List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[sr36]

Who did we get mate?

Poulter and MacMahon.

Some try to attribute McCreery to it as well, but that's a stretch for a couple of reasons.

We used a future 4th that we also got in the trade to move about 4 spaces up which was what we drafted McCreery with. Fair chance he would have gotten to our pick anyway. Plus that pick that we traded up was the wash up of points from matching the bid on Reef. And part of the GWS deal was that they had to bid on Reef. Without the future first trade, Reef would have gotten a later bid and we would have had a higher pick for McCreery anyway.

 

[Fat Jesus]

Poulter and MacMahon.

Some try to attribute McCreery to it as well, but that's a stretch for a couple of reasons.

We used a future 4th that we also got in the trade to move about 4 spaces up which was what we drafted McCreery with. Fair chance he would have gotten to our pick anyway. Plus that pick that we traded up was the wash up of points from matching the bid on Reef. And part of the GWS deal was that they had to bid on Reef. Without the future first trade, Reef would have gotten a later bid and we would have had a higher pick for McCreery anyway.

Somehow as I remember we had to give up pick 2 to accumulate points.
No option

 

[Fat Jesus]

If we kept pick 2, Nick gets nominated by another club. No option to get anybody else.
Again I'm no expert on drafting

 

[Apex36]

Dunno mate as I'm no expert. We needed points and we ended up with Draper and Harrison.
If Nick was nominated straight away it wouldn't have been possible.
Someone like Scodog10 can school me on what actually happened.
we had to do it. Give up pick 2

We didn’t have to give up pick 2 12 months early. All it gained us was Reef, who we could have got anyway by that point, 2 delisted players in Poulter and McMahon, and Beau, who we could have likely picked up anyway too, in addition to some, but not a very significant amount of points for the next draft.

If we’d held on to our first for 12 months we could have either:
a) picked Callaghan or
b) traded pick 2 to the highest bidder and likely have gotten a future first and some late picks to cover any points deficit we may have had.

In hindsight it was a poor play. Nobody was expecting us to do so poorly the next year though, so at the time it made some sense. No point in grinding our teeth over it though at this point.

 

[sr36]

Somehow as I remember we had to give up pick 2 to accumulate points.
No option

Nah. We traded out a heap of points from the Nick draft.

After a bit of ontrading, we got pick 30, 31 (in the super speculative covid draft) and 2 future third rounders for it.

It was the reverse of the big footy dream trade of packaging up a fair few things worth very little and getting something good. We sold something good for 4 things worth very little.

 

[Fat Jesus]

We didn’t have to give up pick 2 12 months early. All it gained us was Reef, who we could have got anyway by that point, 2 delisted players in Poulter and McMahon, and Beau, who we could have likely picked up anyway too, in addition to some, but not a very significant amount of points for the next draft.

If we’d held on to our first for 12 months we could have either:
a) picked Callaghan or
b) traded pick 2 to the highest bidder and likely have gotten a future first and some late picks to cover any points deficit we may have had.

In hindsight it was a poor play. Nobody was expecting us to do so poorly the next year though, so at the time it made some sense. No point in grinding our teeth over it though at this point.

Ok, thanks. We did not expect in anyway to finish 17th.
Bit us hard. Thx Apex and SR36

No point crying now though.

 

[frizzle]

We didn’t have to give up pick 2 12 months early. All it gained us was Reef, who we could have got anyway by that point, 2 delisted players in Poulter and McMahon, and Beau, who we could have likely picked up anyway too, in addition to some, but not a very significant amount of points for the next draft.

If we’d held on to our first for 12 months we could have either:
a) picked Callaghan or
b) traded pick 2 to the highest bidder and likely have gotten a future first and some late picks to cover any points deficit we may have had.

In hindsight it was a poor play. Nobody was expecting us to do so poorly the next year though, so at the time it made some sense. No point in grinding our teeth over it though at this point.

It was an obvious strategy to hang on to that pick for as long as possible. Not sure if it was Hine or Ned Guy’s call to trade it so early, but it was yet another shocking call. Pretty happy Wright is now calling those shots.

