List Mgmt. Collingwood List Management 2023

[barrackers]

Sydney are the single club able to offer extended deals.

I think Sydney would be highly unlikely to go past the teams ranked 8-11 unless they attract several superstars.

Much more likely is that they get 2-3 good players and instead increase their percentage into the 60’s which is good for the comp.

For the other clubs inducing players has proven tough due to other football and life priorities and this is just extending the expansion signings period from 1 to 2 seasons and providing some mechanism for evening up the comp and making matches more even.

The AFL is rightfully criticised about many things but is there a better way of going about spreading talent across the AFLW because not many are offering criticism while offering better solutions to the problem.

One positive is that the AFL have learnt from their previous mistake and placed a hard cap on the number of players a club can lose via this scheme. The flip side is the expansion was clearly premature from a depth of talent perspective.

In terms of solutions:

Players with existing contracts should be off limit to any pre-signing period.

On this note all clubs should be able to offer longer contracts so that they can build their culture.

The hard cap should also include player tiers, two stars is too much for a mid table team to lose, ditto 5 players for a top team.

Why is Port the only club who can pre-sign an underage player, if this is an option to spread talent why not offer it the other 3 clubs.

The state based drafts seems to be a limiting factor in equally distributing talent, for now I get why we have it while the competition remains part time. It does open up opportunities to top up these four clubs though. Instead of simply re-raiding other clubs the AFL could have allocated 3rd party deals and longer contracts to entice draftees interstate. Similarly this could be made available to state league players.

I’m never a fan of AFL decided compensation as the closed rules makes it open to scepticism, instead clubs should be given extra draft picks over the next two drafts to trade for these players. With this draft having a smaller pool of players future picks as compo would likely be more palpable.

 

[barrackers]

Looks like Molloy is going to Sydney, according to Sarah Black.
What a hypocrite she is, in terms of being loyal to the club, but if she wants out, then don't let the door hit you on the way out.
To me, she usually plays a few good games at the start of the season, then tapers off as the season goes on. It will be interesting to see how she goes in a side that will have alot more dependence on her to perform at a high level consistently.
Hopefully we are well compensated and regenerate with a future young gun.
We get back two real heart and soul players of the team in Bonnici and Davey, which are more than enough to cover Molloy and potentially Chiocci moving on, hopefully Lambert stays .

We need to end the raid and trade period with 3 of Molloy, Lambert, Davey and Bonnici. Retain only two and we either remain mid table or drop back.

There’s always been a gap in talent between us and the top 2-3 teams thanks to our initial list build and the AFL for the early raid rules. We were never allowed to correct our initial list by raiding other clubs and instead were raided. Retain at least 3 of these players and there’s a chance we might be able to close that gap slightly.

You’re right about Molloy and consistency. Like a small forward in mens footy while her best can be match winning she’s often in and out of games.

 

[barrackers]

A bit harder for Essendon and Hawthorn, albeit the hawks had a VFL side very early, but with state based drafts why didn’t Port and Sydney invest heavily in youth development in the years leading up to their entry? If they did invest did they follow the Brisbane model?

We’ve seen how successful Brisbane have achieved this in a non-traditional footy state.

 

[Jen2310]

Sydney can offer 4 year deals and on big money..

So rewarding them for winning zero games and stuff those good teams.

Stuff her if she goes, thought she at least was one of the loyal ones.

Hopefully Lambert stays. I hope she will.

 

[Vicky Park]

I love the AFLW, and I’ve missed the early season start of the last six years - more than I thought I would.

But the potential loss of Molloy, in this way, leaves a bad taste. I’ll hang in there, will go on following our girls, but the AFL is making it hard with the change of timing for the season, and the ‘volatile’ nature of list management.

I saw Stacey Livingstone at the intra-club match last Friday night, and was pleased to see so many fans and kids saying hi to her and asking for selfies. The girls are firmly entrenched as Pies players.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

There is really nothing that can be done except to just wait until the playing field is levelled.
Expansion is always hard.

i love the irony that most middle / bottom tier players leave to play for the club they supported.....yet we are the first club to get stitched up by a player (who is already playing for the club she supported) moving for crazy coin and financial security (if she goes).

Nothing much anyone can do and i don't begrudge players leaving to live out their dream of playing for the club they supported....or in Chloes case....financial stability.
its semi professional and the same rules just can't be applied.

Until it becomes fully professional, state based drafts are done away with (these are the biggest imbalance) and the expansion is sorted......there really isn't much point in tipping in emotionally.
Just enjoy it for what it is.

Wont be until season 10 or 11 that this phase is over....so a few years left!

