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I don't play golf but can imagine...
So why hasn't he been stood down? Seems to be a disgraceful comment in relation to females. Clearly he needs to face some form of punishment or his grovelling apology enough to get him off the hook, whilst he casts moral judgement on others eg. JDG
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One standard for journalists - another for footballers - esp Cwood footballers
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Not Heretier!!??
Barrett has genuinely surprised me several times this year. He seems to have some issues with Robbo and now Ralph. He is growing in my estimation if not daily, regularly at least
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Who should be stood down? The writer of the message or the person who errantly put it out there for public consumption?
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He cant stand Robbo. Openly berates and belittles him which is piss funny. Ive always thought Damo was ok. Barracks for North but gives it to them as much as anyone. No real bias with him.
Jon Ralph, for being part of a conversation derogatory to women, his lame excuse was he didn't know the writer of the message....yeah right!!
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The Geoff Walsh review findings could be seen on the Collingwood whiteboard.
It was a cold night in August 2017, and a television news crew got lucky when the board room blinds were opened, revealing the full list of Walsh’s key recommendations.
There was the big call to extend Nathan Buckley’s coaching contract, more investment in the Magpies’ development program, and a desire to improve the team’s foot skills and goal kicking.
But there was also the ticking time bomb Walsh identified in Collingwood’s books.
As much as anything, Walsh said the club must “review and repair” the Total Player Payments’ model after topping up on recruits Daniel Wells and Chris Mayne under former football manager Graeme Allan.
The moves left the club’s salary cap dangerously bloated and reliant on back-ending their stars’ contracts.
It was an iceberg the Collingwood ship would not officially hit for another three years when the club finally sent the lifeboats overboard, shot up the flares and made bold calls to punt Adam Treloar, Jaidyn Stephenson and Tom Phillips against their wishes.
Treloar’s first match against the Pies.
![Treloar and [PLAYERCARD]Jeremy Howe[/PLAYERCARD].](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2F4cfdbe34b97f79a2e6200c79467fc1f2&hash=43ecbfa81fb0bd0fde0e73005a0b2847 "Treloar and [PLAYERCARD]Jeremy Howe[/PLAYERCARD].")
Treloar and Jeremy Howe.
![Treloar and [PLAYERCARD]John Noble[/PLAYERCARD].](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2F2611dfa763c09d163c142e42c9cc1560&hash=cc88b5e1287d3174019aff517797adeb "Treloar and [PLAYERCARD]John Noble[/PLAYERCARD].")
Treloar and John Noble.
Footy analysts lined up to call it the most disastrous trade period in recent memory as the Magpies made a $1.6 million-plus salary dump for some paltry trade returns.
Stephenson and Atu Bosenavulagi were moved on to North Melbourne for picks 26 and 33, but those two selections went with Treloar to the kennel in exchange for 16 and a future-second.
Phillips went for pick 65.
Even worse, Collingwood had to pay about $300,000 of Treloar’s $900,000-a-year salary which had been heavily back-ended as the Dogs had the Magpies over a barrel in last-minute trade talks.
Treloar didn’t want to go to Gold Coast, who also had an interest, while St Kilda had already committed to Adelaide’s Brad Crouch, leaving the Dogs one-out at the trade table with Collingwood.
Then in another blow, Collingwood handed over its first-round pick in the following year’s draft (eventually pick two) to Greater Western Sydney for picks 24 and 30, in one of the most lopsided pick swaps ever struck.
While the Magpies would never have imagined crashing to second-last spot on the ladder the following year, the club was smashed for the 2020 fire sale which sent shockwaves through the club and its fan base.
It ruined relationships, plunged the Magpies into crisis mode, and led to Buckley and former list manager Ned Guy departing the club last season.
This year, Buckley said he was still unable to speak to Treloar about the difficult period despite making several attempts. Treloar never took the call.
The star midfielder, who was lauded for his openness throughout his time in black and white, was completely blindsided and deeply hurt by his forced departure.
