The suggestion has more merit than some would give it. Especially when in 3 years when he's still missing goals , his value will be diminished.
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Cloke = Trade Bait.
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None of the above posts alter the fact that it is an absolute disgrace that a man who is paid big dollars to play as a forward cannot be relied upon to kick a goal when twenty metres out, directly in front. What concerns me the most is the fact that it doesn't seem to concern Cloke. He makes light of the fact when questioned and that truly makes me angry. Why don't we see if we can find a key defender who can't stop his opponent from kicking goals but wins plenty of the pill and we'll have a matching pair!
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He can't really be trade bait since we'd be looking for a KP player in return, and no-one's going to trade a good KP player for him.
However; I think the club needs to make a decision with him. If he's going to be used primarily in the Tarrant role that many in here seem to like, he would be well advised to drop 5-8kg (to improve speed/agility) and learn to handball off. When Cloke gets 17 kicks in a game (and only 2 handballs), it's usually a good sign for the opposition.
However; I think the club needs to make a decision with him. If he's going to be used primarily in the Tarrant role that many in here seem to like, he would be well advised to drop 5-8kg (to improve speed/agility) and learn to handball off. When Cloke gets 17 kicks in a game (and only 2 handballs), it's usually a good sign for the opposition.
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I disagree.
Take today for instance - despite 3 goal assists, he still finished up with a DE% of 58, and that's higher than I expected. Plus, when he gets the ball, he usually holds it for 10 seconds, which allows the opposition to set up.
The disappointing thing is that he usually has someone running past whenever he marks it, and he just refuses to give off the handball.
Cloke goes out of his way to kick at times, it's weird. He ignores a guy running past, and wheels around on his left and sees how far he can kick the ball.
Other times he's the guy running past for the handball receive......surely Malthouse would discourage that.....I've seen him go the Ryan Lonie way at times and run past a guy with the ball just outside 50 and get the handball receive and load up.....god knows why.
His passing has improved marginally, but his creativity and decision making has stayed at the same level....pretty poor.
He has plenty of good attibutes, but he'll always be held back by a couple of poor ones, wherever he plays.
Other times he's the guy running past for the handball receive......surely Malthouse would discourage that.....I've seen him go the Ryan Lonie way at times and run past a guy with the ball just outside 50 and get the handball receive and load up.....god knows why.
His passing has improved marginally, but his creativity and decision making has stayed at the same level....pretty poor.
He has plenty of good attibutes, but he'll always be held back by a couple of poor ones, wherever he plays.
Dicky_Knee
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I agree, piss him of with his brother to carltank!!
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dont know what carlton would have that would be of interest though...
i'd throw cloke and our first 2 picks at them for kreuzer (a mad collingwood fan) but they'll probably laugh it off.
I can see by reading some of your posts, you are very passionate about the club. Like most of us here.
*Sigh*....Ok.
I agree with you assement on O'bree in that I think his best is past him. I've said that in my posts as well. However he has be a good servant of the club and I think he does deserve a bit of respect.
As for Cloke, Why would you post "Cloke = Trade Bait" We need him if we are to win a flag. I watched in again today sitting in M18 at the AFL members.
IMHO he needs to do the following.
1. Take less marks forward of centre and more marks within 30-50 Metres of Goals. I know his a great link player etc but he doesn't hurt teams marking the ball on the wing. I don't want my CHF winning the ball 100 metres out from goals.
2. Spend more time kicking for goals. As a forward he is not a reliable shot and his ratio this year is less than 50%. Which is poor accuracy for a key forward.
Eg Cloke. 20 games 21g 24b compared to say K.Tippett 23 games 51g 31b
Both 22 yrs Cloke has played 98 games, Tippett 42.
3. He often leads to the boundary lines and takes 70-90% of his marks within 2-5 meters of the boundary line and it's probably why the majority of his shots are difficult to score.
4. He needs to learn how to time his leads from the square.
5. He needs to learn how to bring the ball to ground when he looses a marking contest. His man often runs off him when the ball hits the ground.
6. Go Pies next week.
Cloke's kick at goal has been terrible, yes, but he also has been getting some great marks and is applying great pressure around the middle of the ground. His tackles are also really effective. Chuck him at CHB, and bring in Dawes next year to take over Travs position up forward. Dawes needs constant game time to improve, like Wood, and Trav is more effective further back. His kicking is beyond a joke now.
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just out of curiosity what sort of respect do you suggest we give him? keep him playing and keep a younger from getting experience? keep him on the list taking up someone else's spot? keep him in the side next week when his last month has been shocking and nothing to suggest that will improve.
we are a football club. we need to do what we have to do to win games/flags first, and worry about sentiment/respect second.
marking 30-50 metroes out is exactly what we DONT want him to do. he'll have a shot, miss, and the ball will just get rebounded again. i much prefer him with the ball 70+ metres out
his ratio is less than 50% and that is considering that they dont count OOF and kicks that didnt make the distance. he'd be sitting at about 35% if you counted all of these.
cloke's kicking for goal is not a new issue. he was crap in 2007 and he's crap in 2009. in 2 years he hasnt been able to improve on this and i'd suggest it's not likely to improve any time soon. i'd like to think he's put a lot of time into it, and if he hasnt then i'd ship him out for that fact alone.
