NFL Coaches on the Hot Seat & Hirings

[clogwearer]

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Hot:
Jack Del Rio

Prescient statement is prescient.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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I was going to use "Gone," "Going," "Maybe," but thought I'd keep the theme of the 'hot-seat' with "Hot," "Warm," "Cold" instead.

 

[clogwearer]

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Fair enough. Jack's seat is extremely hot though. Good luck to the guy who jumps into it, especially if the Jags stay in Jacksonville.

edit: unwise to single out Del Rio as the other two coaches you put in the hot seat are officially fired as well.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Not hot anymore. Whoever takes over will get a three year contract, and last all three if he's mediocre. At least last two seasons if he's a disaster.

 

[Dagless]

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Wouldn't you go 'Toasted', 'hot' and 'warm'?

 

[clogwearer]

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Not hot anymore. Whoever takes over will get a three year contract, and last all three if he's mediocre. At least last two seasons if he's a disaster.

Fair enough, and I am apologetic after revisiting your hot seat list.

Jacksonville is a minefield though, if you're not convinced by the "we're not moving the team" call.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Toasted, Hot, Warm, and Cold is probably better.

See new list:

Toasted:
Jack Del Rio
Todd Haley
Tony Sparano

Hot:
Jim Caldwell
Raheem Morris
Steve Spagnuolo
Norv Turner

Warm:
Tom Coughlin
Chan Gailey
Pat Shurmur
Andy Reid

Cold:
Hue Jackson
Lovie Smith
Leslie Frazier
Jason Garrett
Mike Shanahan

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I have a suspicion Elway will trade Tebow to the Jaguars (tebow's home town) if the Jags do stay in Florida, which i think is more likely. Apparently, the Jaguars have a higher attendance rate (despite the blackouts and covered seats) than a lot of other teams. Apparently...haven't see the stats.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Just some rumblings that may justify more 'hot-seaters'....

Apparently....
Bill Cowher wants the Giants job, views it as ideal.
Jeff Fisher has long been considered a top candidate for the Cowboys job.
Gary Kubiak could be replaced by Wade Phillips.
Hue Jackson may not be safe especially when Raiders hire a GM soon.

 

[clogwearer]

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Just some rumblings that may justify more 'hot-seaters'....

Apparently....
Bill Cowher wants the Giants job, views it as ideal.
Jeff Fisher has long been considered a top candidate for the Cowboys job.
Gary Kubiak could be replaced by Wade Phillips.
Hue Jackson may not be safe especially when Raiders hire a GM soon.

My guess is that Hue's safe for one more. You have suffered one of the biggest losses a team can have, and a huge loss for the NFL. I find it hard to imagine your management would get rid of Hue on top of that ... I'd doubt it even if you hadn't lost Mr. Davis.

You're not worse than you were last year. Hue might need to prove himself next year to keep his job but I think he'll be given that chance.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Here's why Hue isn't necessarily safe, copy-pasted from another site i posted this in)....

Firstly, he really needed to go 10-6 and/or make the playoffs and win some.

Doesn’t seem likely appearance-wise, but I have a strong suspicion Hue Jackson is very much on the Hot Seat, given the new GM hire.

If he lost the Chiefs game, for one. But things like the Palmer trade, some dissent in the lockerroom around the Palmer trade onwards (hue getting too big for his boots, ego-boosting “MY vision”, bone-headed play-calling, penalties etc not getting fixed, neglect towards certain Al players with top Raiders brass looking to continue the Davis legacy.)

When the Chiefs were lining up for the game-winning FG the look on Hue’s face was very much self-centered, like an impending death sentence, knowing his job was on the line. And when the Raiders kicked the winning FG is was all self-relief, almost fainting, not fist-pumping.

Remember post-Davis, especially around the Palmer-trade. Hue made it all about himself. About he is going to make the team into “MY vision”, and talking about “my vision” constantly, and basically just got too big, his head in the camera, and his expression always was one of self-superiority, smugness, confidence.

But as the weeks wore on, his demeanor became less self-sure, especially all the post-Palmer dissent and personnel issues, DHB, Boss not getting game-time, Hagan let go, Bruce Campbell put on the shelf when pre-Al’s death he was toeing the line of getting him involved, and after Pryor’s drafting because Al believed in him, Hue has not given Pryor 1st team or 2nd team reps, all about getting Palmer inducted, which is fine, but Pryor has since been neglected and for him to say recently “ive got the book down, i just want a chance to get reps so i can show what i can do” etc. The handling of the McClain situation causing other players to dissent amongst themselves.

When a team on the field shows a propensity to just collapse and mail it in (dolphins/packers), as well as other sideline things like Boyd clowning it up, players off in little groups laughing, or on the field players turning and getting frustrated with other players for blowing their assignments (re: Branch vs McClain) etc, it’s a sign things are not good internally. There’s some fracturing taking place admin-wise and/or players towards coach(es).

Don’t be surprised if a) the GM is an Al-guy b) therefore Hue in the firing line for veering from that, or c) the new GM is autonomous and will pick his own coach to run his own system etc.

Madden in the stands watching like a hawk over Hue’s performance, evaluating.

My hot tip would be Reggie McKenzie, as Wolf and Madden are touting him, and they’re both very much looking to continue the Al legacy, and the Packers and Raiders do share a lot of ‘al ideas’. What the Packers have done (rebuilding thru the draft) coming from the Davis/Wolf philosophy.

