Collingwood, Port Adelaide and Essendon are the best 3 teams in the AFL

[Geronimo]

iv GOT a national perspective, its what lets me look back on the suburban competition that was the VFL.

Nice to see evolution in progress, I'm pleased for you.

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

To be honest no other club come close Port Adelaide not so much as in the present because they struggled in 2005 but still they are the best 3 clubs in the league when it comes to history, future and team list.

That's really funny. Now tell us the one about Goldilocks and the Three Bears.

 

[Johnson#26]

Port 1 AFL flag
Melb. 0 AFL flags
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Melb. multiple VFL flags
Port 0 VFL flags

VFL/AFL Premierships:
Melbourne: 12 (I think)
Port Adelaide: 1

Three best are Essendon, Carlton, Collingwood!!!

And we know who is #1 on Win %

Ah yes, we do.

 

[Johnson#26]

iv GOT a national perspective, its what lets me look back on the suburban competition that was the VFL.

national flags > suburban flags. AFL > VFL in almost every way

VFL Premierships from 1897-1989 are still considered part of clubs overall tallies. SANFL and WAFL are not. Its simple. Collingwood have 14 Premierships. If you wish to break it down, VFL: 13 and AFL: 1. All up - 14.

 

[tess]

The 'big boys'? If victorian football fans think that a VFL flag won in 1917 is somehow worth more than an SANFL flag won in the same year, they're fooling themselves.

OK Ported, can you tell us all how many teams from outside the greater Adelaide area play in the National league that the SAFL calls itself!

Leagues fluctuate. I don't even know why people bother to compare local leagues. When the VFL started getting stronger, it was because they were allowed larger financial growth which also allowed them to recruit players frequently from interstate..

The VFL was ALLOWED larger financial growth.... WTF do you mean by that? Did the WAFL and SAnFL allow the VFL to grow and expand into NSW with the Swans and into Perth with the PRIVATELY owned Eagles and Queensland with the Bears. Did the WAFL or SAnFL pull in a team from the NT and support them financially unto they could stand on their own two feet.NO they did not. These leagues could not sustain such expansion, the VFL with the support of the Victorian Football loving public who could see the greater good of the game going National could and did.

 

[crazy_big_al]

you are going to cop plenty of flack for this thread me thinks

 

[Ported]

OK Ported, can you tell us all how many teams from outside the greater Adelaide area play in the National league that the SAFL calls itself!



The VFL was ALLOWED larger financial growth.... WTF do you mean by that? Did the WAFL and SAnFL allow the VFL to grow and expand into NSW with the Swans and into Perth with the PRIVATELY owned Eagles and Queensland with the Bears. Did the WAFL or SAnFL pull in a team from the NT and support them financially unto they could stand on their own two feet.NO they did not. These leagues could not sustain such expansion, the VFL with the support of the Victorian Football loving public who could see the greater good of the game going National could and did.

I don't think you understood me. I was acknowledging that the VFL, thanks to a larger population, more money and good business began to pull away from other leagues in terms of players and professionalism. Exchange 'were allowed' with 'attained'.

I don't understand the point of your other bit, and how it relates to my bit.

 

[Bentleigh]

Port = no histroy.

3rd rate town league doesn't really count im afraid.

 

[ExpectToWin]

AFL flags are merely a continuation of the former VFL. You joined them, they didn't join you.

When you get this all into perpective, you might see the true value of your NATIONAL competition.

So what you are saying is that we all compete in a Victorian football competition called the Australian Football League.

 

[relapse]

Since when is a club that struggles to get 30k to matches and is struggling to make a profit an AFL powerhouse ???

The whole Port premiership thing and the value of them is identical to someone who tries to argue that the Glasgow Rangers are a better soccer team than Liverpool or Manchester United. At the end of the day it is just Port supporters trying to justify themselves, maybe the realisation that success isnt as easy in the AFL as they tried to argue is beginning to settle in.

Even as a South Australian there is no way I could sensibly argue that the SANFL was ever as good as the VFL/AFL.