Richardsons from Richmond has never improved either and his kick 800 goals. Playing in a team that has a winning ratio of less than 40% in his career and only 2 finals appearance.
Igloo
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Firstly, to the OP, you will never ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever get Ryan Griffen for Travis Cloke. EVER.
Secondly, i would like us to take him off your hands, throw him in the goal square, and add SOME structure to our forward line.
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Secondly, i would like us to take him off your hands, throw him in the goal square, and add SOME structure to our forward line.
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You want an outside running player to replace our top clearance player? Clever
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well your outside running player has more clearances per game than our so called extractor.. and 2009 has been a poor year by his standards..
Igloo
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2009 has been a horrible year for Griffen. All mental though IMO. Started the year off terribly with his dad dying, and it carried onto the field and his performances. Will be elite soon though, never fear
swamp13
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good call, we have enough of them, we need a tagger though.
If Cloke is going to make a great CHB, why did we not play him on Riewoldt today? And what happens to all the work put into turning Reid into a CHB?
Cloke is a lead up forward a la Chris Tarrant circa 2002-2004. He is not a KF. He doesn't have the ability to take contested marks inside 50 and with the flaws in his kicking action (i.e. he moves the ball from side to side far too much before dropping the ball on his boot) he will always struggle for accuracy.
The calls from posters to play him closer to goal, or inside 50 ignore the fact that he does not have any strengths in those areas of the game.
His strength is running his opponent around with his mobility and providing a target for uncontested marks on the wings as we bring the ball around the boundary. All players should play to their strengths.
If you want a player to take contested marks inside 50, particulary in the centre corridor, and kick goals, Cloke is not that player. Also our style of around the boundary line means we will mostly have players in the forward 50 leading into the pockets.
No f****n way Id trade Cloke to the scum for Kreuzer. Cloke will be a deadset gun in the years to come. Hes only 22 and playing the hardest position on the ground FFS. We know what he can do and to trade that away is so stupid its not funny.
Who will play CHF if we do? Nathan Brown? Wasnt he meant to be a future FB once Presti retires? Dawes? Nope hes our future FF. Reid? Nope hes our future CHB. To mess with a spine of Brown, Reid, Cloke and Dawes is bordering on criminal.
If anything we should have rolled the dice with Cousins this year. How valuable would he have been today? But lets not go there............again.
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- #47
lol you're overrating cloke something ridiculous.
it's funny that one week everyones posting about all these KPP we have and where to put them all.. yet when you suggest trading one of them for an up and coming gun ruckman you get shot down.
if (big IF) there was an option to pick up kreuzer with a deal involving cloke to reunite the brothers, i would jump at that so fast its not funny. you would have to be stupid not to.
seriously, we need to stop overrating our players.
Nardz, this is BF, the home of delusional supporters. Those that speak of realities shall be filed away as 'pessimists' or 'glass half full' sort of people. And avoid opening any PMs. they are usually full of the type of vile invective that has earned our club a notorious reputation at times.
It also has been a cancer at Collingwood for decades.
When Tom Hafey was coach, he tried to address this issue many times, without success. Most notably when he heard officials at 3/4 time in the drawn GF against NM in 1977 telling the players "You liitle beauties, we've got it in the bag!".
It has now become part of Collingwood's DNA. Just addressing the problem in words won't work. You will need to do some genetic engineering!
I agree his kicking is beyond the joke, it has been for a while now. He and Leigh Brown should be under orders NOT to take a shot at goal unless inside the goal square. It is so predictable I'd assume the opposition start setting up for a behind whenever one of these two start lining up a set shot. If they don't they are stupid, everyone and their dog knows they'll miss.
No point trading him though, you wouldn't get anything of value for him. His atrocious kicking is no secret and the same reason you want to trade him is the same reason no one will take him. He wouldn't get Kruezer or even a first round draft pick.
Keep him and play him in defence, CHB or even Full back.
We play a stupid rugby style anyway, it wouldn't matter who we had down there today. Hard to lead when your behind the ball carrier.
No point trading him though, you wouldn't get anything of value for him. His atrocious kicking is no secret and the same reason you want to trade him is the same reason no one will take him. He wouldn't get Kruezer or even a first round draft pick.
Keep him and play him in defence, CHB or even Full back.
We play a stupid rugby style anyway, it wouldn't matter who we had down there today. Hard to lead when your behind the ball carrier.
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Get rid of the dud, I've been calling for this for a while now. He will never be a good, consistent player. NEVER.