 

[Bianconeri]

God damn people are being harsh on AJ after one bad game where almost literally everyone played poorly

I'd be disappointed if we lost him

AJ picks the wrong time to have a bad game, has on last game of the season so that all that gets talked about in the off season then has one before the bye so that’s what gets talked about for bye week.

 

[Fat Jesus]

AJ licks the wrong time to have a bad game, has on last game of the season so that all that gets talked about in the off season then has one before the bye so that’s what gets talked about for bye week.

Plenty of friends.

 

[Bianconeri]

We didn’t have to give up pick 2 12 months early. All it gained us was Reef, who we could have got anyway by that point, 2 delisted players in Poulter and McMahon, and Beau, who we could have likely picked up anyway too, in addition to some, but not a very significant amount of points for the next draft.

If we’d held on to our first for 12 months we could have either:
a) picked Callaghan or
b) traded pick 2 to the highest bidder and likely have gotten a future first and some late picks to cover any points deficit we may have had.

In hindsight it was a poor play. Nobody was expecting us to do so poorly the next year though, so at the time it made some sense. No point in grinding our teeth over it though at this point.

I was

 

[Scodog10]

Dunno mate as I'm no expert. We needed points and we ended up with Draper and Harrison.
If Nick was nominated straight away it wouldn't have been possible.
Someone like Scodog10 can school me on what actually happened.
we had to do it. Give up pick 2

Sorry mate can’t help on this one. I was on board until the talent ID fell off a cliff because a dollar today is always worth more than a dollar tomorrow. My learning was that you don’t trade into a compromised draft. The only modicum of respect we drew from the ashes of that deal was that in a convoluted way we wound up with the pick that landed us McReery.

We should have held the pick into the 2021 draft and only moved it if a bid was placed on Nick by North. My two cents is they’d have passed him over because they loved JHF. I think we’d have then bid on Darcy and maybe even Campbell then taken Callaghan. Just need to learn from it and move on

 

[KinderSmock]

Macrae is also under contract until the end of 2024.

I know. But it's better for us to get games into him now than lose him.

 

[KinderSmock]

I was

You thought we'd fall from the second week of finals to second last?

Even if we didn't play in September, Pick 6 or 7 for what we got wasn't such a bad deal in terms of points. We made a gamble. It lost. And the rest of the competition sees it as a wake up call.

 

[Bianconeri]

You thought we'd fall from the second week of finals to second last?

Yes

Even if we didn't play in September, Pick 6 or 7 for what we got wasn't such a bad deal in terms of points. We made a gamble. It lost. And the rest of the competition sees it as a wake up call.

It was a terrible deal and it wasn’t a gamble it was a last ditch effort from a FD that was on it’s away out to earn some last minute goodwill after collectively getting their pants pulled down in the off season.

 

[Jen2310]

PIES START TALKS FOR MID-YEAR RECRUIT​

COLLINGWOOD has opened talks on a new deal for uncontracted defender John Noble, as the club looks to reward its former mid-season recruit for his impressive start to the campaign.

The dashing half-back is coming towards the end of the two-year deal he signed after the 2021 season, but it's understood the Pies have kickstarted discussions over a new multi-year extension in recent weeks.

Noble has become a mainstay in coach Craig McRae

Craig Mcrae

Age

51

Ht

176cm

Wt

73kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.9

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

3.9

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.9

4star

G

1.2

4star

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D

16.2

4star

K

10.6

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

1.2

3star

G

1.4

5star

's plans, playing 82 games since he earned his chance on the club's list midway through the 2019 season as a 22-year-old from SANFL side West Adelaide.

It's the most games of any player picked up in a mid-season draft, emerging alongside Richmond's Marlion Pickett

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Marlion Pickett

Age

33

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

5.5

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

1.5

4star

D

11.7

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

5.0

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

3.6

4star

CL

1.3

4star

D

12.8

4star

K

7.2

3star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.6

4star

, Hawthorn's Jai Newcombe and Essendon's Sam Durham as the biggest success stories from a mid-year intake.

Noble remains Collingwood's biggest contract priority in the back half of the season, with the Pies also hopeful of still locking away fellow mid-year draftee Ash Johnson to a long-term extension amid some rival interest.