I really love how Port supporters try and say that the VFL isnt the AFL yet they argue that even though Port have changed their identity and jumpers and colours that they are the same Port Adelaide that has always been around nice double standards there

 

[Jake the Muss]

Surprise surprise, and from a Collingwood fan.

Better than being a tosser like yourself

 

[Koutou43]

To be honest no other club come close Port Adelaide not so much as in the present because they struggled in 2005 but still they are the best 3 clubs in the league when it comes to history, future and team list.

History
1. Carlton
2. Essendon
3. Collingwood

Future (financially)
1. Adelaide
2. West Coast
3. Collingwood

Team List
1. West Coast
2. St Kilda
3. Sydney

Cant see how Port qualify under any criteria?

 

[Ported]

I suppose Port beating Carlton in 1914 to be champions of australia subsequently devalues Carlton's premiership? Should we only allow them to claim .5 of a premiership?

 

[Ausgard]

Team List
1. West Coast
2. St Kilda
3. Sydney

Sydney Has the third best list ?!?

I would have thought they would have had a list somewhere in the middle ?

 

[ExpectToWin]

Since when is a club that struggles to get 30k to matches and is struggling to make a profit an AFL powerhouse ???

The whole Port premiership thing and the value of them is identical to someone who tries to argue that the Glasgow Rangers are a better soccer team than Liverpool or Manchester United. At the end of the day it is just Port supporters trying to justify themselves, maybe the realisation that success isnt as easy in the AFL as they tried to argue is beginning to settle in.

Even as a South Australian there is no way I could sensibly argue that the SANFL was ever as good as the VFL/AFL.

I really love how Port supporters try and say that the VFL isnt the AFL yet they argue that even though Port have changed their identity and jumpers and colours that they are the same Port Adelaide that has always been around nice double standards there

The "PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB" that competed in the SANFL joined the AFL. We did not change our name and therefore remain the same identity.

As for the argument about how many premierships this team or that team has won goes, people will never agree on.

Personally I subscribe to the theory of counting just AFL premierships. This is the best way to go about it as it cancells out the Vic teams counting VFL/AFL premierships and Port supporters counting SANFL/AFL premierships.

If the victorian clubs choose to count their VFL premierships then Port can count their SANFL premierships because after all the "PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB" that joined the AFL won them.

 

[tigerdan]

The "PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB" that competed in the SANFL joined the AFL. We did not change our name and therefore remain the same identity.

As for the argument about how many premierships this team or that team has won goes, people will never agree on.

Personally I subscribe to the theory of counting just AFL premierships. This is the best way to go about it as it cancells out the Vic teams counting VFL/AFL premierships and Port supporters counting SANFL/AFL premierships.

If the victorian clubs choose to count their VFL premierships then Port can count their SANFL premierships because after all the "PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB" that joined the AFL won them.

Would you agree to allowing Geelong count any premierships they win in the current VFL (ex-VFA)?

I think Geelong are the only club that still fields a team in the VFL without any allied team.

 

[Ported]

Port supporters don't count premierships won after Port joined the AFL.

"In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club joined the Australian Football League, in many ways the crowning achievement of more than 100 years of unrivaled success. It maintained its presence in the SANFL through the formation of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club, who share the records and history from 1870 to 1996."

 

[ExpectToWin]

Would you agree to allowing Geelong count any premierships they win in the current VFL (ex-VFA)?

No.

I think Geelong are the only club that still fields a team in the VFL without any allied team.

Does the Geelong in the VFL still count their VFA premierships?

So if the VFL still exists then how do some victorians argue that the AFL is the same as the VFL because the VFL was just renamed.

I'm sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it to.

 

[HorseHead]

...As for the argument about how many premierships this team or that team has won goes, people will never agree on.

Personally I subscribe to the theory of counting just AFL premierships. This is the best way to go about it as it cancells out the Vic teams counting VFL/AFL premierships and Port supporters counting SANFL/AFL premierships.

If the victorian clubs choose to count their VFL premierships then Port can count their SANFL premierships because after all the "PORT ADELAIDE FOOTBALL CLUB" that joined the AFL won them.

