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edgie said:
I guess if people aren't happy with the supply of something then they should keep demanding it anyway.

It's not like a group of people changing lifestyles and making choices at the bottom that becomes a larger group and bigger movement has ever affected change higher up.

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You realise that's what people are doing right? And yet they're still frustrated and angry because the changes at the top aren't being made fast enough. Which was the point to begin with and how the discussion started..


I posted an article about how young people are depressed the planets ****ed.
- old mate says it's their own fault because they use the air con

They can be as off grid/zero carbon footprint as they want, it's still depressing knowing the generations before them have ****ed the planet.
 
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sobrave said:
You realise that's what people are doing right? And yet they're still frustrated and angry because the changes at the top aren't being made fast enough. Which was the point to begin with and how the discussion started..
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They're not doing where it matters most. With their money. Changes at the top aren't happening fast because not many people are forcing the hand of capitalism.

The point is, as all of you overlook, you can do things to help change as an individual. You can better choices. You can show others the way. When enough people see that, then change will happen very quick.

But I can't blame people when particularly with electric cars, the economy of scale is showing to be a big lie. Tesla is third best selling car but any reduction of course to make these more achievable for the working class, is happening very very slowly. Being green is for the most part, still a luxury of the well to do.

Unless you wanna get op shop clothes and used phones. You should see the denim shirt I got at Vinnie's.


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China permitted more coal power plants last year than any time in the last seven years, according to a new report released this week. It's the equivalent of about two new coal power plants per week. The report by energy data organizations Global Energy Monitor and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air finds the country quadrupled the amount of new coal power approvals in 2022 compared to 2021.

That's despite the fact that much of the world is getting off coal, says Flora Champenois, coal research analyst at Global Energy Monitor and one of the co-authors of the report.

"Everybody else is moving away from coal and China seems to be stepping on the gas," she says. "We saw that China has six times as much plants starting construction as the rest of the world combined."




Imagine being so hyper-focussed on the Boomers that you feel have stolen your future while this is going on. Last time I checked, the climate wasn't localised within Australia's borders. But yeah, just don't vote for the Libs and the rest will sort itself out.
 

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OneGreatClub said:
With the return of El Nino, after three consecutive years of La Nina, we are set for an extreme year.

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If you look at the Bureau of Meteorology's website and look at their climate model reports, you get the following:

Since November 2009, there have been 48 mentions of El Nino in the title of their monthly reports, 41 mentions of neutral conditions in the title of their monthly reports and 78 mentions of La Nina in the title of their monthly reports.

So let's understand this - 119/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to either excessive rainfall or neutral conditions for the Australian climate (71.26%).

But if you want to break it down even further:

78/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to wet conditions (46.7%).

41/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to neutral conditions (24.55%).

48/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to drought conditions (28.74%).

Even if you do a search for the word 'positive' (relating to Positive IOD, which is the driver of El Nino), it is only mention 10 times, whereas 'negative' (relating to Negative IOD) is mentioned 36 times - over three times the amount.

So you are literally almost as likely to see a La Nina event in Australia over the past 14 years as you are to see El Nino or neutral conditions combined. But that doesn't sell the climate change narrative, does it? Because no one gives a **** when it rains more.

This is why when their models push this 'warming' narrative, you should take it with a massive grain of salt.
 
Janus said:
If you look at the Bureau of Meteorology's website and look at their climate model reports, you get the following:

Since November 2009, there have been 48 mentions of El Nino in the title of their monthly reports, 41 mentions of neutral conditions in the title of their monthly reports and 78 mentions of La Nina in the title of their monthly reports.

So let's understand this - 119/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to either excessive rainfall or neutral conditions for the Australian climate (71.26%).

But if you want to break it down even further:

78/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to wet conditions (46.7%).

41/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to neutral conditions (24.55%).

48/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to drought conditions (28.74%).

Even if you do a search for the word 'positive' (relating to Positive IOD, which is the driver of El Nino), it is only mention 10 times, whereas 'negative' (relating to Negative IOD) is mentioned 36 times - over three times the amount.

