Collingwood and Richmond request to play each other twice in 2013

[Hawkk]

Stupid comparison. We lost by 42 points in Round 1 and Collingwood also lost.

Do you really think that Richmond vs Collingwood wouldn't outdraw Hawthorn vs Collingwood 2012 if Richmond and Collingwood were both flying?

I know its ground breaking but Collingwood-Richmond should outdraw Collingwood-Hawthorn given the rivalry, but quite clearly the gap between the crowds wouldnt be as great as some of the Richmond fans believe it would be.

Some Richmond fans believe that any game they play against Collingwood will draw ANZAC type attendances, that's unrealistic.

Believe it or not, but I was pleasantly surprised by the Collingwood V Richmond/Hawthorn comparisons that Ron posted, considering we've only been an MCG club for 12 years.

To have 5 75k+ crowds in 4 years bodes well for the future.

You don't have a rivalry with them and we do. That's already an extra 5-8k on top of your crowd.. and they won't be majority Collingwood fans like at your games.. The crowd figure would favour the home side. If its Richmond home there will be slightly more Richmond supporters. If its Collingwood home there will be more Pies fans.

Subjective, but again as per the Hawthorn/Collingwood games this year. Hawthorn probably should have more split for home games considering 20-25k of the 60k GA seats at the MCG are Hawthorn researve seats.

In both your games this year there have been way more Pies fans. You can barely outdraw as when you are flag favourites and in the 8 most of the year.. We haven't been in all year. Do you really think our attendances would stay the same if we had a Hawthorn like year?

Again subjective.

Without getting into semantics, I was at both games (sitting in the neutral MCC stand) and I think you are very wrong with the round 1 game.

I assume you were at both games as well, with this being the case, thankyou for filling the Hawthorn coeffers.

Hopefully you make it out to comment on our crowd split on Friday

 

[MightyHawks]

Ssssssshhhhhhh, let the baby have it's bottle. Don't let facts get in the way, it's all he has got

He's hoping Shane Tuck can get to 400.

 

[Groupie_]

Collingwood want to play us twice because they know we are coming.. There is a huge rivalry there that will be resurrected. They would gladly drop a game vs Hawthorn for 2 games vs Richmond.

The crowds will be huge if both clubs are flying.

 

[MightyHawks]

They are jealous. We even have more members this year than the year after Hawthorn won their last flag, and they are still cranky that round 1 2009 when as reigning Premiers, they played Geelong at the MCG and their crown numbers were 17,379 fewer than Richmond v Carlton 2 days prior.

Yes Richmond v Carlton has had great attendances when your clubs have been unveiling a West Coast recruit.

I hear Quentin Lynch is on the market for next year... better rush out and sign him up.

I'm sure the second Hawthorn v Geelong match comfortably accounted for the second Carlton v Richmond crowd in 2009.

What other club could increase its membership in 8 of the last 9 years (with a small dip in Hardwick's first year) on the back of no finals?

Take the step on the field next year and the juggernaut will be reborn.

Well you're right it's got to be Richmond... when was the last time any side missed the finals in 9 consecutive years? Was it Richmond again in the 80s & 90s? Fitzroy?

(1) - I just entered the discussion, without even stating my opinion on the topic at hand.
(2) - Weak assumption
(3) - How many times have Richmond beaten Geelong in 30 years? Maybe the lopsidedness of the contest being the leading factor in poor attendance?

This is the earth shattering theory that people are suggesting.

Richmond is young team.
Richmond have good talent.
Richmond working up ladder.
Geelong working down ladder.
Richmond and Geelong matches will be more competitive.
Richmond Vs. Geelong will attract more Richmond support.

So you believe Richmond will be a better team and Geelong a worse team... and you think Geelong should give up their home ground advantage and lose out financially by playing in a low drawing fixture at the MCG just because you can't be bothered heading down to Geelong???

This issue and any similar one will of course attract the now predictable tigerbash from the usual sources but I'm not sure why. Collingwood are simply sniffing the wind and realising that a once huge rival is probably on the way back and are hoping to lock down 2 games which would remain winnable but draw massively if the Richmond return to competitiveness actually happens. Edie wants Richmond back, he thinks we are on the way back and wants to get his share of the loot falling from the Tigertrain. Clever old Eddie.

Collingwood do not miss out on too many good things and smell the sweet scent of mucho mucho dollari in the wind.

So we have a draft and a salary cap designed to even up the competition, but Collingwood should get to play more matches against the perfect opponent (as you see it) - you are picturing Eddie sitting back there "Ah Richmond... 4 points and 80,000 people - twice a year, every year"

 

[MightyHawks]

Collingwood want to play us twice because they know we are coming.. There is a huge rivalry there that will be resurrected. They would gladly drop a game vs Hawthorn for 2 games vs Richmond.

The crowds will be huge if both clubs are flying.

