Coach Coaching 2022

[Sippa]

Well if you are a defensive coach, I would have liked to see some semblance of a clear 16 man defensive system being implemented on field by the players, and you can look at KPIs such as I50 conceded, scores against, Marks conceded I50.

We were dreadful in the first half of the season with some of those KPIs, and I think the huge scores against which completely wiped our percentage early on was not satisfactory at any level of football.

Hamill also never spoke strategically or philosophically regarding how we wanted to defend as a team.

I may have rose coloured glasses from the Lyon era, but you see someone like Longmuir at Pies with a technically sound defensive minded approach to football, and he gelled with Buckley and made them a formidable team without the ball.

That's my expectation. It worries me a little that we have committed to Boris being a generally untried coach with a great background. I would have preferred someone who has runs on the board and is known within the system as a great defensive coach, backed up by team performance, but it may end up being an astute pick up.

Again .... the assistant doesn’t control the game plan .. they are the messenger of the coaches plan and implement the coaches game plan on his behalf .... ignorant to think they have complete control over that and it’s their fault when a line performs poorly

Not saying he’s a good coach but none of us know if he’s not a good coach

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There was a rumour that he wasn't seeing eye to eye with Ratten.

 

[Diehard Saint]

There was a rumour that he wasn't seeing eye to eye with Ratten.

That’s ok. 10 years is too long to be at one club anyway.

 

[puppy_dog7]

That’s ok. 10 years is too long to be at one club anyway.

Exactly. Can someone at the club please show “the cockroach” Danny Sexton the door? Don’t care if he’s ok I just want the last remnants of the Lyon, Watters, Richo eras gone. He’s been at the club 15 years

 

[Significant]

Again .... the assistant doesn’t control the game plan .. they are the messenger of the coaches plan and implement the coaches game plan on his behalf .... ignorant to think they have complete control over that and it’s their fault when a line performs poorly

Not saying he’s a good coach but none of us know if he’s not a good coach

Are you serious? If a head coach is not delegating these items to his line coaches then he isn't doing his job properly.

Don't get me wrong, the overall strategy would be agreed upon by the entire coaching staff and driven by the head coach, but the head coach needs to be open enough to empower his line coaches (offense and defence) to employ their strategies and implement them.

It's why I believe the process to acquire assistants needs to be really robust. Their philosophy and strategy needs to be thoroughly resolved before coming in and needs to resonate with the existing coaching staff to ensure they are a good fit.

Pyke at the Swans (offense)
Caracella at the Bombers/Tigers (offense)
Teague at Crows (offense)
Longmuir at Pies (defense)

This is the calibre of staff we need to acquire to completely overhaul our side and make us a premiership threat, particularly our team defense which was non existent in the first half of this year.

 

[Dr Spaceman]

Exactly. Can someone at the club please show “the cockroach” Danny Sexton the door? Don’t care if he’s ok I just want the last remnants of the Lyon, Watters, Richo eras gone. He’s been at the club 15 years

 

[bird_man]

Sorry for the intrusion guys. Just wanted your thoughts on Aaron hamill coaching wise? He’s come back to the blues as the backline coach

He's had many times at the club and hasn't really got the results in any of them.

He did seem to get improvement from our backline late in the year though.

 

[George]

Sorry for the intrusion guys. Just wanted your thoughts on Aaron hamill coaching wise? He’s come back to the blues as the backline coach

Builds ripper pools

 

[StCicatriz]

Sorry for the intrusion guys. Just wanted your thoughts on Aaron hamill

Aaron Hamill

Age

47

Ht

184cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.1

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

4.5

4star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.3

5star

No current season stats available

D

11.4

3star

K

7.2

3star

HB

4.2

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.4

3star

coaching wise? He’s come back to the blues as the backline coach

Was our fwd line coach when we struggled to score. Was then made our VFL coach. Then Was made out defencive line coach when we leaked goals.

I think most are happy to see him go tbh.

 

[Sippa]

Don't get me wrong, the overall strategy would be agreed upon by the entire coaching staff and driven by the head coach, but the head coach needs to be open enough to empower his line coaches (offense and defence) to employ their strategies and implement them.
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This point you’ve made is exactly what I’m saying ... they implement the overall strategy so reality none of us have any idea if an assistant is any good or not for all we know the assistant in a poor performing team could be delivering the overall strategy to an absolute tee

 

[Bill Mohr]

This point you’ve made is exactly what I’m saying ... they implement the overall strategy so reality none of us have any idea if an assistant is any good or not for all we know the assistant in a poor performing team could be delivering the overall strategy to an absolute tee

Word would get around though wouldnt it? Good or bad. Like a previous poster said, Hamill has not spoken about any strategy or philosphy regarding forwards or backs. Might be the head coaches job to say that but Hamill has been there for a long time and had opportunities to espouse his theories.

