.

 

[Mercy Seat]

no one quoted, just "sources"

regurgitating same old opinion pieces, dressing it up as news.

They need to hit the weekly quota for articles and clicks

To be fair, let's wait for the club to come out vehemently to deny it.

Supporters complain all the time about anonymous "sources", but that's the only way people from clubland would talk. Otherwise all news would be sanitised press releases and social media posts. There literally wouldn't be such thing as news.

We saw Caro get pillored by Saints supporters for reporting on what Saints people were saying about Ross and Membry, and low and behold, the Saints came out and basically confirmed it by giving the weakest support of their players imaginable, followed by basically admitting it.

If no one from Hawthorn comes out vigorously defending Clarko, you'd say Tom / Caro is on the money.

 

[MrPremiership]

To be fair, let's wait for the club to come out vehemently to deny it.

Supporters complain all the time about anonymous "sources", but that's the only way people from clubland would talk. Otherwise all news would be sanitised press releases and social media posts. There literally wouldn't be such thing as news.

We saw Caro get pillored by Saints supporters for reporting on what Saints people were saying about Ross and Membry, and low and behold, the Saints came out and basically confirmed it by giving the weakest support of their players imaginable, followed by basically admitting it.

If no one from Hawthorn comes out vigorously defending Clarko, you'd say Tom / Caro is on the money.

Well, that's not how a club should be run. You don't come out and deny every terrible article.

Non-denial doesn't mean its true.

 

[deanc]

To be fair, let's wait for the club to come out vehemently to deny it.

Supporters complain all the time about anonymous "sources", but that's the only way people from clubland would talk. Otherwise all news would be sanitised press releases and social media posts. There literally wouldn't be such thing as news.

We saw Caro get pillored by Saints supporters for reporting on what Saints people were saying about Ross and Membry, and low and behold, the Saints came out and basically confirmed it by giving the weakest support of their players imaginable, followed by basically admitting it.

If no one from Hawthorn comes out vigorously defending Clarko, you'd say Tom / Caro is on the money.

At this risk of protracting a debate, clubs are under no obligation to confirm or deny anything that anyone in the media claim - which is why our club is despised by some media identities as we generally simply refuse to play that game.

Look, if you ran into Caro/Barrett or similar AFL media bufoons on the street and asked them about a specific story a month ago, they would struggle to recall the topic - such is the constant cycle and turnover of alleged 'news' that is presented to us...

 

[MrPremiership]

At this risk of protracting a debate, clubs are under no obligation to confirm or deny anything that anyone in the media claim - which is why our club is despised by some media identities as we generally simply refuse to play that game.

Look, if you ran into Caro/Barrett or similar AFL media bufoons on the street and asked them about a specific story a month ago, they would struggle to recall the topic - such is the constant cycle and turnover of alleged 'news' that is presented to us...

The media would have hated that all these decisions were made weeks ago and no one knew a thing until they were called in for the briefing just before the announcement.

 

[Mercy Seat]

Well, that's not how a club should be run. You don't come out and deny every terrible article.

Non-denial doesn't mean its true.

I think if they are citing "sources" at the club, it's fair to elicit a response.

I don't want to send the thread down a wrong direction, but I know a lot of journalists (non sport), and rightly or wrongly, the entire profession relies on anonymous sources. Accountability relies on it.

Plenty of people who work at clubs and at board level feed info to journos. This has happened for years and usually serves an agenda.

Tom would have sources at Hawthorn, like Caro, and if he's making it up, then he won't last long in the industry.

 

[MrPremiership]

I think if they are citing "sources" at the club, it's fair to elicit a response.

I don't want to send the thread down a wrong direction, but I know a lot of journalists (non sport), and rightly or wrongly, the entire profession relies on anonymous sources. Accountability relies on it.

Plenty of people who work at clubs and at board level feed info to journos. This has happened for years and usually serves an agenda.

Tom would have sources at Hawthorn, like Caro, and if he's making it up, then he won't last long in the industry.

and none of those sources told Tom for a week that the Board had made a call to not renew Clarko? Yet are now leaking to him about wanting him moved on earlier?

Of course some media have sources, but in this case, this is just a hot pile of steaming gossip, dressed up as some news to hit a quota of clicks.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Personally I don't disagree with the core tenant of the article, that being that it would be in everyone's (the clubs, Clarkos, senior players, etc) best interest for Clarko to get another gig before 2022.

I also think there is definetly some truth behind how the club struggled with Clarkos style in the hub last year, the performances we put out in 2021 were so far off the baseline something was going fundamentally wrong.

These coaching transitions just don't work, everyone knows it it's been proven time and again it's only due to $$$ that it is even being considered.

 

[Carl Spackler]

and none of those sources told Tom for a week that the Board had made a call to not renew Clarko? Yet are now leaking to him about wanting him moved on earlier?

Of course some media have sources, but in this case, this is just a hot pile of steaming gossip, dressed up as some news to hit a quota of clicks.

It leaked here before it leaked to the media.

 

[deanc]

I think if they are citing "sources" at the club, it's fair to elicit a response.