They dropped a game against us twice this year... didn't think they were happy about it, but you do have a strange view of reality

 

[Final Siren]

Richmond agreed to the gate sharing, so clearly they thought it was good at the time. Then instead of sticking to the agreement they decided to screw the Pies over. Didn't even wait till after the second game to inform Collingwood they wouldn't be renewing it next season, they decided to do it right after the season opener so they could keep all of the gate takings.

Scum decision from a pitiful club.

This is what makes it so delicious. We run off with bags full of cash, Collingwood spit the dummy and torpedo our season opener, but we snag it back with Carlton instead and average 80,000 per game. Eventually the Pies come crawling back and want to play us again.

Surely soon all the Vic clubs will be asking for return games against Richmond, eager for a piece of those bulging Tiger gate takings. Then we'll get Collingwood-style fixtures each year where we never leave Victoria and rarely leave the G.

Nice work, Tigers.

 

[Bazzar]

Lol, why are Richmond such a joke?

Not unlike your constant pitiful trolling in every Richmond post.

 

[Groupie_]

Lol at the Hawks fans in this thread. Why should this affect you ? It's about the big boys, reigniting the big rivalry and $$$.

You shouldn't even be commenting.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Not unlike your constant pitiful trolling in every Richmond post.

Like everyone else, I like Richmond, I really do. I just tell it the way it is and some of the more, ahem, "hardline" Tigers fans seem to take offence at it. Don't be upset nobody takes Richmond seriously, thirty years of being the running joke of the competition will do that to you. Once Richmond earn people's respect, people will take them seriously again. Until then though, you will always be seen as a joke.

 

[MightyHawks]

Lol at the Hawks fans in this thread. Why should this affect you ? It's about the big boys, reigniting the big rivalry and $$$.

You shouldn't even be commenting.

True rivalries are things that develop from on field stuff, not manufactured rubbish

I see nothing in the last 5 years where anyone is screaming out for more Collingwood v Richmond matches.

Collingwoods third lowest crowd at the MCG this year was against Richmond - prime time Saturday night and super early season in Round 2 while the early season hopes of Tigers fans are still high

 

[telsor]

Like everyone else, I like Richmond, I really do. I just tell it the way it is and some of the more, ahem, "hardline" Tigers fans seem to take offence at it. Don't be upset nobody takes Richmond seriously, thirty years of being the running joke of the competition will do that to you. Once Richmond earn people's respect, people will take them seriously again. Until then though, you will always be seen as a joke.

*SPLURT* Well, there goes my coffee.

A lot of what you post is (unintentionally) funny, but that it a classic.

If you like the Tigers so much, link to a post you've made about them that is actually positive.


You're a troll who should be restricted to the bay and only get away with what you do because you hide it so badly that nobody takes you seriously.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

*SPLURT* Well, there goes my coffee.

A lot of what you post is (unintentionally) funny, but that it a classic.

If you like the Tigers so much, link to a post you've made about them that is actually positive.


You're a troll who should be restricted to the bay and only get away with what you do because you hide it so badly that nobody takes you seriously.

Is that the only part of my post you disagree with?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Collingwood and Richmond have drawn 80,000 twice in their history... ANZAC Day and KBs 400th

Unbelievable considering Richmond have been based at the MCG since the 1960s

Excluding of course the 113K grand final, 108K prelim, 99,771 semi and the 98K prelim where Hart came off the bench to win the game on one leg. These all form part of the tradition that Hawthorn doesn't share with Collingwood.

 

[Final Siren]

True rivalries are things that develop from on field stuff, not manufactured rubbish

I see nothing in the last 5 years where anyone is screaming out for more Collingwood v Richmond matches.

Collingwoods third lowest crowd at the MCG this year was against Richmond - prime time Saturday night and super early season in Round 2 while the early season hopes of Tigers fans are still high

That's a bit of a stretch. First, you're conveniently ignoring all the low-drawing games that aren't scheduled at the G because they wouldn't fill it (e.g. vs Western Bulldogs).

Second, Collingwood vs Richmond pulling 57,000 on a Saturday night isn't exactly "low." In fact, if you take out the special blockbusters like ANZAC Day, Queen's Birthday, and the season opener, none of which would draw the same crowd for a return game, it's clearly one of Collingwood's higher-drawing games for the year. It's on par with Collingwood vs Geelong (GF replay!), which drew 61,000, for example.

I don't think you can seriously argue that a Collingwood vs Richmond game wouldn't be well-attended.

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Is that the only part of my post that you disagree with?

Waiting? OK, thought so.

 

[MightyHawks]

That's a bit of a stretch. First, you're conveniently ignoring all the low-drawing games that aren't scheduled at the G because they wouldn't fill it (e.g. vs Western Bulldogs).