Dog eyes new deal, uncontracted Swan in talks, Dons sharpen focus

Check out all the latest trade news from around the League

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[ElliottsMaggies]

I know. But it's better for us to get games into him now than lose him.

We are trying to win a premiership this year. We're not in a rebuild giving opportunities to the young kids. If & when he's ready to be selected in the seniors, I'm sure he will be. We can't just play someone because they're getting impatient. He's either invested for the long term and sees the bigger picture...or he just wants to play seniors anywhere he can get a game.

 

[KinderSmock]

We are trying to win a premiership this year. We're not in a rebuild giving opportunities to the young kids. If & when he's ready to be selected in the seniors, I'm sure he will be. We can't just play someone because they're getting impatient. He's either invested for the long term and sees the bigger picture...or he just wants to play seniors anywhere he can get a game.

But can you really say he's worse than some taking to the field? He's the best VFL player, week in, week out. At this stage, I'd select him as the tactical sub, throw him on for a half of footy.

 

[stormskye]

But can you really say he's worse than some taking to the field? He's the best VFL player, week in, week out. At this stage, I'd select him as the tactical sub, throw him on for a half of footy.

I’m a supporter of macrae but we are here to win a flag, not play kids. It’s well documented his spot is limited, he’s solely an inside mid, not quick, good in an under and an extractor. His spot is basically Mitchell’s, maybe adams as I’ve seen finn be quite good at stoppages inside 50. As a sub he’s not ideal as his role is very one sided. I hope we don’t lose him but him not getting a chance is a sign of a strong list

 

[Jen2310]

Hopefully Fin sticks with us, as he is just one injury to adams/mitchell away from playing, and he would have to realise these blokes are 30 and not getting any younger. His time will come.

 

[Apex36]

But can you really say he's worse than some taking to the field? He's the best VFL player, week in, week out. At this stage, I'd select him as the tactical sub, throw him on for a half of footy.

This shouldn’t even be a concern. He’s contracted, so unless another club comes to the table with a favourable deal, we keep him.
I’m certain that Fly and co have been reinforcing to him that he is a big part of our future plans. He’ll know his time will come sooner rather than later.

 

[Jen2310]

This shouldn’t even be a concern. He’s contracted, so unless another club comes to the table with a favourable deal, we keep him.
I’m certain that Fly and co have been reinforcing to him that he is a big part of our future plans. He’ll know his time will come sooner rather than later.

And unless a club says, you can be a best 22 player from day 1 (unlikely) I can't see clubs going after a contract player with limited games to his belt.
They wouldn't want to give up much, so we'll be like... Okay, we'll keep him then.
GC did this with Sharp last year, freo didn't give what they wanted, and he was contracted, and so they kept him

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

But can you really say he's worse than some taking to the field? He's the best VFL player, week in, week out. At this stage, I'd select him as the tactical sub, throw him on for a half of footy.

He's a midfielder. And yes, I'd definitely say he's not as good as our midfielders taking the field each week. And that's why he's not being selected or replacing any of them.

And what does he provide from a tactical perspective? He's one dimensional. He's not known for his goal scoring. He can't play multiple positions. He's not explosive.

Agreed, yes, he collects lots of possessions in the 2's on a regular basis.

 

[Bianconeri]

Hopefully Fin sticks with us, as he is just one injury to adams/mitchell away from playing, and he would have to realise these blokes are 30 and not getting any younger. His time will come.

Adams was suspended for match yet Macrae didn’t come in whilst we’ve also had other midfield injuries /suspensions so I’m not convinced he’s one injury away.

 

[KinderSmock]

He's a midfielder. And yes, I'd definitely say he's not as good as our midfielders taking the field each week. And that's why he's not being selected or replacing any of them.

And what does he provide from a tactical perspective? He's one dimensional. He's not known for his goal scoring. He can't play multiple positions. He's not explosive.

Agreed, yes, he collects lots of possessions in the 2's on a regular basis.

I'd disagree he's not known for goal scoring. He normally contributes one to the score. Crafty player inside 50, too.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

I'd disagree he's not known for goal scoring. He normally contributes one to the score. Crafty player inside 50, too.

Obviously the selectors and coaches don't think he's currently up to it & has stuff to work on before he's ready for the seniors.