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SaintsSeptember said:
Its interesting , Bolton was a highly rated Assistant at a multi-premiership winning club, he failed as a senior coach, but then most do (especially at Carlton), and is now back at the Hawks in a prominent role.

Never played a game of AFL in his life.

We had the old generation coaches , Sheedy , Mathews, superstar players and successful coaches.

But most of the more successful modern day coaches seem to be more renowned for their Coaching than their prior AFL career.
Malthouse, Hardwick, Clarkson, Beveridge. Different skillsets.

We've also seen some failures of teams taking the opposite approach, Voss, Hird.
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I met a lot of those 90s era stars back in the day where I was working, most of them were massive egos and not very pleasant people. I wonder if the stars make bad coaches thing is more a lack of commonality and so it makes it harder to get them to play for them. Bevo is meant to be a really good guy and doesn't put himself up above his players. They believe he's part of the crew not an authoritarian.
 
Its often tough for a star athlete to really articulate what made them a star to other people.

Take Roo.

One of the all time greats. But he was a dream combo of athletic ability and mental toughness. What could he coach into a group of 45 men? Run more? Ignore the pain?

It's why so many of the great coaches come from humble backgrounds. They have had to grow and develop and push themselves harder and further than a lot of the "stars" so they can relate that journey to players of all levels.

The stars will keep being stars but the rookies, the mid level guys, the journeymen... That's where a coach makes his name.
 
L_W_P said:
Its often tough for a star athlete to really articulate what made them a star to other people.

Take Roo.

One of the all time greats. But he was a dream combo of athletic ability and mental toughness. What could he coach into a group of 45 men? Run more? Ignore the pain?

It's why so many of the great coaches come from humble backgrounds. They have had to grow and develop and push themselves harder and further than a lot of the "stars" so they can relate that journey to players of all levels.

The stars will keep being stars but the rookies, the mid level guys, the journeymen... That's where a coach makes his name.
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This is probably the reason that most back pocket players or HBF make top coaches
 

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L_W_P said:
Its often tough for a star athlete to really articulate what made them a star to other people.

Take Roo.

One of the all time greats. But he was a dream combo of athletic ability and mental toughness. What could he coach into a group of 45 men? Run more? Ignore the pain?

It's why so many of the great coaches come from humble backgrounds. They have had to grow and develop and push themselves harder and further than a lot of the "stars" so they can relate that journey to players of all levels.

The stars will keep being stars but the rookies, the mid level guys, the journeymen... That's where a coach makes his name.
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Spot on mate
 
L_W_P said:
Its often tough for a star athlete to really articulate what made them a star to other people.

Take Roo.

One of the all time greats. But he was a dream combo of athletic ability and mental toughness. What could he coach into a group of 45 men? Run more? Ignore the pain?

It's why so many of the great coaches come from humble backgrounds. They have had to grow and develop and push themselves harder and further than a lot of the "stars" so they can relate that journey to players of all levels.

The stars will keep being stars but the rookies, the mid level guys, the journeymen... That's where a coach makes his name.
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I often thought that Steven Milne trying to teach someone to kick goals , would go something like .....
"Just throw it on to part of your boot and it goes through the goals. I really don't know why its not working for you ".
 
Video of him a few years ago.




These are the roles he had at the Giants in his time there:
  • Development & Return to Play
    Nov 2017 - Oct 20181 year
    Sydney, Australia
  • Backline Coach
    Feb 2016 - Oct 20182 years 9 months
    Sydney, Australia
  • Development & Rehab Coach
    Nov 2014 - Oct 20184 years
    Sydney, Australia
  • High Performance (Strength & Conditioning)
    Nov 2011 - Oct 20187 years
 

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XhazzafootyX said:
www.afl.com.au

Former Giants assistant becomes Saints' new fitness boss

St Kilda replaces high-performance manager Matt Hornsby with ex-Giant assistant Nick Walsh
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au
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Gubby is friendly with him

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AFL 2016: Nick Walsh's bizarre trek to Greater Western Sydney Giants coach's box

When Nick Walsh arrived in Australia in 2001 he had visions of being the next Jim Stynes. That dream was never realised but 15 years on he is still in the AFL, albeit in a role he never imagined.
www.theage.com.au www.theage.com.au
 
SaintsSeptember said:
To be honest i'd rather find an assistant that has had an unremarkable AFL career, but has been doing a good job in a coaching role.
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We already have someone who fits that bill don’t we?
 
L_W_P said:
Its often tough for a star athlete to really articulate what made them a star to other people.

Take Roo.

One of the all time greats. But he was a dream combo of athletic ability and mental toughness. What could he coach into a group of 45 men? Run more? Ignore the pain?

It's why so many of the great coaches come from humble backgrounds. They have had to grow and develop and push themselves harder and further than a lot of the "stars" so they can relate that journey to players of all levels.

The stars will keep being stars but the rookies, the mid level guys, the journeymen... That's where a coach makes his name.
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Rugby is littered with these types. One of Australia’s greatest World Cup winning coaches was a teacher by profession. He’s still out there running one of the biggest Unions in world rugby in England.

But Australia also had Alan Jones, can you imagine him coaching Collingwood!
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Its interesting , Bolton was a highly rated Assistant at a multi-premiership winning club, he failed as a senior coach, but then most do (especially at Carlton), and is now back at the Hawks in a prominent role.

Never played a game of AFL in his life.

We had the old generation coaches , Sheedy , Mathews, superstar players and successful coaches.

But most of the more successful modern day coaches seem to be more renowned for their Coaching than their prior AFL career.
Malthouse, Hardwick, Clarkson, Beveridge. Different skillsets.

We've also seen some failures of teams taking the opposite approach, Voss, Hird.
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Sheedy? A "Superstar player"??
 
Really like the sound of Walsh. Coached the GWS backline for three years in some pretty successful seasons, while also doing conditioning stuff over that time. Owns a fitness centre in Sydney.

Last three years working for the AFL Coaches Association in Mental Health. Must be a seriously good communicator. And has obviously worked with lots of top AFL people.

In the times of tight soft caps, a guy that knows the game as well as the fitness side is a great get. Just got a really good feeling about this one. Can't wait to see the coaching appointments.
 

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