Opinion Climate change

[bomberclifford]

If you're born into that society, do we really expect teenagers to go nah, I'll stick with second hand op shop clothes and a re-furbed Nokia.

Why not? That's how things change. Making a stand.

Our kids all have old refurbed phones and we've explained the reason why.
If no one is willing to change their own personal circumstances to make an impact, no matter how small, then nothing will ever change.

Society has to change. It's been a big step even just turfing the libs and their climate denial policies.

How does society change without those within it changing?

 

[Del165198]

It's not. It's directly related. It's also not just the teenager but they're the ones with most to lose.

the original article was about teenagers feeling depressed about climate change.

old mates comment was basically they're part of the problem because they use the air con and want cheap consumer goods.

i know plenty of young folk who have gone the whole hippy lifestyle, don't have cars, buy recycled goods, dont use plastic etc etc. that doesn't stop them feeling depressed or anxious about the impending catastrophe of stupid humans cooking the planet. being born into a society that's valued consumerism and material items as a proxy for happiness makes it a pretty tough path to go down, especially for kids.

teenagers and the youf don't exactly have bagloads of disposable income. if they need something, they don't really have a choice of buying the expensive item that will last 10 years, instead of the cheap junk that lasts 2.

i don't see too many teenagers buying $120k dodge rams and towing $100k 3t caravans around australia.

it's pointing the finger in the wrong place for the state we're in. gen z aren't gonna be voting for the ****s that put us in this mess.

 

[Del165198]

No Australian Gen Z is going to change the way China and India go about their ways so it is pointless making them feel responsible and if the alarmist messaging is tanking their mental health then that needs to change.


Its about perspective anyway, would rather be the first world kid with the weight of the world on their shoulders than the kid mining cobalt in the Congo used to manufacture the electric car batteries.

funny how right wingers are all of a sudden concerned about child labour and mining conditions when it relates to electric cars, as if the same thing doesn't happen with other types of mining in developing countries.

the messaging isn't "alarmist" - it's reality. i mean you've got shit like news.com.au catastrophising everything, but they do that for literally everything. it's just the news MO.

are the IPCC alarmist? no they're just stating what the global scientific consensus is. which is that we're utterly ****ing things, and still not going quick enough to minimise the damage.

 

[Del165198]

Why not? That's how things change. Making a stand.

Our kids all have old refurbed phones and we've explained the reason why.
If no one is willing to change their own personal circumstances to make an impact, no matter how small, then nothing will ever change.



How does society change without those within it changing?

they are. but if knuckle dragging boomers who still control the majority of the wealth and most of the political will in the country are against it, then it's not going to until they're gone.

i can grow my own vegies instead of driving to the shop. that's great, doesn't stop me feeling depressed when a new coal mine is approved.

 

[backtozero]

funny how right wingers are all of a sudden concerned about child labour and mining conditions when it relates to electric cars, as if the same thing doesn't happen with other types of mining in developing countries.

the messaging isn't "alarmist" - it's reality. i mean you've got s**t like news.com.au catastrophising everything, but they do that for literally everything. it's just the news MO.

are the IPCC alarmist? no they're just stating what the global scientific consensus is. which is that we're utterly ******* things, and still not going quick enough to minimise the damage.

Everything has a positive and a negative consequence. You can say we can all start driving electric cars tomorrow and our worries will be over but it's not realistic.

 

[Del165198]

It is though. Its a job for all of us.

You can do a lot at 16 - particularly as your brain is a sponge at that age.

great, so they become protestors, join the stop adani convoy, only buy recycled goods, etc etc.

they get rewarded by being ostracised by society, chucked in jail for protesting, and the mine goes ahead anyway.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Overseas holidays and business trips are a massive source of CO2.

Climate summits should have been a way to showcase the latest state of the art conference calling , rather than just another business junket.
They are working on Hydrogen aircraft, but it adds a lot of weight to the aircraft.
In a low emission world we don't get to go to Bali on holidays.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Everything has a positive and a negative consequence. You can say we can all start driving electric cars tomorrow and our worries will be over but it's not realistic.

I always think that the first step is to sort out the power grid.