 

[Couch Coach]

There is really nothing that can be done except to just wait until the playing field is levelled.
Expansion is always hard.

i love the irony that most middle / bottom tier players leave to play for the club they supported.....yet we are the first club to get stitched up by a player (who is already playing for the club she supported) moving for crazy coin and financial security (if she goes).

Nothing much anyone can do and i don't begrudge players leaving to live out their dream of playing for the club they supported....or in Chloes case....financial stability.
its semi professional and the same rules just can't be applied.

Until it becomes fully professional, state based drafts are done away with (these are the biggest imbalance) and the expansion is sorted......there really isn't much point in tipping in emotionally.
Just enjoy it for what it is.

Wont be until season 10 or 11 that this phase is over....so a few years left!

I don't know about you but I need an emotional conection to the club and key players otherwise what's the point? The product on the field is ok but there is a better quality product in AFLM, VFL, Etc. Why would I seetle for a lesser quality product if the emotional element is taken away?

I would rather follow local VFLW with emotion (player loyalty, fans connection, club history, etc.) than AFLW with no emotion.

 

[Jen2310]

I don't know about you but I need an emotional conection to the club and key players otherwise what's the point? The product on the field is ok but there is a better quality product in AFLM, VFL, Etc. Why would I seetle for a lesser quality product if the emotional element is taken away?

I would rather follow local VFLW with emotion (player loyalty, fans connection, club history, etc.) than AFLW with no emotion.

I agree.
Footy to me is about emotion. Whats passion about your club without it.

 

[KinderSmock]

I agree.
Footy to me is about emotion. Whats passion about your club without it.

I feel no connection to the BBL and that's partly due to the lack of emotional connect I have with my team. I connect with Collingwood because I have laughed, cried and felt everything in between. And it's that emotion that keeps me coming back. There would be no Collingwood like it is if we didn't have emotions.

If Chloe leaves, that's a big dent in our AFLW program. It's not great that she'd walk out on a club that supported her through long-term injury, either. I just hope there's more of a reason than money. Although money for women's sport is valid given the under payment they receive.

 

[TradeDraft]

Doesn’t sit right that the AFL has allowed 4 clubs to offer unlimited third party contracts to a set number of players plus a longer AFLW contract than other clubs can offer. This combo basically eliminates any chance a players existing club can offset the third part deal via greater AFLW security.

Makes it impossible for middle rung clubs to climb to the next level and potentially sees those middle rung clubs jumped by clubs receiving greater player payments.

I have no Faith in the AFL doing the Right Thing

 

[TradeDraft]

One positive is that the AFL have learnt from their previous mistake and placed a hard cap on the number of players a club can lose via this scheme. The flip side is the expansion was clearly premature from a depth of talent perspective.

In terms of solutions:

Players with existing contracts should be off limit to any pre-signing period.

On this note all clubs should be able to offer longer contracts so that they can build their culture.

The hard cap should also include player tiers, two stars is too much for a mid table team to lose, ditto 5 players for a top team.

Why is Port the only club who can pre-sign an underage player, if this is an option to spread talent why not offer it the other 3 clubs.

The state based drafts seems to be a limiting factor in equally distributing talent, for now I get why we have it while the competition remains part time. It does open up opportunities to top up these four clubs though. Instead of simply re-raiding other clubs the AFL could have allocated 3rd party deals and longer contracts to entice draftees interstate. Similarly this could be made available to state league players.

I’m never a fan of AFL decided compensation as the closed rules makes it open to scepticism, instead clubs should be given extra draft picks over the next two drafts to trade for these players. With this draft having a smaller pool of players future picks as compo would likely be more palpable.

Just the Current Clubs will get Ravaged

 

[Jen2310]

I feel no connection to the BBL and that's partly due to the lack of emotional connect I have with my team. I connect with Collingwood because I have laughed, cried and felt everything in between. And it's that emotion that keeps me coming back. There would be no Collingwood like it is if we didn't have emotions.

If Chloe leaves, that's a big dent in our AFLW program. It's not great that she'd walk out on a club that supported her through long-term injury, either. I just hope there's more of a reason than money. Although money for women's sport is valid given the under payment they receive.

Yeah, if its about job opportunity or some other reason, the suppose we could accept it eventually. But I'd be still pretty pissed off.
If we lose her, then I hope we are able to get someone of quality..