I don't want to send the thread down a wrong direction, but I know a lot of journalists (non sport), and rightly or wrongly, the entire profession relies on anonymous sources. Accountability relies on it.

Plenty of people who work at clubs and at board level feed info to journos. This has happened for years and usually serves an agenda.

Tom would have sources at Hawthorn, like Caro, and if he's making it up, then he won't last long in the industry.

Response not required! Having intimate knowledge of the policy and protocols that ALL HFC's employee's must abide to in relation to media liaison (excludes Board members) I can assure you it's extremely unlikely that Tom/Caro etc. would have any so-called 'inside' information.

The claim that they do is quite simply a strategy (and a very old one that Scotty Palmer perfected 30 years ago) in baiting clubs for a response, which some clubs still fall into, but with rare exception, we don't...

 

[Carl Spackler]

These coaching transitions just don't work, everyone knows it it's been proven time and again it's only due to $$$ that it is even being considered.

Two year succession:

Melbourne appoint Simon Goodwin as Paul Roos' successor

Simon Goodwin has joined Melbourne’s coaching staff, a move that marks him out as Paul Roos’ successor

www.theguardian.com

Two year succession:

Roos annoints Longmire his successor

Premiership coach says his senior man is well equipped to take over when he eventually moves on

www.afl.com.au

 

[MrPremiership]

It leaked here before it leaked to the media.

And still it never leaked to the media!

 

[Carl Spackler]

And it is two different questions being rolled into one in this discussion. The first question is "was the succession smooth?" and the second question was "was the new coach successful?". People are acting as if that is one question, not two. Both of the examples above have yes/yes answers, mostly. An example of a yes/no is Parkin to Brittain while an example of a no/yes was Malthouse to Buckley. A clear no/no is Worsfold to Rutten.

Will the transition to Mitchell be successful? I think the odds are greatly in favour of a 'yes' based on everyone involved. Will Mitchell be a successful coach? I sure hope so but there's a lot of water to pass under that bridge before we know.

 

[Pessimistic]

A fair. Assumption that Mitchell coached hawks won’t achieve what Clarko did. But will he achieve more than Clarko would have?

 

[Carl Spackler]

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The Magpies have made contact with several possible candidates in recent weeks although it is understood interviews have not begun.

Collingwood is also open to giving a sacked coach a second chance and Voss, Don Pyke (Adelaide 2016-19), Mark Williams (1999-2010) and Ross Lyon (Fremantle 2012-19) all fit that criteria.

I'm happy that we're giving Mitchell a go ahead of all that crew.

 

[TylerDurden]

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I'm happy that we're giving Mitchell a go ahead of all that crew.

Correct weight. Not much of a field is it??

 

[Mercy Seat]

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Birdofprey]

I dont know what's true and what is not.

We going to get a million articles until Clarko finishes (whenever that is), telling us what is really going on and what the truth is behind the scenes. All these journos trying to rattle the cage and incite some form of a reaction, because a reasonably successful transition at Hawthorn is so goddamn boring and frustrating to them. That's the last thing they want.

They make reference to "club insiders" and "sources" at the club. So what.

What do club insiders say? Well, they say a lot of things. There are always people at a footy club who are unhappy with the coach, including players. And all types of institutions often contain disaffected board members who are not happy with something or someone.

I personally hope that Clarkson stays until the end of 2022, and plays the kids (as he did on the weekend). We had a glimpse of the type of side he is building against the Giants a couple of weeks ago, and while its got a long way to go, there is something exciting brewing. I don't think it will hurt Mitchell to have another full year of coaching where the pressure is not as intense as it will be when he is head coach in the AFL coaches box. In fact, I think it will benefit him. Everyone is talking about him as if he is proven. There is another bloke in the hawthorn box who has already coached the Box Hill side and won best coach (VFL) in his first year, and then won the premiership in his second year. So as promising as Mitch has been (e.g, Schofield's recent strong endorsement), I am happy for him to do his time and take over in 18 months. If he is smart (which I think he is), he will keep an eye on recruiting, and then use this time to learn as much as he can and experiment a little at Box Hill.

Go Hawks.

 

[Simon Crawshay]

Two year succession:

Melbourne appoint Simon Goodwin as Paul Roos' successor

Simon Goodwin has joined Melbourne’s coaching staff, a move that marks him out as Paul Roos’ successor

www.theguardian.com

Two year succession:

Roos annoints Longmire his successor

Premiership coach says his senior man is well equipped to take over when he eventually moves on

www.afl.com.au

The obvious difference between those scenarios and this one is that Roos wanted to leave and was an active participant in the process.

The Clarko / Mitchell scenario is more akin to Malthouse / Buckley in which a successful senior coach (with a strong personality) is being forced to make room for a former club champion.

I am actually quite bullish on Mitchell's potential as a coach but I just can't see an alpha personality like Clarko swallowing his pride for a whole year.

 

[Alsmypal]

Roos: Hawks' succession plan a 'panic' decision

"He's an unproven coach. It's a brave move and one that I certainly wouldn't have done."

www.zerohanger.com