Second, Collingwood vs Richmond pulling 57,000 on a Saturday night isn't exactly "low." In fact, if you take out the special blockbusters like ANZAC Day, Queen's Birthday, and the season opener, none of which would draw the same crowd for a return game, it's clearly one of Collingwood's higher-drawing games for the year. It's on par with Collingwood vs Geelong (GF replay!), which drew 61,000, for example.

I don't think you can seriously argue that a Collingwood vs Richmond game wouldn't be well-attended.

Are you planning to take out the season opener in future crowd discussions?

The Bulldogs match was a Bulldogs Home game played at their Home Ground.

Pies v Tigers outdrew Pies v Gold Coast and Pies v Fremantle.

Well done!

 

[MightyHawks]

Excluding of course the 113K grand final, 108K prelim, 99,771 semi and the 98K prelim where Hart came off the bench to win the game on one leg. These all form part of the tradition that Hawthorn doesn't share with Collingwood.

Aren't we talking about Home and Away matches here?

I know Eddie thinks he's the big man, but he's not requesting the AFL schedule Collingwood to play Richmond in a final is he?

 

[Final Siren]

Are you planning to take out the season opener in future crowd discussions?

You can't play the season opener twice in the same year, so... yeah.

Which club that Collingwood doesn't already play twice do you think would pull bigger crowds than Richmond?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Aren't we talking about Home and Away matches here?

I know Eddie thinks he's the big man, but he's not requesting the AFL schedule Collingwood to play Richmond in a final is he?

We're talking about the rivalry, which incorporates the history of both h&a matches and finals. It dates back to our first premiership and the origin of the famous "Eat 'em alive!" catch-cry, the three consecutive grand finals against The Machine, the Jack Dyer hatred, the inner-suburban street level animosity of adjacent suburbs etc.

 

[manicmagpie]

Second, Collingwood vs Richmond pulling 57,000 on a Saturday night isn't exactly "low." In fact, if you take out the special blockbusters like ANZAC Day, Queen's Birthday, and the season opener, none of which would draw the same crowd for a return game, it's clearly one of Collingwood's higher-drawing games for the year. .

I don't know what you're on about here. 57K for Collingwood v anyone is low as our home game average has been 60K for the last few years.

The Richmond game this year is ranked 7th out of our 11 home games, 11th out of our 13 MCG games, and 11th out of our 21 games overall.

It's on par with Collingwood vs Geelong (GF replay!), which drew 61,000, for example.

The GF replay was in Round 8 and drew over 75K. The return match against Geelong in Round 16 was played in a downpour that clearly affected the crowd somewhat.

I don't think you can seriously argue that a Collingwood vs Richmond game wouldn't be well-attended.

Yes you can. Over the last 10 seasons, those games have failed to reach 60K on more occasions than they have been over. This is distinctly below par for Collingwood at the MCG.

The matchup retains the potential for big crowds but it doesn't always deliver.

 

[Final Siren]

I don't know what you're on about here. 57K for Collingwood v anyone is low as our home game average has been 60K for the last few years.

The Richmond game this year is ranked 7th out of our 11 home games, 11th out of our 13 MCG games, and 11th out of our 21 games overall.

The GF replay was in Round 8 and drew over 75K. The return match against Geelong in Round 16 was played in a downpour that clearly affected the crowd somewhat.

Yes you can. Over the last 10 seasons, those games have failed to reach 60K on more occasions than they have been over. This is distinctly below par for Collingwood at the MCG.

The matchup retains the potential for big crowds but it doesn't always deliver.

I have the same question for you as MightyHawks, then: of the teams you're not already playing twice, who will give you a bigger crowd in a non-blockbuster return match next year than Richmond?

Obviously your footy club thinks nobody.

 

[Final Siren]

I don't know what you're on about here. 57K for Collingwood v anyone is low as our home game average has been 60K for the last few years.

Also, this stat proves my point. Collingwood has several exclusive "special event" blockbusters, such as ANZAC Day and Queen's Birthday, which draw 80,000+. Of the non-blockbuster games, then, your average must be significantly lower than 60K, making the Richmond game one of your better ones.

 

[MightyHawks]

I have the same question for you as MightyHawks, then: of the teams you're not already playing twice, who will give you a bigger crowd in a non-blockbuster return match next year than Richmond?

Obviously your footy club thinks nobody.

Well this year we played Collingwood and Geelong twice and we were happy with the crowds.

I think that return matches against Carlton or Essendon would draw excellent crowds for us, obviously limited if we play an away match at Etihad against either side

 

[telsor]

Is that the only part of my post you disagree with?

Why would I bother with a point by point dissection of an off topic post by someone so lacking in credibility and overcome by bias as you?

 

[Necromancer Beth]

Why would I bother with a point by point dissection of an off topic post by someone so lacking in credibility and overcome by bias as you?

Interwebz is a serious business.