Why him? Controversially, the club questioned whether he could cope with his partner, Kim Ravillion, and daughter, Georgie, living in Queensland for her Super Netball career with the Firebirds, while he played footy in Melbourne.
In a way, it brought into question Treloar’s mental health, and history will show his family situation has not been a problem at all for his career at the kennel.
Talk back lines went into meltdown over the Treloar deal, while Buckley defended the club’s right to “have an assessment of that (family situation) given our knowledge of Adam and the experiences we’ve shared since he came to the club”.
But as former president Eddie McGuire said, as harsh and unexpected as the calls seemed at the time, the club always thought the “necessary” salary cap cuts would pay dividends down the track.
And six rounds out from the 2022 finals series, the Collingwood script has seemingly flipped much quicker than anyone would have expected.
Against Adelaide on Saturday, the Magpies will shoot for their eighth-straight win under new coach Craig McRae, while circling several stars in this year’s trade period with some room to move in the overhauled salary cap.
With McRae heading up a new culture and Graham Wright living up to his reputation as one of the smartest back room men in football, it can be argued the same club which dumped Treloar and Stephenson are back in an advantageous position as they strongly consider adding Daniel McStay (Brisbane) as well as GWS Giants’ trio Bobby Hill, Tanner Bruhn, and potentially, Tim Taranto.
![Trade target: [PLAYERCARD]Tim Taranto[/PLAYERCARD]](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2F2748160b38e73a4e461514a5a2e2c0ee&hash=25c9db12d9c555bf60412c868471edfe "Trade target: [PLAYERCARD]Tim Taranto[/PLAYERCARD]")
Trade target: Tim Taranto
![Free agent target: [PLAYERCARD]Daniel McStay[/PLAYERCARD]](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2F5241770e40b60ea60dcab6b004934fa3&hash=04feff8a6150d4cb208e46fdb5329dab "Free agent target: [PLAYERCARD]Daniel McStay[/PLAYERCARD]")
Free agent target: Daniel McStay
Trade target: Bobby Hill
In the meantime, they have used some of the salary cap space to snare Western Bulldogs’ ballwinner Patrick Lipinski and injured tall Nathan Kreuger, and sealed a deal with Gold Coast to ensure they had loaded up on enough points to welcome first-year sensation Nick Daicos.
Meanwhile, the theory goes that Finlay Macrae and Caleb Poulter will be ready to take big steps into the midfield next year as they hit their third season.
Strong-marking forward Oliver Henry looks a star, and has gone past Stephenson, while raging bull McCreery is already the Magpies’ top tackler.
If the 2020 trade period was a thunderstorm, perhaps the first rays of sunshine have since begun to poke through the dark clouds.
But there remains a big watch.
Landing Taranto may depend on whether either Jordan De Goey or Brodie Grundy depart at season’s end, as huge calls loom on their futures.
Taranto for De Goey is like-for-like without any of the behavioural worry, while Collingwood would again have to pick up a big chunk of the tab if Grundy departs, after locking in a whopping $950,000-a-year deal which still has five years to run.
They are big bold moves, but Collingwood has bitten the bullet before.
THE TRADES
- Collingwood traded Jaidyn Stephenson, Atu Bosenavulagi and pick 39 for picks No. 26, 33 and a future fourth-round selection.
- Collingwood traded Adam Treloar and picks No. 26, 33 and 42 for pick 14 and a future second-round selection. The Magpies also paid $300,000 a year of Treloar’s wage.
- Collingwood traded Tom Phillips to Hawthorn for pick No. 65.
- Collingwood traded its future first-round pick (No. 2 in 2021 national draft) for picks No. 24, 30 and a future fourth-round pick.
THE DRAFT RETURNS
2020 National draft
Pick 17 Oliver Henry
Pick 19 Finlay Macrae
Pick 23 (NGA) Reef McInnes
Pick 30 Caleb Poulter
Pick 31 Liam McMahon
Pick 44 Beau McReery
2021 National draft
Pick 4 (F/S) Nick Daicos
Pick 45 Arlo Draper
Pick 49 Cooper Murley
Pick 52 Harvey Harrison
HOW DID THEY GET HERE?