 

[goodie23]

Exactly. Can someone at the club please show “the cockroach” Danny Sexton the door? Don’t care if he’s ok I just want the last remnants of the Lyon, Watters, Richo eras gone. He’s been at the club 15 years

What really hurts is how close we came to having Luke Beveridge in the Director of Coaching role

 

[Bostonian]

Not saying he’s a good coach but none of us know if he’s not a good coach

My man, if someone has been at a club 10 years and you still don't know if they are a good coach I think that probably answers the question.

I feel like this is our loss and your gain on this one.

 

[Sippa]

My man, if someone has been at a club 10 years and you still don't know if they are a good coach I think that probably answers the question.

I feel like this is our loss and your gain on this one.

Staying at a club for 10 years as coach would suggest he is a good one .... no supporter would have any clue if an assistant is any good other than when they hear ‘he’s highly rated ‘

 

[Bostonian]

Staying at a club for 10 years as coach would suggest he is a good one .... no supporter would have any clue if an assistant is any good other than when they hear ‘he’s highly rated ‘

Having had to endure John Barker for a long period I can assure you longevity isn't always related to ability.

The assistant coaching ranks imo contains a lot of grifters who have jobs because of who they know not what they know.

Not saying Hamill is one of those I'm just wary of coaches who are around a long time but don't form much of a reputation around themselves.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Having had to endure John Barker for a long period I can assure you longevity isn't always related to ability.

The assistant coaching ranks imo contains a lot of grifters who have jobs because of who they know not what they know.

Not saying Hamill is one of those I'm just wary of coaches who are around a long time but don't form much of a reputation around themselves.

John Barker was with the Saints a long time ago, when i saw he was out the door at Carlton i was terrified we'd take him back.

 

[Bostonian]

John Barker was with the Saints a long time ago, when i saw he was out the door at Carlton i was terrified we'd take him back.

I would be terrified too.

Guy must have a very expensive camera with a fancy zoom lens to have kept getting work as a coach in the AFL.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I would be terrified too.

Guy must have a very expensive camera with a fancy zoom lens to have kept getting work as a coach in the AFL.

He went from Saints to Melbourne to Hawks to Carlton.
I assume he can talk the talk.

 

[boulders]

Robbo part of the Dogs AFLW off field setup it appears.

 

[George]

Robbo part of the Dogs AFLW off field setup it appears.

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Dog act

 

[True Believer]

Having had to endure John Barker for a long period I can assure you longevity isn't always related to ability.

The assistant coaching ranks imo contains a lot of grifters who have jobs because of who they know not what they know.

Not saying Hamill is one of those I'm just wary of coaches who are around a long time but don't form much of a reputation around themselves.

I believe some were uncomfortable with the amount of influence he appeared to hold within the club, due to the "fanboi" factor.......departure was indicated back in June.......

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

Having had to endure John Barker for a long period I can assure you longevity isn't always related to ability.

The assistant coaching ranks imo contains a lot of grifters who have jobs because of who they know not what they know.

Not saying Hamill is one of those I'm just wary of coaches who are around a long time but don't form much of a reputation around themselves.

Sorry mate, but I think you are replacing 'like for like' with Hamill for Barker. He is hardly bringing across any great IP or success after being part of our setup for the last decade

Don't think I have ever heard a good thing about Hamill's coaching other than he is 'popular'

 

[True Believer]

Having had the good fortune to hear some assistant coaches speak, I formed the impression that they mostly appear to be what I call "industry experts". They have been in a particular industry since leaving school, have a lot of contacts, have a reasonable reputation for performance and are likeable. They know all the in-house jargon, and understand most of the concepts involved and used for most of the planning.

That puts them in the same space as rafts of corporate middle managers. What they lack, and what the role probably requires to enable elite performance, is critical thinking. There is a "group think" orthodoxy that delivers "acceptable" performance, without having the capacity to produce something extraordinary.

 

[George]

Having had the good fortune to hear some assistant coaches speak, I formed the impression that they mostly appear to be what I call "industry experts". They have been in a particular industry since leaving school, have a lot of contacts, have a reasonable reputation for performance and are likeable. They know all the in-house jargon, and understand most of the concepts involved and used for most of the planning.

That puts them in the same space as rafts of corporate middle managers. What they lack, and what the role probably requires to enable elite performance, is critical thinking. There is a "group think" orthodoxy that delivers "acceptable" performance, without having the capacity to produce something extraordinary.

Interesting, Clarkson and Hardwick were both assistants haha

 

[bergholt]

Having had the good fortune to hear some assistant coaches speak, I formed the impression that they mostly appear to be what I call "industry experts". They have been in a particular industry since leaving school, have a lot of contacts, have a reasonable reputation for performance and are likeable. They know all the in-house jargon, and understand most of the concepts involved and used for most of the planning.

That puts them in the same space as rafts of corporate middle managers. What they lack, and what the role probably requires to enable elite performance, is critical thinking. There is a "group think" orthodoxy that delivers "acceptable" performance, without having the capacity to produce something extraordinary.

Yeah you see that in a bunch of different industries - not what you know but who you know, which is lucky for these guys.