 

[Del165198]

Everything has a positive and a negative consequence. You can say we can all start driving electric cars tomorrow and our worries will be over but it's not realistic.

i know it's not realistic for that to happen. realistically the transition should have started decades ago. even if we somehow flipped a switch and basically decarbonised the entire planet, we're still in for a world of hurt by 2100.

but it's a scale of how ****ed. the difference between 2 degrees and 3 degrees of warming in 100 years might not sound like much, but its immense.

 

[Del165198]

Overseas holidays and business trips are a massive source of CO2.

Climate summits should have been a way to showcase the latest state of the art conference calling , rather than just another business junket.
They are working on Hydrogen aircraft, but it adds a lot of weight to the aircraft.
In a low emission world we don't get to go to Bali on holidays.

agreed. on the global scale it's a drop in the ocean, but it's about sending a message that there are different ways of doing things.

 

[Papa G]

funny how right wingers are all of a sudden concerned about child labour and mining conditions when it relates to electric cars, as if the same thing doesn't happen with other types of mining in developing countries.

the messaging isn't "alarmist" - it's reality. i mean you've got s**t like news.com.au catastrophising everything, but they do that for literally everything. it's just the news MO.

are the IPCC alarmist? no they're just stating what the global scientific consensus is. which is that we're utterly ******* things, and still not going quick enough to minimise the damage.

Lol. I don't give a flying **** about those things. I'm not a hypocrite like you are though. Screaming from your little anxiety ball whilst pondering where you are putting the Imported Pizza Oven, transported in your 4wd that you looked up online.

I'm going to the LIV Golf tomorrow having a great time watching predominantly Rich white men doing cool but ultimately pointless stuff funded by copious Oil money from a country that where women don't have the same rights as men.... and I'm more than okay with that.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Lol. I don't give a flying * about those things. I'm not a hypocrite like you are though. Screaming from your little anxiety ball whilst pondering where you are putting the Imported Pizza Oven, transported in your 4wd that you looked up online.

I'm going to the LIV Golf tomorrow having a great time watching predominantly Rich white men doing cool but ultimately pointless stuff funded by copious Oil money from a country that where women don't have the same rights as men.... and I'm more than okay with that.

Would've been much quicker to just type "I'm a shit bloke and proud of it".

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

World's largest battery maker announces major breakthrough in energy density

"A new era of universal electrification of sea, land and air transportation." CATL announces new battery that doubles energy intensity.

thedriven.io

"In one of the most significant battery breakthroughs in recent years, the world’s largest battery manufacturer CATL has announced a new “condensed” battery with 500 Wh/kg which it says will go into mass production this year."
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"CATL’s new condensed battery will have almost double the energy intensity of Tesla’s 4680 cells, whose rating of 272-296 Wh/kg are considered very high by current standards."
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"Batteries with 500 Wh/kg will enable electrification of passenger aircraft"

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

If you have a fetish for following just how energy is being supplied to the grid in each state, then this live/ real time widget is for you:

Nem Watch

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It's a bit difficult to grasp straight off, but each state has 2 bars - the bottom bar being demand, and the top bar fractionates how energy is being supplied. You can tap on each bar or its components to find the POWER demand or the POWER supplied.
Tapping the question mark below the bar chart provides you with some definitions.
No doubt the brown coal and black coal contributions- particularly the former- are a worry.

 

[bomberclifford]

i don't see too many teenagers buying $120k dodge rams and towing $100k 3t caravans around australia.

I'm interested to know what age group you think is buying the Dodge Rams. Or Rangers, etc. I don't think it's the Boomers.

Once they're all dead and gone, who gets the blame then?
(Can't be Gen X, there's not enough of us.)

 

[Grave Danger]

If you have a fetish for following just how energy is being supplied to the grid in each state, then this live/ real time widget is for you:

Nem Watch

Visit the post for more.

reneweconomy.com.au

It's a bit difficult to grasp straight off, but each state has 2 bars - the bottom bar being demand, and the top bar fractionates how energy is being supplied. You can tap on each bar or its components to find the POWER demand or the POWER supplied.
Tapping the question mark below the bar chart provides you with some definitions.
No doubt the brown coal and black coal contributions- particularly the former- are a worry.
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Whahappen Snowy Mountain Scheme?