As Walsh noted in the 2017 review, the salary cap cracks had already begun to show as the TPP model buckled under the weight of another wave of recruits.
When Mayne struggled to fire a shot in his first season at Collingwood after signing a $2 million four-year deal, Buckley said “a few things happened in there that weren’t ideal” because ”our director of footy was flipping around”.
Wells, meanwhile, played only 15 games in three years due to injury.
But just as the crossroads loomed from a salary cap perspective, things began to click on-field under Buckley and gun assistant Justin Longmuir as the Magpies surged, a little unexpectedly, into the Grand Final.
Stephenson won the Rising Star award amid an astonishing 38-goal season and Grundy was All-Australian as the Magpies fell one extraordinary Dom Sheed boundary-line goal from a remarkable premiership.
So, with the salary cap now at bursting point, another sliding doors moment appeared.
Brisbane’s Dayne Beams stunned the Lions to request a trade back to Collingwood on about $500,000 a year, in exchange for two first-round picks.
Premiership Bulldog Jordan Roughead arrived as well on a bargain-basement arrangement, and the Magpies loaded up again for a flag, but fell four points short of GWS Giants at a rain-soaked MCG in the 2019 preliminary final.
![[PLAYERCARD]Jaidyn Stephenson[/PLAYERCARD].](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2Fb02ce9a87a6a4cc7323f9275a74e6b23&hash=5f1e308b0ef1e1ff61085a5457b7b11e "[PLAYERCARD]Jaidyn Stephenson[/PLAYERCARD].")
Jaidyn Stephenson.
Ned Guy.
Nathan Buckley.
Still thought to be in the premiership window the following season, Collingwood pulled off an upset win over West Coast in Perth in the elimination final at the end of a long year in the COVID-19 hub, but got pummelled by Geelong by 68 points the following week in the semi-final.
That is when the salary cap alarm Walsh sounded three years earlier finally started blaring down the halls at Olympic Park.
Could Collingwood challenge again under Buckley in 2021? The red lights were flashing.
They thought not, and called emergency meetings about the list.
Some big-name star players were going to cop it in the neck, whether they were contracted or not, in one of football’s most dramatic list culls.
Against their wishes, favourite son Treloar, third-year goal kicker Stephenson and wingman Phillips were shipped off to rival clubs to get Collingwood back under the cap.
The heavily back-ended payments stopped and there was a plan to reposition the books to target new players in 2021 and 2022.
This was not a rebuild, the club said, but a refurb.
With Scott Pendlebury, Steele Sidebottom, Jeremy Howe, Taylor Adams and Darcy Moore at the core, Collingwood wanted to refresh the list around these five key pillars to bounce back into finals mode in a few years, while Pendlebury and Co were still around.
And under McRae, they are back on the verge of September action after only just one season.
BETTER OFF OR NOT?
Collingwood’s decision was to pull the ripcord on the bloated cap, before the club bottomed out.
Stephenson, 23, has struggled to have any impact in his two seasons at the Kangas, and was savaged for his lack of competitiveness and physicality by respected former St Kilda and Fremantle coach Ross Lyon on Sunday.
“He is a non-competitor,” Lyon said on Triple M. “He physically doesn’t compete whether it was at Collingwood or at North Melbourne.
“He causes issues off the field and he is getting overpaid.”
Treloar, 29, has been impressive in his two years at the kennel, bouncing back from a poor 10-possession semi-final against Brisbane Lions to kick three goals in the Grand Final loss to Melbourne last year.
This season, he has moved to half back late in the year, averaging 27 possessions across 16 games. He is a star, Treloar, and Collingwood will help pay his wage for three more years.
Where Collingwood made a big blue was in its messaging. The Magpies were trying to pretend like the club wasn’t under enormous salary cap pressure, perhaps to try and hold on to some trade-time leverage.