So you are literally almost as likely to see a La Nina event in Australia over the past 14 years as you are to see El Nino or neutral conditions combined. But that doesn't sell the climate change narrative, does it? Because no one gives a * when it rains more.

This is why when their models push this 'warming' narrative, you should take it with a massive grain of salt.
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Oh shut the **** up.
 
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Just stating facts, bub. I don't write their monthly climate reports.
 
Janus said:
If you look at the Bureau of Meteorology's website and look at their climate model reports, you get the following:

Since November 2009, there have been 48 mentions of El Nino in the title of their monthly reports, 41 mentions of neutral conditions in the title of their monthly reports and 78 mentions of La Nina in the title of their monthly reports.

So let's understand this - 119/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to either excessive rainfall or neutral conditions for the Australian climate (71.26%).

But if you want to break it down even further:

78/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to wet conditions (46.7%).

41/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to neutral conditions (24.55%).

48/167 of their reports since 2009 relate to drought conditions (28.74%).

Even if you do a search for the word 'positive' (relating to Positive IOD, which is the driver of El Nino), it is only mention 10 times, whereas 'negative' (relating to Negative IOD) is mentioned 36 times - over three times the amount.

So you are literally almost as likely to see a La Nina event in Australia over the past 14 years as you are to see El Nino or neutral conditions combined. But that doesn't sell the climate change narrative, does it? Because no one gives a * when it rains more.

This is why when their models push this 'warming' narrative, you should take it with a massive grain of salt.
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"relating to Positive IOD, which is the driver of El Nino"

Really, where did this info come from ? I haven't heard that before.

"This is why when their models push this 'warming' narrative, you should take it with a massive grain of salt"

Yes that's right they do overhype climate change when they get the chance, there's lots of clickbait on weather news, there's some legit news and then there's as many overhyped news articles. you have to have a reasonable amount of knowledge about the subject to know what's BS and what's not with the climate and weather.
 
metic said:
"relating to Positive IOD, which is the driver of El Nino"

Really, where did this info come from ? I haven't heard that before.

"This is why when their models push this 'warming' narrative, you should take it with a massive grain of salt"

Yes that's right they do overhype climate change when they get the chance, there's lots of clickbait on weather news, there's some legit news and then there's as many overhyped news articles. you have to have a reasonable amount of knowledge about the subject to know what's BS and what's not with the climate and weather.
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Perhaps I shouldn’t of said it’s a driver of El Niño, because that relates to the Pacific Ocean. But it is a contributing factor to what most understand the conditions of El Niño to be.

“A positive IOD is associated with droughts in Southeast Asia, and Australia. Extreme positive-IOD events are expected.

A 2009 study by Ummenhofer et al. at the University of New South Wales (UNSW) Climate Change Research Centre has demonstrated a significant correlation between the IOD and drought in the southern half of Australia, in particular the south-east. Every major southern drought since 1889 has coincided with positive-neutral IOD fluctuations including the 1895–1902, 1937–1945 and the 1995–2009 droughts.

The research shows that when the IOD is in its negative phase, with cool western Indian Ocean water and warm water off northwest Australia (Timor Sea), winds are generated that pick up moisture from the ocean and then sweep down towards southern Australia to deliver higher rainfall. In the IOD-positive phase, the pattern of ocean temperatures is reversed, weakening the winds and reducing the amount of moisture picked up and transported across Australia. The consequence is that rainfall in the south-east is well below average during periods of a positive IOD.

The study also shows that the IOD has a much more significant effect on the rainfall patterns in south-east Australia than the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) in the Pacific Ocean as already shown in several recent studies.”

On its relation to El Niño:

“A 2018 study by Hameed et al. at the University of Aizu simulated the impact of a positive IOD event on Pacific surface wind and SST variations. They show that IOD-induced surface wind anomalies can produce El Nino-like SST anomalies, with the IOD's impact on SST being the strongest in the far-eastern Pacific. They further demonstrated that IOD-ENSO interaction is a key for the generation of Super El Ninos.”
 