No, no, no. The AFL is a continuation of the VFL (i.e. the same league, different name). Port and the other recent additions joined the VFL (in the case of Sydney, West Coast and Brisbane) and/or AFL (in the case of Adelaide, Fremantle and Port Adelaide). At the end of the day, if you choose to join an existing league, you should really respect the fact that that league contains a lot of history that doesn't involve/pre-dates the entry of your club into that league. That is ultimately what gets up the noses of Victorian football followers. It is not hypocritical to count VFL flags in the AFL simply because they are one and the same league.

I don't believe anybody is denying that Port won 34 SANFL flags prior to entering the AFL and that they were extremely successful in that league. SANFL flags = SANFL flags, nothing more, nothing less. They are not directly comparable to VFL/AFL flags, were not won against other VFL/AFL teams competing in the VFL/AFL. They are not counted in the AFL's history because they are not part of VFL/AFL history. Remember, Port chose to join the AFL; nobody forced them to.

 

[tigerdan]

Does the Geelong in the VFL still count their VFA premierships?

So if the VFL still exists then how do some victorians argue that the AFL is the same as the VFL because the VFL was just renamed.

I'm sorry but you cant have your cake and eat it to.

You do know that the VFA has continued since the year dot but is now called the VFL, don't you?

My point is that if Port can field teams in two competitions and claim both flags, then why can't Geelong field teams in two competitions and claim both.

I am against counting old VFA flags (because at that time clubs fielded teams in only one competition), but new ones in the VFL would surely count just like port's SANFL ones do.

So who's having their cake and eating it too?

 

[The Mighty Port Power]

Port supporters don't count premierships won after Port joined the AFL.

"In 1997 the Port Adelaide Football Club joined the Australian Football League, in many ways the crowning achievement of more than 100 years of unrivaled success. It maintained its presence in the SANFL through the formation of the Port Adelaide Magpies Football Club, who share the records and history from 1870 to 1996."

I didnt follow Port Adelaide in the SANFL. In fact I supported Glenelg. I love Port Power , yet I get sick to death of supporters that keep trying to make me "bath in the glory" of Port magpies in the SANFL. I dont, I dislike, and still dislike the Port Magpies; it seems that on this board we have a fair few Port supporters that are unable to see this view, and to be honest, it annoys the b'jesus out of me.

As far as I am concerned, I support and am a paid up member of the club that was formed and entered the AFL in 1997. And there are alot like me.

 

[Ported]

I don't believe anybody is denying that Port won 34 SANFL flags prior to entering the AFL and that they were extremely successful in that league. SANFL flags = SANFL flags, nothing more, nothing less. They are not directly comparable to VFL/AFL flags, were not won against other VFL/AFL teams competing in the VFL/AFL. They are not counted in the AFL's history because they are not part of VFL/AFL history. Remember, Port chose to join the AFL; nobody forced them to.

A fair assessment, but i don't think that's what most victorians think. Hell, even people in SA. What annoys a lot of people is that Port supporters try to claim a history at all, prior to 1997. "I don't believe anybody is denying that Port won 34 SANFL flags prior to entering the AFL and that they were extremely successful in that league." MANY people deny this, by way of precluding that Port Adelaide in the AFL has nothing to do with the SANFL team pre-1997. Port has won 1 AFL flag, and 34 SANFL flags. Collingwood have won 14 vfl/afl flags. There is a difference between the two clubs, but such classification shouldn't work to lessen or exaggerate either clubs achievements.

 

[Ported]

You do know that the VFA has continued since the year dot but is now called the VFL, don't you?

My point is that if Port can field teams in two competitions and claim both flags, then why can't Geelong field teams in two competitions and claim both.

I am against counting old VFA flags (because at that time clubs fielded teams in only one competition), but new ones in the VFL would surely count just like port's SANFL ones do.

So who's having their cake and eating it too?

Read my post after your last one.

 

[pafc4life]

I suppose Port beating Carlton in 1914 to be champions of australia subsequently devalues Carlton's premiership? Should we only allow them to claim .5 of a premiership?

I think u may have drilled them.

 

[tigerdan]

Read my post after your last one.

No problem.

It's hard to believe that an AFL port supporter would not also be a SANFL port supporter!

Learn something new every day I guess!