Guy said at the conclusion of the trade period: “It is a bit of a beat-up the salary cap issues.” Added Walsh: “That (cap trouble) has been hugely exaggerated.”
Nick Daicos.
Graeme Wright and Nathan Buckley.
Oliver Henry.
But everyone, including rival clubs and footy fans, saw through it. It was all club spin.
Walsh knew it because he was the one who saw the salary cap freight train coming three years earlier when he declared an urgent need for “review and repair” on the TPP model and wrote it up on the wall.
The Magpies had loaded up to win a flag, just fell short in admirable fashion, and then had to make a sharp turn, before the car fell off the cliff edge.
Former president McGuire said Collingwood had been “too good” to players in the past, but that things would change under new footy boss Wright.
Guy did the dirty work in 2020, and left the club last year. He has since taken up a position at the AFL.
McGuire said the 2020 trade period was “untidy”, but would be beneficial in the long run.
“Ned Guy was doing what he was told to do,” McGuire said.
“He was told by the board ‘get it sorted out’ and he and Geoff Walsh got stuck in and did it. It wasn’t pretty in the end, but you know what?
“There’s been plenty of other times when players have walked out of a club.
“I will cop that it’s untidy. Nuance is everything.
“We could’ve gone on with the salary cap. It changed, we pivoted and now we’re looking ahead.”
WHAT THE KEY PLAYERS SAID
Jaidyn Stephenson
“Throughout the year I got told about things I needed to work on and we went through those, but there was never a mention of a trade until the week before (the trade period) when my manager told me.”
Adam Treloar
“I think about it now and it can still really pull the heart strings for me. It took me a long while after the trade period to get over the fact that I wasn’t playing for Collingwood any more. It was a place I loved.”
Tom Phillips
“Chatting to (Nathan) Buckley, we had some pretty good discussions and those conversations were based on the greater good of the club and that’s what we all need to remember.”
Nathan Buckley
“My toughest day in footy....bar none. Managing contracted players who love the environment out of the club is a lose/lose situation in the short term. The decisions aren’t popular but they were necessary. I wish Adam, Jaidyn, Tom and Atu all the best at their new clubs.”
Ned Guy
“We have had a couple of good years but we have been scaling backwards (on the ladder) and we don’t want to bottom out before we start bringing in some good talent to compliment what we have already got.”
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The tipping out of Treloar didn't sit well with me, but I didn't think too much of it from a list perspective.
I admit that the trading of Stephenson seemed more problematic. I didn't care much for Stevo as a bloke, as far as I could tell anything about him, but my sense was that he'd mature and improve and give us something we needed.
Unhappily for Stevo, happy for me, I was very wrong. His decline has been resounding.
I admit that the trading of Stephenson seemed more problematic. I didn't care much for Stevo as a bloke, as far as I could tell anything about him, but my sense was that he'd mature and improve and give us something we needed.
Unhappily for Stevo, happy for me, I was very wrong. His decline has been resounding.
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No individual is bigger than than this great club. We did what we had to do and now we are reaping the benefits of those decisions.
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Bits I saw had words blanked out.
But something about how his mate had to bang his way up the ladder I believe.
Private WhatsApp chat that got posted along with something else he was meaning to post instead into a twitter message I believe.
our media team are off their chops
Good grief that's crap
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Typical Media making something out of Nothing
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Floreat Pica, Bitch!
We are pigeons. We are legion.
Nah that sucks.
Nah that sucks.
Pretty balanced article and something the club could of communicated better at the time. Think they were playing down the cap issues to maximise their trade return.
Who wrote it out of interest?
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I’m concerned that the pigeons are mixing with crows.
I hope this is not true.
Time for the Magpies to swoop.
I hope this is not true.
Time for the Magpies to swoop.
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This is so flagrantly awful, I think I love it.
Someone formulated the horrendous idea, from some rank corner of their mind, but more impressive is the temerity to carry it out.
Marvellous.
