List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2022-->

[Anzacday]

Key dates attached so we know what’s going on when.

• Friday 30 September at 9.00am

• AFL Restricted Free Agency and Unrestricted Free Agency Period commences

Monday 03 October at 9.00am

• AFL Trade Period commences – Players & Selections

Friday 07 October at 5.00pm

• Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period.

Monday 10 October

• AFL Draft Nominations open (9am)
• AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends (5pm)

Wednesday 12 October at 7.30pm

• AFL Trade Period closes – players and selections

Thursday 03 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences

Wednesday 09 November at 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes

Friday 11 November at 9.00am

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences

Tuesday 15 November by 5.00pm

• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes
• AFL Trade Period closes – selections only

Monday 21 November by 3.00pm

• AFL Draft Nominations close

Monday 28 November at 7.10pm

• 2022 AFL Draft Round One (Venue TBC)
• Father/Son, Academy & NGA and Players Bidding opens.

Tuesday 29 November

• AFL Trade Period – selections only (5.45pm to 6.30pm)
• 2022 AFL National Draft Round two until completion (7pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period opens (10pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) commences (10pm)
• Rookie Upgrade Period closes (11pm)
• AFL Delisted Player Free Agency Period (3) closes (11pm)

Wednesday 30 November

• AFL Pre-Season Draft (3pm, online)
• AFL Rookie Draft (3.20pm, online)

Thursday 01 December by 4.00pm

• Final AFL Club List Lodgement

 

[SchuPie]

I don’t understand how people can’t see our list is in trouble. The fact pendles was our best player on the weekend, a 34 year old mid, speaks volumes of this.

Count me in as well.

We really need a developing KPP at both ends and our great mids are also almost out the door. Naicos is there but premiership teams have a core of great mids
I think we need to draft another couple this year
- Arlo HH Reef realising their potential would make us great as they provide a range of skill sets — but will they?
Can McCreery push into the centre?

The list needs work and wouldn’t surprise me if we dip before rising again

 

[jonbe54]

McStay in particular at $650k as a 27yo (turning 28 next season) makes me vomit into my mouth a little.

for those that seem somehow bullish about him I wonder if they have checked his record, as it certainly doesn't point to him being worth anything close to that amount of coin as a KPF solution for us for the next 3 or 4 or 5 years or whatever he is looking for.

I sincerely hope we're not just going back to the phase of paying whoever whatever they ask because they're the only players we can bring in at positions of need, because I thought we were done with that now.

OK . . $650K eh?

Do you have the slightest verification for that other than sensationalist media vomit?

 

[partypie]

I’ve never seen 650. I’ve seen reports of everything in between 450 and 600. I’d suggest something in between is most likely. 550k for a big body that can pinch hit in the ruck is fine with me. 0 trade cost has to be factored in. Factor in increases in cap means 550k in 3 years is even less.

It's literally been mooted as such by every football reporter going around, from your CH7 faves to those on Foxtel on a Sunday arvo. Keey your eyes and ears open next time you hear someone talking about Collingwood trade news and you'll inevitably hear it again.

Not sure how anyone could have missed it given how much it's been talked about across the season (and especially the past couple of weeks). Like I said they could either all be on a bad bandwagon and way off the mark, or there is a bit of fire to go along with this smoke.

If it's the latter then I hope we don't end up paying him something in the vicinity of 3 mil over 5 years which is what's been reported fairly consistently.

 

[jonbe54]

That figure has been kicked around for a while now on various media outlets as the figure he is seeking.

They're either all wrong and just hopping on a shaky bandwagon after some initial poor speculation, or there's actually a bit of fire to go along with this smoke.

Most of us prefer to wait for something other that a roomful of blind mice throwing darts at a dartboard.

 

[partypie]

OK . . $650K eh?

Do you have the slightest verification for that other than sensationalist media vomit?

It could be sensationalist media vomit, or it could be close to the mark. Who can be sure either way at the moment, I was just commenting on how McStay coming in for that big money contract they've been tossing around would leave me feeling a bit ill because he's certainly not worth that coin.

Nobody will of course haver verification of what he signs for until he actually does (and maybe not even then), but we have form in this and I approach any of these mooted off-season moves with a degree of skepticism which I hope will be proven wrong in the long run.

 

[sideswipe]

I never inferred that it did, no need to be defensive.

Can someone who isn't part of the Jonbe Ignore Club, inform him as to the meaning of infer?

 

[partypie]

Most of us prefer to wait for something other that a roomful of blind mice throwing darts at a dartboard.

Now are you referring to BF capologists, or the media there? Wasn't sure which way you you were leaning on that one old mate.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Looks like Jack Graham is open to a trade, he would be perfect as an inside mid

Actually don't mind Graham.
Elite endurance, think he leads Tigers for pressure acts. Big body, does have some shoulder issues but surprisingly only 24. I thought he was older.