 

[Robroy22]

I've never understood the administrators inability to grasp what this sort of decision does to the "victim" clubs. Clubs that did the hard yards establishing the game (and have already been raided by North Melbourne in particular) are then raided (gutted) once more for doing a great job and developing their players to become excellent AFLW players.
New clubs have to do their own "growing", encourage their OWN youngsters and of course be given the pick of the draftable juniors coming through for a few seasons. YES, they will get beaten up for a while (2-3 seasons perhaps) but they will all eventually rise if they stick it out. New clubs becoming instantly competitive due to them being given the right to steal other club's best talent runs a mockery of everyone else's work. All the coaches, volunteers and supporters who contributed to these players becoming elite will truly be slapped in the face by decisions such as this.
I truly support all the players, coaches and volunteers who run our great clubs and have plenty of experience in developing young players (both male and females) for many years, what I can't accept is that all our work just gets flushed down the drain when "administrators" go for the quick fix (don't the TV stations like broadcasting games where one side is considerably more advanced than the other??)
Can't upset the TV stations eh AFLW admin? Or the girls won't get the big $$$ they deserve.

OH...OK...we'll just stuff the well organised original clubs (again) so that the new shiny ones can be "competitive" after 1 season.

Can one of you come and tell my grand daughter why her favourite player (Chloe Molloy) is being "predated" in such a way. Or why her captain is being lured away???

I remember the 1973 VFL 10 year rule....this stinks just like the 10 year rule did.

 

[Quicky]

This reminds me of those early years where we lost our best player each off season. It's really not been fair on the foundation teams. We get hamstrung each year. I'm not going to bother with womans footy any more. The administration of the competition is a joke.

 

[TradeDraft]

This reminds me of those early years where we lost our best player each off season. It's really not been fair on the foundation teams. We get hamstrung each year. I'm not going to bother with womans footy any more. The administration of the competition is a joke.

They shit on the Foundation Clubs

 

[KinderSmock]

AFLW is a poor example of sports management. While junior participation soars, the AFLW flounders.

Set a date for the AFLW, have a blockbuster match like in the men's comp (hint: Collingwood is your friend), develop rivalries, promote it in new markets, take it to the Pacific. It's not hard to fix, it just needs to be fixed.

 

[Couch Coach]

Yeah, if its about job opportunity or some other reason, the suppose we could accept it eventually. But I'd be still pretty pissed off.
If we lose her, then I hope we are able to get someone of quality..

Someone of quality in 12 months time.

What did we get for Hope, King, Garner and Duffin?

I don't trust the AFL to hand out compo fairly.

 

[TheVillageIdiot7]

I don't know about you but I need an emotional conection to the club and key players otherwise what's the point? The product on the field is ok but there is a better quality product in AFLM, VFL, Etc. Why would I seetle for a lesser quality product if the emotional element is taken away?

I would rather follow local VFLW with emotion (player loyalty, fans connection, club history, etc.) than AFLW with no emotion.

Exactly my point. I too like to feel invested and i with my kids playing and really enjoying AFLW, it was easy to become invested in it when it was stand alone over summer.
However last season i watched it, but with less interest because of the cross over with AFLM and the like.
So the product is already tainted.

as others have said, foundation clubs are getting stitched up (not just us) and its very difficult to watch the club go back to the well for the third time due to losing players.
So, i'll just remove emotion from it until it settles....

I feel no connection to the BBL and that's partly due to the lack of emotional connect I have with my team.

Same here.
the BBL was fun at the start. But quickly became about which team had the best non-Aus players (who all leave when finals are on).
i.e. WA easily has the best non-Aus team.....hence why they are always at the top.
Its really fallen badly and its because the best players don't play. Very very silly management in the long term.

Someone of quality in 12 months time.

What did we get for Hope, King, Garner and Duffin?

I don't trust the AFL to hand out compo fairly.

Not jus the quality in 12 months....its 2 years minimum before they have the type of impact we expect.
Chloe was out of the box.
But look at Allen...she was a top pick and its taken her a few years in the system.
So the 'compensation' will never suffice.

 

[Hardas]

Molloy was my favourite Pie player.
Just doesn't sit well how easily players move.

 

[Soups]

Hard to see Molloy go, but cash in while you can cause I can’t see how the game survives going down this path!

 

[Lockyer24]

What a shocking league

 

[TradeDraft]

What a shocking league

Joke of a League.

I am keep Losing Interest in AFLW

 

[Bulldogs85]

Shocked that Chloe has left really did think she was a pie through and through

 

[kpsmagpies]

Pretty shocked, with a full list back this year really thought we were a massive chance for a flag and obviously we still are, but this one does hurt a little. Guess if it’s about money you can’t blame them, just sucks


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[DWil6]

Happy not to watch it. I did enjoy it initially but I’m less and less inclined to follow it.
Also a stars supporter but the BBL is a joke competition so I’m not the least bit invested and don’t watch the games at all. So much better stuff on tv.