News Clarkson news, media etc - he’s off into the Sunset!

[Strapping Young Lad]

Full Presser at the link below.

 

[CHUBBSS]

1.8 million reasons...

IF and big IF… that is factual, it’s a long departure away from when he first came to the club and took a haircut to bring onboard the assistants he wanted.

Maybe that’s why Bolton is their, get him on the cheap because we can’t afford anyone good?

 

[Judd2Sewell]

we need one of our resident ‘Jeff has Uber crafty methods’ to explain it for us.

in the end we are losing the best current coach who has rebuilt the team twice already, for an untried person whom the club actually sacked as captain once

(And don’t think I don’t like Sammy either)

‘because he hasn’t rebuilt in record time like 2005-2008? There’s reasons for that. But it’s a simple comparison which all the copy and opinions in the world don’t seem to outweigh

It's not just that we haven't rebuilt as quickly as previously - it's that we have plunged to new depths under his watch. We are a big chance of copping the spoon for the first time in 60 years. Even Scwabb avoided the spoon.

And this is at a time where he had originally had us pencilled in to challenge again, as per the "two by '22" or whatever it was. Clarko wanted to keep topping up with the aim of having us challenging (by now). People have moved on because they disagreed with this idea, but he's the coach and had earned the right to have the final say. But that also means the blame is laid at his feet too.

Now we are looking down the barrel of a long rebuild.

Based on our solid drafting from 2015, and with the obvious benefit of hindsight, Clarko's plan to push again was an unmitigated disaster. We should have moved to rebuild properly years ago.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

The upcoming retention/potential jettisoning of assistant coaches will be instructive as to who's calling the shots imo.
If Mitchell is seen as the likely senior coach as soon as 2022 he'll get his own hand-picked crew to support him

No doubt.

Personally I'd love to see Buckley be brought in as an assistant. If only to have him and Mitchell teach our players how to actually kick.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

1.8 million reasons...

He's on 50% more (p/y) than is reported? Or that's part of a clause to break contract and pay him out?

 

[fieval]

Someone flagged that additional contract term last week. Was it you TylerDurden.

Doesn't this imply that Clarko was always finishing up as coach at the end of next year?
That would be my read.
I am not sure how else you can interpret it.

Wasn't it mentioned by the original poster who broke this story early? (Linda.... something ...)
I believe they had said Clarko had an additional 2 year clause if his coaching ended in 2022.

Seems the poster has good intel !

 

[Milkshaker]

I reckon this is largely speculation little different than what we do ourselves in this forum. But this tidbit was new to me and interesting.



That sure looks to me like the club (and Clarkson) were already thinking about a post-coaching executive role. Running the football department, a Fagan switcheroo so to speak, but I don't know if we need to switch up what we currently have. CEO isn't needed either. Those are the obvious options. I wonder what sort of innovation they are crafting up.

Someone with an intimate knowledge of overseas sports management got any ideas? He has visited some of the best big name sporting clubs over the years.

 

[Judd2Sewell]

Someone with an intimate knowledge of overseas sports management got any ideas? He has visited some of the best big name sporting clubs over the years.

"General Manager," and "Director of Football," are two that are most commonly used in NBA, NFL and EPL, etc.

 

[TylerDurden]

He's on 50% more (p/y) than is reported? Or that's part of a clause to break contract and pay him out?

There's an extra 2 years bolted on to the contract.

 

[Sleutheren]

"General Manager," and "Director of Football," are two that are most commonly used in NBA, NFL and EPL, etc.

President of Basketball Football Operations Brad Stevens Alastair Clarkson

 

[Pessimistic]

Past performance is no guarantee of future success.

but is more often than not

 

[deanc]

The media, if they're putting out information that can't be verified for the sake of making a story should be sanctioned.
If the jounrno can't provide a source to the club that has provided the information then he should be sanctioned in some way. If the source is not willing to be held to account then he shouldn't provide the information.
Would soon put an end to the crap that's peddled by these click bait hungry media muppets.

Generally the media industry by it's very nature protects all it's reporters and journalists and/or their sources ruthlessly. Unless there is a legal enquiry related to a story (defamation etc.) journo's are never required to publicly verify their narratives or divulge their sources/s.

In balance I would shocked if at least one of our board members didn't want to see the back of Clarko given our recent performances and the fact we may collect some kitchenware this season for the first time since 1965! - but 'deliberate leaks' regarding this, is highly unlikely.

Perhaps little Tommy has 3rd hand information from an overheard conversation from one of our board members who may have flippantly said; 'Although Alistair is contracted through 2022 if decides to leave earlier that's fine with me.' Add some spin and mayo and the headline becomes:
'Senior Hawthorn figures want Clarkson gone at seasons end!'...

 

[Pessimistic]

Jeff goes bang. Love it.

So the "sources" who are now telling Tom Morris we want Clarko out immediately then didn't tell him about the succession plan for a week? He had no idea that decision was made a week before announcement, but we're supposed to believe they are now reaching out to Tom to air grievances and destabilize the club? I just don't buy it. This is opinion dressed up as fact hiding behind "sources"

sometimes the media is disgruntled there were stories going on but no one told them. Precious is a really good term for them they really do believe their opinions are supreme

 

[Pessimistic]

It's not just that we haven't rebuilt as quickly as previously - it's that we have plunged to new depths under his watch. We are a big chance of copping the spoon for the first time in 60 years. Even Scwabb avoided the spoon.

And this is at a time where he had originally had us pencilled in to challenge again, as per the "two by '22" or whatever it was. Clarko wanted to keep topping up with the aim of having us challenging (by now). People have moved on because they disagreed with this idea, but he's the coach and had earned the right to have the final say. But that also means the blame is laid at his feet too.