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I always wanted to be a driver of an El Nino.

Oh wait, it was El Camino.

Sorry icecaps.

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FFS Holden

Typical of them to have a good idea, invest and develop it, it works, then just forget about it. Thanks GM overlords.

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The long gone, but not forgotten, Electric VE Commodore

Holden made an electric Commodore. But they thought that if a plug-in hybrid can't sell, a pure electric won't sell. And that was it, the test ended.
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Swappable batteries! They had swappable batteries figured out a decade ago in a fricken Commodore!
 
edgie said:
FFS Holden

Typical of them to have a good idea, invest and develop it, it works, then just forget about it. Thanks GM overlords.

thedriven.io

The long gone, but not forgotten, Electric VE Commodore

Holden made an electric Commodore. But they thought that if a plug-in hybrid can't sell, a pure electric won't sell. And that was it, the test ended.
thedriven.io thedriven.io

Swappable batteries! They had swappable batteries figured out a decade ago in a fricken Commodore!
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They also had a production Commodore that took E85 fuel.
That's like 80% less emissions than petrol. ( based on the growing of the fuel crop absorbing all the CO2 that's released during combustion ).
 
SaintsSeptember said:
They also had a production Commodore that took E85 fuel.
That's like 80% less emissions than petrol. ( based on the growing of the fuel crop absorbing all the CO2 that's released during combustion ).
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Yeah I think the E85 was only available for SS but at least it made it to production

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I am not sure just how the fuel excise is going to be recovered once fossil fuels fall away.
Last I read it was around 48c/L

More precisely how to do it fairly.

To be frank it has to be recovered as part of the tax base.
We dont want EVs travelling on rubble.

I am well aware that the current excise does not all get funnelled into transport, but some of it does.

The problem is that it is difficult know where the electricity to recharge an EV is coming from.
From the solar panels on your roof? No $ charge possible?
From parking station? $ charge possible I guess.

Is some sort of road tax possible based on km travelled? Technology mandated to vehicles to do this?

Build it into yearly taxation? I had a look at kilometers travelled at resale on about 75 vehicles - partitioned to estimate km/yr travelled on tradie and commuter vehicles.
Tradie vehicles: 24,000km/ year (median)
Commuter vehicles: 16,000km/year (median)

Maybe its possible to set a levee on these values at tax time such that it compensates for the fuel excise. Travel more than these values and the levee is more. Travel less and you get a refund. Of course that would rely on govt garnering more info on personal travel AS WELL as honesty in reporting yearly kilometers travelled.
Dunno.
 
Lawnchair Larry said:
I am not sure just how the fuel excise is going to be recovered once fossil fuels fall away.
Last I read it was around 48c/L

More precisely how to do it fairly.

To be frank it has to be recovered as part of the tax base.
We dont want EVs travelling on rubble.

I am well aware that the current excise does not all get funnelled into transport, but some of it does.

The problem is that it is difficult know where the electricity to recharge an EV is coming from.
From the solar panels on your roof? No $ charge possible?
From parking station? $ charge possible I guess.

Is some sort of road tax possible based on km travelled? Technology mandated to vehicles to do this?

Build it into yearly taxation? I had a look at kilometers travelled at resale on about 75 vehicles - partitioned to estimate km/yr travelled on tradie and commuter vehicles.
Tradie vehicles: 24,000km/ year (median)
Commuter vehicles: 16,000km/year (median)

Maybe its possible to set a levee on these values at tax time such that it compensates for the fuel excise. Travel more than these values and the levee is more. Travel less and you get a refund. Of course that would rely on govt garnering more info on personal travel AS WELL as honesty in reporting yearly kilometers travelled.
Dunno.
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Australia has always taxed Diesel at a higher rate , reflecting the additional load that heavy vehicles put on roads, driving up costs for building and repair.
That's why Diesel passenger vehicles never got as popular here as they did in Europe.
 

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