Hue would want the Ravens guy Eric DeCosta, making it a Hue-centric regime, guys Hue has worked with placed around him (palmer, thurman, peas, decosta). Which in itself isn’t bad, but can be seen to be an attempt to solidify Hue’s longevity and power inside the organization.

I dont dislike Hue, etc either. But I trust Madden and Wolf far more, their evaluation and ultimate advisement to Trask/Mark.

 

[drd23]

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I hope that your "Warm" list isnt in a particular order because if it is, Raheem Morris should be at the top of it. After all, it was rumoured that he was supposed to be fired a few weeks ago but it couldnt be done because there was no viable candidate to fill in as an interim HC.

Just some rumblings that may justify more 'hot-seaters'....

Apparently....
Bill Cowher wants the Giants job, views it as ideal.
Jeff Fisher has long been considered a top candidate for the Cowboys job.
Gary Kubiak could be replaced by Wade Phillips.
Hue Jackson may not be safe especially when Raiders hire a GM soon.

It was rumoured last year that Cowher would only return to coaching to coach either the Giants, Phins or Chargers.

Interestingly, he has apparently already interviewed for the not yet vacant (officially) position in San Diego. Its seen as being attractive to him as he will be able to bring in his own GM/become his own GM with both AJ Smith and Norv likely to be fired.

Also, hiring Wade Phillips to replace Kubiak would be stupid - they'd just be replacing a mediocre (at least according to Texans fans) HC with one that has been proven to be mediocre at best.

 

[Exe Gesis]

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There's no order to my list, just putting the names in.

Cowher wont go to Miami whilever that mess is going on between Ross and Ireland. Chargers is very possible. But not sure him relocating to the West Coast is appealing. But definitely it's very possible so too a Giants job opening up, but maybe also depends on the current GM situation there. If Smith goes from Chargers, it has to be appealing to Cowher.

Kubiak, yeah it doesn't seem realistic, no good reason why, but it's perhaps one to keep an eye on thru 2012 (kubiak hot seat).

Shurmur is a very interesting hot seat one too. There's been some dissent there recently, where the players looked to the sideline for the playcall but Shurmur had no idea what to call, etc, and didn't even make a call, in the end Seneca Wallace had to just huddle up and call a run play before time expired.

Gruden could be a sexy option for Cleveland. Holmgren and him both come from the same WCO tree (which includes play designs and keeping in tact the very long play names, as other WCO disciples have since tweaked it). Gruden could find the possibility of coaching RGIII appealing.

 

[drd23]

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I wasnt saying that Cowher would go to Miami, just that this time last year it was apparently a desirable destination - along with San Diego and New York Giants.

As for Gruden, the rumour (strangely coming from the SD beat writer) is that he will go to St Louis if San Diego fires AJ Smith as part of a package deal of sorts

 

[Exe Gesis]

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That's also possible, Gruden to St Louis.

It gets a bit tiring tho the yearly "cowher/gruden" will they or wont they rumors. Would make for a huge off-season splash if they both did. There'd be a lot of rosters shaken up and co-ordinator and assistant coaching musical chairs. All that stuff is incredibly addictive to follow during the off-season.

 

[Woodson]

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That's also possible, Gruden to St Louis.

It gets a bit tiring tho the yearly "cowher/gruden" will they or wont they rumors. Would make for a huge off-season splash if they both did. There'd be a lot of rosters shaken up and co-ordinator and assistant coaching musical chairs. All that stuff is incredibly addictive to follow during the off-season.

Chuckie has announced that he's staying with ESPN for another season on MNF.

The lowdown on chuckie's status

 

[usalion]

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As expected, Spags is gone from St Louis

There will be more to go.....

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Raheem Morris AND the entire coaching staff fired.

 

[drd23]

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Caldwell and Polian have been fired

The Bills have fired their DC George Edwards and replaced him with Dave Wannstadt (and it sounds like they will be moving back to a 4-3 D)

 

[drd23]

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The Rams list of candidates apparently includes Jeff Fisher.

The Jags have contacted Falcons OC Mike Mularkey, Jets OC Brian Schottenheimer eek and Panthers OC Rob Chudzinski about interviewing for the vacant HC position

 

[Exe Gesis]

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A couple of good articles...

NFL.com article on the extensive range of job openings thruout all front office, co-ordinator, position and head coaching jobs.

And a Don Banks SI.com article about how super bowl winning head coaches with one team don't have success going to a new team, considering there are about 9 of these guys available in the off-season.

 

[Ochre]

Caldwell and Polian have been fired

Caldwell hasn't been fired yet

 

[drd23]

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Caldwell hasn't been fired yet

There are conflicting reports as to whether he has been or not. NFLN and Rotoworld are saying the entire coaching staff is gone, while ESPN is saying the new VP and GM will decide.

Either way, if he isnt fired once the new GM is hired, then that GM should be fired immediately. Caldwell is a horrible HC who just rode the coat tails of Dungy/Peyton

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Jim Irsay in his press conference (see NFL.com) said the coaching staff (including Caldwell) has not been fired, leaving that till when he hires a new GM for them to decide, which is the job of the GM to decide these things.

 

[Ochre]

Irsay was apparently saying on the radio what kind of coach they would look for if Caldwells fired so Id say it's very unlikely hell stay on

 

[Exe Gesis]

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Yeah, you'd bet your house he'll be gone. Just not right now