 

[Festerz]

What is it with far right god-loving politicians worldwide and their eagerness to put their pig ignorance on matters of science on public display?

Surely it's not just to appeal to their pig ignorant supporter base? It has to be more than that.

 

[edgie]

Capitalism, consumerism. People want cheap goods. It's a long bow to draw to blame that on a teenager who wants a $1000 mobile phone imo.

If you're born into that society, do we really expect teenagers to go nah, I'll stick with second hand op shop clothes and a re-furbed Nokia.

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But... It isn't.

I literally do that.

Sure, I have a new Xbox and games and on a rare occasion a purchase from the Port shop, and maybe I drive a V8 sometimes (though that balances out from not taking part in wasteful automotive consumerism just replacing combustion vehicle with combustion vehicle) but I have been doing that stuff for a decade.

I understand though how easy it to blame old people and to not be the change you want to see.

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[Del165198]

But... It isn't.

I literally do that.

Sure, I have a new Xbox and games and on a rare occasion a purchase from the Port shop, and maybe I drive a V8 sometimes (though that balances out from not taking part in wasteful automotive consumerism just replacing combustion vehicle with combustion vehicle) but I have been doing that stuff for a decade.

I understand though how easy it to blame old people and to not be the change you want to see.

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Climate change is fixed everyone because edgie went to the secondhand store.

 

[edgie]

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i don't see too many teenagers buying $120k dodge rams and towing $100k 3t caravans around australia.

it's pointing the finger in the wrong place for the state we're in. gen z aren't gonna be voting for the *s that put us in this mess.

No, they buy 76's and kit them out with all the shit and go camping around Australia.

You may live in some socially disadvantaged part of the country, but others don't. We live places where teens and young adults walk in to six figure salary jobs with regularity.

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[edgie]

Climate change is fixed everyone because edgie went to the secondhand store.

Sobrave has his knickers in a knot coming to terms with edgie actually living more sustainably than him lol

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[Del165198]

Sobrave has his knickers in a knot coming to terms with edgie actually living more sustainably than him lol

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As usual you've missed the point entirely. I used to think it was deliberate but maybe you're just stupid.

The problem of climate change isnt fixed solely by personal choices. You wouldn't have a clue about my lifestyle so don't make assumptions. If I walk to work 5 days a week and use a car once a week, thats nice, but it doesn't stop Gautam Adani digging a big ****ing hole in Queensland and stinking up the atmosphere.

That's all I was saying. It's a crock of shit to blame ****ing teenagers for buying a mobile phone, when the previous generations have handed them a shit sandwich. If the blame is apportioned anywhere, it's rightly with boomers as they've had the reigns of power for a long time, and chosen oil/gas $$$ ahead of the future of the planet.

The current generation is the most environmentally aware we've had for a while. Because there are some cashed up young mine bogans in broken Hill doesn't change that. Those boofheads are the minority.

 

[edgie]

And yet, all this concern isn't resulting in individuals making better choices with their lifestyle for the environment.

It's not stupid, some people just don't agree with you absolving ALL individuals and younger people of ALL blame because something something boomers in Canberra. You are completely ignoring the role of the consumer, in, you know, consumerism.

Basically all someone can be expected to do is vote greens (which I did ) then keep on doing whatever they want.

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[Schulzenfest]

And yet, all this concern isn't resulting in individuals making better choices with their lifestyle for the environment.

It's not stupid, some people just don't agree with you absolving ALL individuals and younger people of ALL blame because something something boomers in Canberra. You are completely ignoring the role of the consumer, in, you know, consumerism.

Basically all someone can be expected to do is vote greens (which I did ) then keep on doing whatever they want.

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If you, Edgie, happen to be the Prime Minister of Australia or the CEO of BHP, then no, you can't just keep doing whatever you want, you have the power to make a difference. If, however, you're just some Broken Hill bogan, then yes, go ahead, keep doing whatever you want.

 

[edgie]

I guess if people aren't happy with the supply of something then they should keep demanding it anyway.

It's not like a group of people changing lifestyles and making choices at the bottom that becomes a larger group and bigger movement has ever affected change higher up.

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