Now we are looking down the barrel of a long rebuild.

Based on our solid drafting from 2015, and with the obvious benefit of hindsight, Clarko's plan to push again was an unmitigated disaster. We should have moved to rebuild properly years ago.

you seem very clear, I’d like to hear things to support your assertions. Seems he is a victim of his own success. Clarko rebuilt the team and the club more than any individual, although he did it by assembling a crack team.

will you hold mitchell to the standards? The current list is better depth wise than the 2004 one, but we don’t know if a mitchell, hodge, brown top echelon will emerge

btw I think it would be unfair to hold mitchell to those standards.

Btw there was no ‘topping up’ at the end of 2015 runs against the narrative and Clarko started rebuilding the team particularly the midfield in 2016, moving on hale, lake, mitchell, Lewis hodge etc
But instead of taking on purely draftees (which would have made the team completely uncompetitive btw) he/they took on mid age players who were being overlooked at their clubs, as well as the best draftees our poor draft hand permitted

Given the now apparent impatience from the board, had the club gone for the hard rebuild then, clearly Clarko would have left long ago.

For mine we are now looking at no clarko, but still with a board with significant drawbacks

but how do we judge the board? Dingley may give us a clue, still looking like a money pit. It has too many shades of 1993 for me. I really really hope I’m proven wrong

 

[Pessimistic]

No doubt.

Personally I'd love to see Buckley be brought in as an assistant. If only to have him and Mitchell teach our players how to actually kick.

cant mitchell do it alone? ‘Head of development’

 

[The hands of stone]

It's not just that we haven't rebuilt as quickly as previously - it's that we have plunged to new depths under his watch. We are a big chance of copping the spoon for the first time in 60 years. Even Scwabb avoided the spoon.

And this is at a time where he had originally had us pencilled in to challenge again, as per the "two by '22" or whatever it was. Clarko wanted to keep topping up with the aim of having us challenging (by now). People have moved on because they disagreed with this idea, but he's the coach and had earned the right to have the final say. But that also means the blame is laid at his feet too.

Now we are looking down the barrel of a long rebuild.

Based on our solid drafting from 2015, and with the obvious benefit of hindsight, Clarko's plan to push again was an unmitigated disaster. We should have moved to rebuild properly years ago.

It might not be a long rebuild, noone really knows .
Good draft this year with improvement next season and another good draft in 2022.

Gap isnt huge to move from bottom 4 to knocking on the door of the 8.
I wouldnt be suprised at all if we are decent side in 2023 and on the rise.

 

[Pessimistic]

2001 2008 2015 were high points, it seems to be our ‘re-tooling’ cycle. Is it just that this cycle has suffered badly for the ‘over achieving’ of the 2015 cycle?

in 2008 just 4 players - Crawford, bateman, osborne, Williams remained from the 2001 list, but hodge brown mitchell ladson came in in 2001 draft. Aonly Crawford there in 2001 minus 7 equaling 1994
In 2015 7 players - rough hodge Lewis mitchell Birchall Rioli suckling remain from 2008 list: 4 who had been there in 2001-2002
Now in 2022 possibly just McEvoy Shiels bruest Gunston will remain. But O’Brien sicily already on the list. None from 2008

Wow now I’ve listed that there’s some surprises

 

[HairyO]

Hear your concerns but respectfully try this out (applies to some other posters too); don't read, watch or listen to ANY AFL related media for a week - I can guarantee you'll be pleasantly surprised 'what you haven't missed out on' after your sabbatical

Assumes you do not consider knowing Buddy took out the bins or that Brooke Cotchin just had blue tints put in her hair as 'football news'...

And when BT, Darce, and Daisy are commentating turn the sound down.

Football is so much more enjoyable.

 

[deanc]

Depiction of HFC's recent board meeting discussing a proposed coaching succession plan for Clarkson/Mitchell:




The media's recent portrayal of same:

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

At least all this shit is happening while we are bottom 2, and not still in the hunt for finals.

 

[The Spirit of Cricket]

man i dont check this thread for like 2 days and suddenly there's 10 ****ing pages to catch up on

 

[kazzooka]

Jeff goes bang. Love it.

So the "sources" who are now telling Tom Morris we want Clarko out immediately then didn't tell him about the succession plan for a week? He had no idea that decision was made a week before announcement, but we're supposed to believe they are now reaching out to Tom to air grievances and destabilize the club? I just don't buy it. This is opinion dressed up as fact hiding behind "sources"

That's not too unbelievable. Tom Morris knows nothing about succession plan so is just focusing on other things. The news breaks and he's going through the garbage and peeping through the window of every Hawthorn board member looking for a scoop.

 

[Toasted]

You doubting what’s in his contract? There’s a clause for 23/24, take it to the bank.

Clarkson contract twist amid Hawks coaching conjecture

Hawthorn struck an agreement in their contract with Alastair Clarkson well before the succession plan became a reality that allows for him to be retained at the Hawks beyond 2022.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Tassie Cryptik]

but is more often than not

Is more not than often.
Times move.

 

[The hands of stone]

Clarkson contract twist amid Hawks coaching conjecture

Hawthorn struck an agreement in their contract with Alastair Clarkson well before the succession plan became a reality that allows for him to be retained at the Hawks beyond 2022.

www.theage.com.au

Do the papers ever use a pic of Clarko where it doesn't look like he is about to bash the cr@p out of something ?

 

[dermott]

Kudos to Linda CRS who seems to be the most credible poster on “the succession plan.”