 

[manicpie]

Can someone who isn't part of the Jonbe Ignore Club, inform him as to the meaning of infer?

You're going to get crickets there

 

[Unknown Identity]

Any chance we can move the Hawks chat to another thread. I'm here for my daily fix of trade gossip.

 

[stormskye]

Any chance we can move the Hawks chat to another thread. I'm here for my daily fix of trade gossip.

Grundy contract bad, mcstay overpaid, we are bringing in crabs. There’s your daily trade fix

 

[Chrispiesssss]

Looks like Jack Graham is open to a trade, he would be perfect as an inside mid

Not surprised. Probably annoyed with Taranto & Hopper coming into the team means even less midfield time for him.

 

[manicpie]

Actually don't mind Graham.
Elite endurance, think he leads Tigers for pressure acts. Big body, does have some shoulder issues but surprisingly only 24. I thought he was older.

One would hope we are enquiring

 

[jonbe54]

It could be sensationalist media vomit, or it could be close to the mark. Who can be sure either way at the moment, I was just commenting on how McStay coming in for that big money contract they've been tossing around would leave me feeling a bit ill because he's certainly not worth that coin.

Nobody will of course haver verification of what he signs for until he actually does (and maybe not even then), but we have form in this and I approach any of these mooted off-season moves with a degree of skepticism which I hope will be proven wrong in the long run.

Common sense says that he can't be worth more than $400k - $450 at an absolute stretch so it's no surprise the media have him at $650K because he wants to come to the pies.

 

[TradeDraft]

Source

Cal Twomey

 

[jonbe54]

Now are you referring to BF capologists, or the media there? Wasn't sure which way you you were leaning on that one old mate.

LOL not going down that particular blind alley save to say I'm everlastingly grateful our list management is handled in house

 

[Jonno94]

Jack Graham

34

Jack Graham

Age

26

Ht

181cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

6.3

5star

CL

1.8

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

5.3

2star

HB

6.5

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

4.2

5star

CL

1.2

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.0

3star

HB

8.0

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

7.0

5star

CL

3.2

5star

wants out of Richmond, Lipinski 2.0?

 

[JuniorB]

Jack Graham wants out of Richmond, Lipinski 2.0?

He'd be a good pickup.
He won't be getting many games with Taranto & Hopper there.

 

[Everybody Panic]

Man the arguing about McStay's contract is ridiculous. They don't know they're just guessing. Every year we see journalist make up stuff and repeat each other as fact.

I'm surprised Graham wants out. I'd say he might go back to SA (from memory) but I wonder if it's a money thing given the big bucks they're likely to be paying Tarranto and Hopper.

 

[partypie]

Common sense says that he can't be worth more than $400k - $450 at an absolute stretch so it's no surprise the media have him at $650K because he wants to come to the pies.

I would strongly agree with that, and maybe only for 3 years as well. Anything more and I start getting a bit restless.

 

[Chrispiesssss]

 

[Anzacday]

It's a Polish name, so it would be pronounced Shibkovski

Gee I hope he plays well if we draft him.
Just sayin'

 

[JuniorB]

Gee I hope he plays well if we draft him.
Just sayin'

Yeah, so easy to mispronounce.

 

[gouki88]

Can someone who isn't part of the Jonbe Ignore Club, inform him as to the meaning of infer?

All 3 of them you mean?

 

[Everybody Panic]

I am also quite confident, that the majority people who are experts in AFL would completely disagree with your statement. Do you think Richmond wins their 3 premierships without Dusty, Riewoldt, Lynch, Cotchin? Would Hawthorn have dominated without Hodge, Mitchell, Roughead, Franklin, Burgoyne, Rioli? Would Geelong be continually contending without Hawkins, Dangerfield, Selwood, Cameron, Tom Stewart?

Name me a premiership/GF side that is so even that it doesn't have multiple AA players over multiple years.

Carlton definitely have the A level talent now in Cripps, Walsh, Curnow, Mckay, Weitering. These guys are still young and yet to hit their peak so I'm pretty sure they will rise over the next few years if they maintain their level. As can be seen from their improvement this year. Their previous sides didn't have AA grade talent, only underperforming high draft picks (e.g. Gibbs, Kreuzer, Murphy etc)

Name a premiership side that didn't have a core group of players who played their role at a high level that will be never stars. This is not basketball, there's 18 players on the field moving at once. The team together wins.

Wanting stars is basically the teenage football manager mantra of wanting a quick high. Many of the premiers over the past 12 years have won in the season or seasons following trading out one of their best stars.